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dajabr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 04:26 PM
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A Progressive Democrat Can Win (The Progressive)
Leave it to the wingtips at the Democratic Leadership Council to bemoan the suddenly vibrant progressives within the party.

You remember the DLC, don't you? These are the guys who stomped on welfare and promoted the death penalty.

Now Adam Nagourney of The New York Times might call them a "moderate Democratic group," but I call them Republicans in a very thin Democratic coat.

They still brag about bringing Bill Clinton to the White House, and today they are in a snit over the fact that all the energy among Democrats is on the progressive side.

Even Joe Lieberman, a DLC stalwart if ever there was one, chose not to show up at the DLC's conference on Monday. No one wanted to be tagged as yesterday's Democrat.

--snip--

Or maybe he's talking about the activists, many of them on-line, who have helped Dean raise so much money.

But I wouldn't call any of those "the far left," nor would I equate them with the "far right" in the Bush Administration, as Bayh did.

They are actually standing up for what Democrats are supposed to stand up for: peace, jobs, health care, the environment, and civil liberties.


More: http://www.progressive.org/webex03/wx073003.html
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 04:29 PM
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1. Wow...a progressive group/magazine thinks a progressive win?
That's about as surprising as the DLC thinking a moderate can win. Or a senator from vermont endorsing Dean or a senator from Mass. endorsing John Kerry.

Will wonders never cease.
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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 04:31 PM
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2. Yep a candidate named
Gore, Al Gore!
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whoYaCallinAlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 04:33 PM
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3. I second that nomination!
Gore, Gore, Gore . . .
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 05:50 PM
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4. The three factors
check out this part of the article:


First, Iraq is sounding more and more like Vietnam every day. On July 29, Paul Wolfowitz was echoing Richard Nixon. "We don't need more American troops," he told Congress. "What we need most of all are Iraqis fighting with us." But just as Nixon's Vietnamization program failed, so too will Wolfowitz's effort to get Iraqis to do Washington's fighting for it.

Even Anthony Cordesman of the Center for Strategic and International Studies has warned that "the United States may end up fighting a third Gulf War," this time "against the Iraqi people." The occupation and the guerrilla war will be a continual drag on Bush's popularity, as it takes its toll in U.S. lives and treasure.

Second, Bush's lies that preceded the Iraq War will continue to haunt him, chipping away at his credibility and "nice guy" image. A lot of people voted for Bush because they liked him more than Gore, and they were sick of Clinton's slipperiness. As Bush appears slippery in his own right, he is losing support.

Third, the economy is a huge albatross around Bush's neck. This is the primary issue on voters' minds, according to every poll. And there is a great deal of unease about Bush's leadership on this issue, with unemployment at 6.4 percent.


2004 is our year! GO DEMS!
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 08:52 PM
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5. Kucinich will take the country by storm if he wins the nomination
Kucinich's main problem will be getting the nomination. A tremendous amount of his support comes from independents, diissatisfied Republicans, Greens, Peace and Freedomers and others who think the Democratic Party has become too conservative. The major parties have dropped in membership and these individuals are the ones who will determine the 2004 winner. Let's not throw away the Presdiency by nominating a conservative.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 09:34 PM
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6. I agree.
Read DK's 10 points:

http://kucinich.us/issues/issue_10key.htm

Now compare them to GWB...no contest. Not for the left or the center. All the voters will have had 4 years to discover what's really behind everything * has to say. Kucinich will get enthusiastic support from all but the right-wing nutjobs.

I think if we can get people to pay attention to his record and his plans, and can overcome the media brownout, DK can take the nomination. We need a media blitz; letters to the editor, calls in to radio and tv, letters to all of the reporters and their bosses that are currently sweeping him under the rug. When the people get to know him, they'll support him.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 09:38 PM
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7. The Special Ks are REAL progressives....
With LONG records of sticking up for Progressive values.

Kerry and Kucinich.
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 01:30 AM
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9. I like Kerry and Kucinich too
but "Special K" is a drug reference. Maybe not a good choice. How about the K-Men?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 09:53 AM
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10. It's a nutritious breakfast first and foremost.
Definitely not Sugar Pops.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 01:21 AM
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8. Dennis is that progressive
Thanks for posting this.
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 10:45 AM
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11. Amen
"They are actually standing up for what Democrats are supposed to stand up for: peace, jobs, health care, the environment, and civil liberties."

Yes.

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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 01:05 PM
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12. Dennis gets the "Reagan Republican" vote in his district
He's not only the best candidate, he's the one who translates the best across all the spectrum, because as a "conviction politician" he gets the votes of people who vote for him because he's honest and determined, even when they don't agree with him on some of his positions.

Read why Dennis is the most "electable" candidate:

http://www.kucinich.us/electable.htm

Be a menace for Dennis!

Dan Brown
Saint Paul, Minnesota
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CookieD Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 08:47 PM
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13. Progressives Trail in Online Poll
Sad but true. Here is the link:

http://www.democrats.us/beta/forum/view_forum.php?id=10

The website hosting the poll is www.democrats.us I voted in the poll and discovered that Lieberman was pulling away.
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