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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 11:21 AM Original message |
On anniversary of weapons ban, Kerry takes aim at Dean |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
1. Interesting Quote |
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NewYorkerfromMass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 12:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. That line jumped right out at me too. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 05:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
125. dupe |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 05:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
126. If the media was doing its job, less people would support Dean. |
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molly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-03 09:13 AM Response to Reply #126 |
131. I want to know why he sealed his records? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-03 07:45 PM Response to Reply #131 |
137. Same reason many Governors have... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
3. 51% support stricter gun laws |
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madddog (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:38 PM Response to Reply #3 |
74. What do you figure the results would be if they asked this instead: |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
4. I think Kerry's wrong |
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NewYorkerfromMass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 12:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I agree |
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madddog (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 01:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. can anyone here define an "assault weapon"? |
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madddog (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 01:10 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. and the AWB is a PERFECT Example of That! |
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cindyw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 01:07 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. I would rather Kerry speak highly of people's potential, |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 02:27 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. No, they'll be called lemmings in private... |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 04:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
123. I, too, want a candidate who sees the potential in American intellect |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
6. Kerry misfires again |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 01:06 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Didn't also cover semiautomatic rifles? |
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madddog (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 01:17 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Don't tell the sheeple that! |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 02:03 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Those are guns of choice |
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madddog (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 02:47 PM Response to Reply #13 |
25. guns of choice? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:02 PM Response to Reply #25 |
42. Support the right laws |
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madddog (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:31 PM Response to Reply #42 |
65. not so |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:47 PM Response to Reply #65 |
86. YOU get to decide |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 02:28 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. Personally, I don't know any sheeple... |
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madddog (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 02:48 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. look around you |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 02:55 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. If people are that dumb, why can't John Kerry win them over? |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 02:57 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. When is the election again? |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 02:58 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. After injecting personal money in the millions, changing campaign |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:18 PM Response to Reply #38 |
53. When is the election again? It's actually over, right? |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:19 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Nope, not since John Kerry is working on buying it... (n/t) |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:31 PM Response to Reply #54 |
64. In other words your sweeping statements |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:36 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. Yep, I'm going to Iowa because I think it's in the bag... |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:38 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Bye! So long! Have a good trip! Don't let the door hit you on the way out! |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:44 PM Response to Reply #73 |
80. Perfect "civility" example to prove my point (n/t) |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:46 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. Maybe you should investigate the meaning of the term 'civility' |
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madddog (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 02:59 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. there's |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 02:00 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. NRA endorsement |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 02:03 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Did Vermonters want stricter gun laws? |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 02:21 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Force? |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 02:26 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. This is a very simple description that doesn't fit a complicated world... |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 02:54 PM Response to Reply #15 |
30. So much for Democracy, for allowing people to govern themselves |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:34 PM Response to Reply #30 |
67. Yeah, let's just scrap our system of government, |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:52 PM Response to Reply #67 |
92. Wow, so this isn't a Democratic Republic |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 04:13 PM Response to Reply #92 |
108. The depth of your understanding of our system is truly impressive. |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 04:28 PM Response to Reply #108 |
114. I don't have to understand it, my opinion doesn't matter |
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ModerateMiddle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-03 10:12 AM Response to Reply #15 |
133. Dean statement |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 02:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. That cuts both ways... |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 02:41 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. Slight difference |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 02:24 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. A fucking leader |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 02:52 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. Exactly, a F*cking leader, not a good leader. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 02:56 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. Oh, just do what your constituents want? |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:11 PM Response to Reply #34 |
46. Fascinating |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:20 PM Response to Reply #46 |
55. Which way do you want it? |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:22 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. ROFL |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:14 PM Response to Reply #34 |
50. I can't let this go... 51% want gun control |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:25 PM Response to Reply #50 |
59. A have a book suggestion for you.From a man who knew what leadership meant |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:28 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Kennedy still represented the majority will |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:35 PM Response to Reply #61 |
69. Have you read Profiles in Courage? |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:37 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. And I'm still looking for Kerry's courage as a legislator and leader in |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:43 PM Response to Reply #72 |
79. I'll take that as a 'No'. |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:47 PM Response to Reply #79 |
87. I think you were responding to Luminous... |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:54 PM Response to Reply #79 |
95. Interestingly enough, knowledge of this one book is KEY to this debate |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 04:00 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. I'm glad you can speak with such authority about a book you haven't read |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 04:02 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. I'm not the one who said a person who hasn't read it wasn't educated |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 04:10 PM Response to Reply #102 |
107. Except I didn't say that, did I? lol |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 04:30 PM Response to Reply #107 |
117. You aren't being criticized for saying it is a good book |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 04:52 PM Response to Reply #117 |
121. Well I guess if you ever read it |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 04:56 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. Within the context of this discussion |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-03 03:11 AM Response to Reply #122 |
129. I meant what I said |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-03 01:02 PM Response to Reply #129 |
135. That doesn't offend me |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-03 07:51 PM Response to Reply #72 |
138. You've GOT to be kidding. BCCI, IranContra ring a bell? |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:48 PM Response to Reply #69 |
89. I have not |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:51 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. Well, |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:53 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. I'll choose the latter, you just told me that I am to be ruled by |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:29 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Yep, it is... |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:34 PM Response to Reply #59 |
68. From the foreword... |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:45 PM Response to Reply #68 |
82. Dean followed the polls. |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:48 PM Response to Reply #82 |
88. The polls that showed public support for Bush? (n/t) |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 04:02 PM Response to Reply #88 |
101. "in December--the tactical benefits of Dean's shift were clear" |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:30 PM Response to Reply #50 |
63. It's about leadership |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:33 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Again, I'm laughing hard |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:40 PM Response to Reply #63 |
77. Come back to me with Kerry's guts on Iraq |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:49 PM Response to Reply #77 |
90. Come back to me with Dean's integrity. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:58 PM Response to Reply #77 |
97. Total guts, on all of it |
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Pez (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-03 01:24 AM Response to Reply #50 |
128. dean has dean's best interests in mind, that is all, thank you. |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:17 PM Response to Reply #34 |
51. And.. The war was wrong because it was based on lies. |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:20 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. They don't want to see these flaws in arguments... (n/t) |
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madddog (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 02:55 PM Response to Reply #12 |
31. this is probably hard to follow |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:40 PM Response to Reply #31 |
76. Conceal and carry laws |
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madddog (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:53 PM Response to Reply #76 |
94. it's not "spun" |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 04:08 PM Response to Reply #94 |
106. What were the laws before? |
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ModerateMiddle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-03 10:09 AM Response to Reply #6 |
132. no, he had an opportunity to specify |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
18. What an incredibly violent title to this thread! |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 02:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. It's the title of the article |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 02:40 PM Response to Reply #22 |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 02:52 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Dish it out, can't take it |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 02:54 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. I thought it was a viable question... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:03 PM Response to Reply #29 |
44. If you clicked and read |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:11 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. This "Deanie" spends his day reading... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:22 PM Response to Reply #47 |
58. Thank you |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 02:55 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. Your comment was 'off-target' and that's all she pointed out. |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 02:56 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Yep, and the personal attacks and profanity... |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 02:58 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Thank you, thread nanny. |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 02:59 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. It's fine with me if you wallow in name-calling, disrespecting people, |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 04:15 PM Response to Reply #40 |
109. How long are you going to keep telling us you are leaving? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-03 09:04 AM Response to Reply #37 |
130. Deleted message |
madddog (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:02 PM Response to Reply #18 |
43. jeesh... |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:04 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. No, I was more upset with terms like "sheeple" and slams against |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:13 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. 40 minutes |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:14 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. I admitted to making a mistake twice in this thread... |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:18 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Mistakes seem to be met with overarching insults... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:25 PM Response to Reply #52 |
60. What goes around... |
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helleborient (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:39 PM Response to Reply #60 |
75. Yep, nothing will be done here by anyone... |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
41. Dean has no choice about federal laws |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
71. Any evidence of guns going from Vermont to other places to commit crimes? |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:41 PM Response to Reply #71 |
78. "Vt dealers have sold many guns ... traced to crimes elsewhere" |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:47 PM Response to Reply #78 |
85. Over 7 years, 2 homicides traced back to Vermont guns |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 04:04 PM Response to Reply #85 |
104. You asked for evidence, and you got it. |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 04:25 PM Response to Reply #104 |
112. Oh please "belittle the deaths" of people? |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 04:36 PM Response to Reply #104 |
120. Now, now, I'm not belittling |
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madddog (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 04:22 PM Response to Reply #85 |
111. it wouldn't |
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madddog (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 04:30 PM Response to Reply #78 |
116. does it say |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:44 PM Response to Reply #71 |
81. Vermont Gun Laws |
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madddog (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:59 PM Response to Reply #81 |
98. that's |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 04:03 PM Response to Reply #98 |
103. It is part of Gun Control Act of 1968 I believe |
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madddog (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:46 PM Response to Reply #71 |
83. Well |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 03:57 PM Response to Reply #71 |
96. Which state has the strictest gun laws? |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 04:01 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. Massachusetts... as I just found out, has the strictest gun laws |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 04:20 PM Response to Reply #100 |
110. Is it zero? |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 04:27 PM Response to Reply #110 |
113. I'll accept the first answer, I just realized it was too broad |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 05:05 PM Response to Reply #100 |
124. Doesn't support my case, but is still interesting |
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madddog (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 04:06 PM Response to Reply #96 |
105. Well, |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 04:29 PM Response to Reply #71 |
115. You have to have laws first |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 04:31 PM Response to Reply #115 |
118. Vermont keeps records for up to six years |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 06:17 PM Response to Reply #118 |
127. No prosecutions |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-03 01:00 PM Response to Reply #127 |
134. So where do all the gun statistics come from? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-03 08:00 PM Response to Reply #134 |
139. Reported crime |
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madddog (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-18-03 04:34 PM Response to Reply #115 |
119. I think there is a Federal form that is filed with ATF |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-03 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
136. Kerry would make an excellent president but he will lose because he |
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polpilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-03 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
140. Kerry hits pheasants...misses Dean!! |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-19-03 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
141. kick |
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