Question for non-Dean supporters.

[Skwmom]

Is there anyway we could fund an infomercial to expose the real Howard Dean to the voting public before people head to the polls in the primaries? Better to expose him now then to wait for Rove to expose him in the general election when it will be too late to do anything.

[Closer]

1. FLAME BAIT

A pathetic one too

[Cha]

Just How Pathetic is that?

Is there an Dean Hater's anonymous? where the obsession is so strong ya can't do anything else?

[LuminousX]

2. Good idea

Really wouldn't cost that much money. First step is to contact an ad agency so it doesn't look like a Public Access Show. You could organize through the internet, even distribute the video through the internet using p2p at the very least. Get volunteers to set up tv's and vcr's in public venues, cut the video to DVD, etc.

[wyldwolf]

3. I don't assume Dean is a lock for the nomination...

... and if there is more dirt on him, I'm sure Gephardt will let us know.

[boxster]

32. I agree, and I'm not sure why so many people think he IS a lock.

National polls are within the margin of error and many have 30+% undecideds. Certainly doesn't sound like a lock to me.

[paulk]

38. He is taken seriously by national pundits

because of the amount of money he's raised. Usually the candidate who raises the most money wins the nomination.

Because most of Dean's money has been raised outside normal channels, it's hard to say if that will hold true this time around. The traditional Dem. money hasn't really weighed in yet. They may be waiting to see if Dean can maintain his momentum or if a single challenger emerges from the rest of the pack.

[Closer]

4. Hey I got a good idea

Why not put that effort to let the public better know about YOUR candidate? Or are you afraid that wouldn't work?

[JohnKleeb]

6. Thats been my plan from the gitko

[LuminousX]

8. Obviously it is more important

to defeat Dean than get someone else to win.

[JohnKleeb]

5. I dont know

but I want there to be a way to show that my candiate has a great vision for America like infomerical.

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[michaelbmoore]

9. Okay, I have to admit

That was well done.:toast:

[Cha]

11. It was Very Well Queried!

:toast:

[Skwmom]

13. I'm trying to get the truth out by doing an end run around the Rove

machine. Since the whore media is determine to prop up the flim flam man I think it is our civic duty to get the truth out there.

[LuminousX]

15. Please don't delude yourself

I support the effort, but don't delude yourself that you are doing an 'end run.' You are trying to defeat an opponent. Your desire to defeat Dean is greater than your desire to promote someone else. I'm all about good tactics, but not self-delusion.

If Kerry, Gephardt, Edwards, Lierberman, Kucinich can't effectively accomplish what you are trying to do with their vast sums of money, then all this is is a negative campaign ad with the goal of sabotaging one candidate over all the rest.

[Skwmom]

17. I'm not talking about a negative campaign ad.

I'm talking about presenting the other side of a case - the side that most people don't get to hear. If the press was doing its job we wouldn't be forced to go this route.

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[Democrats unite]

10. I don't care for Dean but...

I would never want someone to pull dirty tricks on any of our candidates, including Dean.

[Skwmom]

12. How is telling the truth a dirty trick?

Doesn't the voting public deserve the truth?

[LuminousX]

14. Dune Reference: Whose truth? Modified in what way?

[Skwmom]

16. Put the "facts" out there and let the people make up there own mind.

There are a lot of facts about Dean that I believe when exposed to the light of day would make voters think twice. Dean has gotten tons of free bias corporate press to build him, doesn't the other side deserve to be heard?

In addition, Dean is selling his electability. Don't people deserve to hear the other side of the argument?

[LuminousX]

18. Sure... Why aren't his opponents doing it?

[Skwmom]

20. I'm not talking about a smear campaign like Dean does to his

opponents, I'm talking about giving people an opportunity to hear the other side of the argument.

[LuminousX]

21. You just lost me.

[Skwmom]

22. Let me try to make myself clear.

For example, let's take the issue of electability. Dean's supporters are sending letters that include comments from the GOP strategists to show the reader how "scared" the GOP is of Dean. TNR (I believe) had a good article which said hey wait a minute, this might mean exactly the opposite. Put both arguments out there and let people make up their own mind.

[LuminousX]

23. No, I meant count me out. Your 'Dean smears' comment lost me

[Skwmom]

29. Sorry but Dean has unfairly smeared more than one candidate.

Maybe you think this is okay - it's just politics as usual. I personally find it to be very disgusting and now realize why so many people tune out the political process.

[genius]

34. You haven't heard all the lies Dean's told about the other candidates?

Dean's been lying about who's anti-war. The unelectability lie is one of the worst smears. Look at what Dean's been putting out about the other candidates. Open your eyes.

[NWHarkness]

25. So, I guess you are just smarter than everyone else

Since you know "both sides" of the issues concerning Dean, but no one else does.

[genius]

33. Exactly. The worst thing is for the public to base their votes on lies.

It's better if they discover the truth before the primaries so that they can have an informed vote. It used to be the Republicans who were opposed to the truth. Now the Dean Democrats seem to be afraid of the truth. Why are the Dean people so afraid of the truth?

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[Skwmom]

28. What is sickening about wanting to inform the voters before

they go into the voting booth? I'm sick and tired of politics by deception and want to get the truth out there. Since we can't trust the media to do it's job, there has to be a way to go around them.

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[genius]

31. It is a geniuine question to concerned Democrats.

People need to communicate. If you don't like the tread, don't read it. But a great many people feel Dean will be the end of the Democratic Party if he gets the nomination.

[genius]

30. Excellent suggestion.

The TV stations want Dean because Bush wants Dean and because Dean is for big business. So they might try to block the infomercial. Even if it doesn't reach that many people, the existance of the infomercial might get some coverage. I don't know about the funding. There are producers, stars and others backing the other candidates. Maybe they would be willing to chip some money into an fund to educate the public.

[Skwmom]

35. We could distribute DVD and video copies. Plus put it on the net.

What about film students? They may be interested in getting the truth out.

[genius]

36. That might work.

It is in the interest of all the other candidates to get the truth out. So perhaps supporters of the honest elections could form some kind of coalition. I doubt that the candidates would get personally involved as they have to focus on their own campaigns. But the supporters and film students could get together and create a video that could turn this into an honest election.

Years ago I saw a film called "Coverup: Behind the Iran-Contra Scandal" that was put together by film students in what was called "The Empowerment Project." Daniel Sheehan was an advisor to the project. The only problem was that not enough people saw it before the 88 election and Bush Sr. won anyway. But we didn't have the Internet then.

[Punkingal]

37. Locking....

flamebait.

punkingal, DU moderator