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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 05:09 PM
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Where are all the pro-Dean threads?
Where are all the pro-Dean threads? I see a lot of Dean supporters in the Kerry threads, attacking Kerry, but I don't see many positive things about Dean posted. Come on folks, let's hear something GOOD about YOUR GUY!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 05:21 PM
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1. STOP!
That is enough. The Dean supporters seldom start the threads. This is getting old and out of control.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 05:28 PM
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2. That what I'm asking - why don't they start pro-Dean threads?
That what I'm asking - why don't they start pro-Dean threads?
Instead of just attacking Kerry? I don't get it. Do they have nothing positive to tell us about Dean, or what?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 05:30 PM
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3. Because they turn into bashing threads.
n/t
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 05:36 PM
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4. Well, I would like to hear something good about Dean anyway.
Well, I would like to hear something good about Dean anyway. Anyone starting a pro-any-candidate thread realizes that it is going to attract hecklers along with the discussion. But that is politics. It doesn't stop the pro-Kerry folks from starting pro-Kerry threads (or the Dean folks from starting anti-Kerry threads, btw).

The fact is, you don't attract voters to your candidate by attacking the opposition, all you do is discourage the opposition. To attract voters you need to talk about the positive qualites of your own candidate. I'm still waiting to see that from the Dean folks.
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 05:41 PM
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5. Um.... wasn't it you who posted yesterday
that there were too many happy Dean threads? Yeah that's what I thought.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 05:42 PM
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6. No, it wasn't
No, it wasn't. You are mistaken. Show us a link.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 05:45 PM
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7. Your not serious are you?
There have been a ton of pro dean threads. Just go back a few pages.

I personally could spam this forum with pro dean threads easily but I dont feel it necesary. Dean speaks for himself and the attempts of threads bashing him allways get debunked with plenty of positive info on him. The single most positive Dean thread there is can be found at http://www.blogforamerica.com its ongoing and has more information than anyone could possibly ask for concerning Dean.

Maybe one of the reasons we dont feel a need to post time after time on his positives is because it is so well laid out by the campaign itself on his own webpages. He has laid himself open with solid stances on any number of topics on his site and invites you to peruse his statements and apearences at your leisure. More than any other candidate in this race to date Dean has made information on himself available to all.Including information for debunking the fool we curently have in office. His campaign more than any other has worked to give us the tools to stand up for what is right in this country including the ability to stand against what is wrong.

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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 05:49 PM
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9. Yeah, I'm serious.
Yeah, I'm serious. I think if Dean supporters spent one tenth of the energy promoting their own candidate as they do attacking the others, we would have a much more constructive dialog.

Not neccesary to promote your candidate? Are YOU really serious? lol
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 05:54 PM
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10. You're completely disengenuos .
there are two positive dean posts here right on this page. Do i need to bump the many others for you? Or will you just continue your waaa leave my candidate alone BS?
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 06:05 PM
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15. If you are going to insult someone, you should at least spell it right
If you are going to insult someone, you should at least spell it right lol.

I mean what I say and I say what I mean. If the only way you can attack me is by characterizing my statements as 'waaa leave my candidate alone BS' - let me just point out that I did not ask anyone to leave anyone alone. I asked for positive threads about Dean.

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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 06:08 PM
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16. Maybe if you bothered to look
I wouldnt have called you on your BS.

Far as the spelling goes get used to it if you are going to read any of my posts i am a horrible speller. Have been my whole life. Spelling nazis like you arent about to change that.

I see you have nothing to say about how easy it was for me to bump just a couple of the many positive dean threads!
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 06:11 PM
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17. You want me to fight but I'm not about fighting
You want me to fight but I'm not about fighting Dems - I'm about building up the positives of ALL our candidates so we can win in 2004.

United for America - GO DEMS!
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 06:18 PM
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18. Garbage!
Edited on Tue Jul-29-03 06:28 PM by Egnever
your post was pure flame bait and completely dishonest. You are trying to spread divisiveness not promote togetherness. Now even more positive dean threads are moved to the forefrunt for you are you willing to admit your deciet or will you continue to try to pretend you just couldnt find the positive dean threads?
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 07:21 PM
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21. you reveal yourself with your vitriol
n/t
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 06:02 PM
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13. there you go that took me two minns
To bump just a few of the many positive dean threads and I only had to go to the second page!

Way to spin like a top though there buddy!
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 06:35 PM
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19. Is this an anti-Dean thread in disguise...
I rarely cruise this forum, sticking to GD and LBN, but there are consistently pro-Dean threads which is how I keep up with the campaign. I have little patience for blogging stuff, so I let others to decipher.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 06:55 PM
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20. Yes, that is what I have been saying. Groups are coming to DU and doing it
Yes, yes, that is what is going on. This is a bait thread for sure.

It is getting stupid and out of control. There ought to be a moratorium on these things, and they are pretty obvious.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 07:26 PM
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22. You can claim that when I say 'white' it means 'black' but
You can claim that when I say 'white' it means 'black' but when I say 'white' it means 'white'.

Somehow you have taken my post in which I asked for positive comments about Dean, and construed it as an attack. I don't pretend to understand your reasoning.
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 07:29 PM
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23. And have responded to none of them
Several people in this thread have posted various positives about Dean, only for them to be ignored by the one who'd asked for them. Hmmm.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 07:38 PM
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26. I'm not ignoring anything.
I'm not ignoring anything. I asked for positive comments so I could read them, and learn. Not so I could respond with some knee-jerk negative comment in return. Not for some ulterior motive, whatever you may think.

It's called having an open mind.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 05:49 PM
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8. Something Nice Regarding Howard Dean
I was lucky enough to meet Howard Dean. He is a terrific man and very impressive. He is running an amazing campaign, using mainly the Internet. His donations are coming from thousands of people from everywhere vs big donations from a selected few.

He has lots to learn, but I think he is a fast learner. I think he has a good judgement of charachter and will hire bright people ie: Joe Trippi.

He is ALWAYS the first to make a statement on daily issues. He speaks for me.


But in the mean time, I am for Dean. I will vote for Kerry, should he win the nomnation, but his "yes" votes on Invasion of Iraq, & The US Patriot Act., don't sit well with me.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 06:04 PM
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14. I'm happy for you that you were "able to meet Dean" personally...
I hope to someday! In the meantime I will continue to support him over the internet and continually learn more from him!

Thanks for your observation! :kick:
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 05:55 PM
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11. Ok, here goes
Dean is a doctor, and this plays well with the public. Superficial? You bet. But our electorate is extremely superficial. Think Edwards and his good looks.

Dean is a doctor in favor of a form of universal health care. Is Gephardt's more comprehensive? Probably. But he doesn't have the gravitas that Dean will have as an MD advocating for health care issues. One of the biggest lobbies against a universal system is the doctors, so this will be important.

Dean is against most gun control measures. This may or may not be a positive point for you. It is for me, since I can't understand why liberals would want to give the gov't the right to tell me what I can and can not own. Gun control laws merely regulate the possession of the gun, while criminal laws regulate the use of that weapon (and any other such as a knife, baseball bat, etc.). AFAIC, that is the same as the gov't tellingme what substances I can and can not ingest.

Dean is against most gun control measures. Our single biggest albatros in Southern, Western and rural areas has been the gun grabber label. Yes, the NRA would still endorse Shrub. But they can't deny the A rating they've given him in the past, so Dean could neutralize that issue for the most part.

Dean is in favor of a balanced budget in most but not all situations. This is called fiscal responsibility, NOT fiscal conservatism. (there is a difference) When a country carries a high debt load, there is more money going to pay the interest on the debt, less money for social services, and less flexibility for discretionary spending. A high debt disparately impacts the poor and middle class of the country. It leads to higher interest rates with potentially deflationary tendencies. The repubs have realized that if they can bankrupt the country, they can finally eliminate the social services programs the left so dearly cherishes. Fiscal responsibility is an excellent platform for the left to embrace.

Dean has incredible fundraising abilities. Over $500,000 in 3 days.

Dean has brought a number of people to the table who have never participated in the political process before, or who barely did so. He has a very energetic following who can provide the ground support necessary for any well run campaign.

Now, I gave a mix of position statements and what I will call the intangibles. Obviously the intangibles are just my opinion, so take them for what you will. Dean isn't perfect, and I'd never claim that he is. He is in favor of the death penalty in some cases, while I am not. I am well aware that he is a moderate left candidate who is far more moderate than I. But I like his fire (yep, another intangible). Hope this helps anyway.
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Duder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 05:56 PM
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12. When you're number one
You don't have to start threads because supporters of other candidates do it for you. You'll notice that half the threads on the page currently are about or relate to Dean.

If you really want some good news though, Dean upstaged Cheney's little fund raiser this week.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 07:32 PM
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25. And may Dean continue to "upstage" all the way to the
White House! :kick:
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