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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 01:38 PM
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Top CA Democrat: Voted For Schwarzenegger
BERKELEY, Calif., Oct. 18 — The California recall election is over, but the political fallout among Democrats is not.

That became clear on Saturday when one of the state's top Democrats, Attorney General Bill Lockyer, told a conference here that he not only understood why so many Californians had voted for Arnold Schwarzenegger, the Republican governor-elect, but also that he had voted for Mr. Schwarzenegger.

Mr. Lockyer, a liberal Democrat who had served 25 years in the State Legislature and had helped lead George S. McGovern's presidential campaign in 1972 in California, said it was the first time he had voted for a Republican in a partisan election.

"I am tired of transactional, cynical, deal-making politics," Mr. Lockyer said. "I want to see principled leadership. And yes, he may be naïve about that. But you know what? It is real."
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/19/national/19CALI.html?ex=1067140800&en=c22261cddc8dd2e4&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE">Reference Link - New York Times

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This sickens me but I also see it as one of our problems as a party. We honestly keep buying into the opposition's rhetoric. We let them control the image, style, and substance and only react to it. Why haven't we taken a principled stand against the Confederate Flag? It would cost us votes in the short run but we would win in the long run. Why aren't we picking the issues that get debated? Yes, getting the ear of the media is part of the problem, but that can be changed too. Turn off Fox. Turn off Right Wing radio. Demand local stations carry alternative progressive voices. Don't threaten boycotts, just turn off the station.

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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 01:41 PM
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1. I hope that he gets a primary challenge in 2006
nt
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JackSwift Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 01:49 PM
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4. Lockyer is termed out as AG
and is undoubtedly positioning himself for the run for governor. At least he didn't come out against Davis during the campaign. He has despised Davis for years (as have I).
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 01:52 PM
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6. Who Didn't Despise Davis?
As Jon Steward said, that is the problem, on one hand, Davis is right, on the other hand, Davis is a dick.

Lockyer's loyalty isn't to the Democratic party. In fact, does anyone have loyalty to the Democratic party?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 01:44 PM
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2. Principle? From Arnold?
This man is too stupid to tie his shoes, let alone serve the public.
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 05:05 PM
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12. Don't kid yourself
Stupid people don't learn a second language as an adult.

Stupid people don't parlay success in a small cult niche into international film stardom.

He's proven himself to be quite smart, and he has a self-deprecating sense of humor, too, which is a plus.

Knock him for his policies all you like, but don't kid yourself about his intelligence.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 01:45 PM
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3. Not much different from what many here say, unfortunately.
They just can't see that the person pointing the finger at others while touting their own "prinicipled leadership" are usually the most unprincipled politicians at their core.
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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 05:41 PM
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13. Never miss an opportunity do ya
LOL
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GainesT1958 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 01:50 PM
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5. There's no question this guy must be on drugs..
"I am tired of transactional, cynical, deal-making politics," Mr. Lockyer said. "I want to see principled leadership. And yes, he may be naïve about that. But you know what? It is real."

The only question is, "What kind?":eyes:

And he's their AG? That, in itself, is scary. Ahhnold as governator, this idiot as AG. Californians are going to need to vote more than ONE major office-holder out next time! Uh, make that RECALL more than one!

B-)
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1971 Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 01:55 PM
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7. So what?
That he is(?) a liberal Democrat,
has 25 years in State Legislature,
and helped lead McGovern's 1972 CA campaign...

does not necessarily compute that he is intelligent about the consequences of his action of voting for Republican Schwarzenegger to control California.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 01:57 PM
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8. His political career is over!
In 2006, if is's Schwartzenegger vs. Lockyer I'd have to choose the Green Candidate!
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 04:22 PM
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9. no wonder Democrats can't win elections . . .
when even our own elected officials are voting Republican . . . both as individual voters and as members of Congress . . .
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Pez Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 04:39 PM
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10. "I am tired of transactional, cynical, deal-making politics"
AND voted for schwarzenlicksbush?

i... i am totally confused.
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MadMan Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 04:46 PM
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11. Will us Dems learn what the public wants finally?
The public does not like the idea of "bought and paid for" career politicians who pander to special interests that funnel money into their reelection campaigns. Arnold won CA because he was seen as an outsider and more importantly somebody who would not conduct business as usual in Sacramento by trading policy for cash. It used to be a rallying cry for dems... but not so any more. Let's face it... we are as deep into this "business as usual" crap as the 'pukes are.

The only question is will we learn from this and start offering up public celebrity progressives to challenge incumbent repukes or will we just keep scratching our heads asking ourselves how this all came to be? I see the tides turning away from the corruption that we call US Politics and folks, need I remind you that that's a good thing?
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AquariDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 06:20 PM
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14. What the f??!?!!?????
This is a new low. I guess he too has fallen for the media hype. He will not be getting my vote.
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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 06:43 PM
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15. So why didnt he vote GREEN????
Peter Camejo has more principals in his pinkey than Arnold!
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 07:43 PM
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16. Because Camejo "isn't electable", of course
</sarcasm>
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