Dean sets RECORD

[pandatimothy]

-- Presidential hopeful Howard Dean set a new Democratic record by taking in roughly $15 million in the past three months, and on Wednesday hinted at the potential to raise millions more: only 1 percent of his donors have given the maximum so far. .........


http://www.sfexaminer.com/templates/story.cfm?displaystory=1&storyname=101603b_dean

[Feanorcurufinwe]

1. Most blatant lie ever in a Presidential Debate?

"Sen. Bob Packwood (R-Ore.): I've said many times that I think we should raise the retirement age about the year 2015—raise it by that time to about age 70.

"Howard Dean: I am very pleased to hear Bob Packwood because I absolutely agree we need to reduce the—I mean, to increase the retirement age. There will be cuts and losses of some benefits, but I believe that Sen. Packwood is on exactly the right track."
—CNN's Crossfire, Feb. 28, 1995
http://slate.msn.com/id/2086804/

Here we have Dean on the record as supporting raising the retirement age.

Russert: ...calling for that, and this is what Howard Dean said. “The way to balance the budget, Dean said, is for Congress to cut Social Security, move the retirement age to 70, cut defense, Medicare and veterans pensions, while the states cut almost everything else. ‘It would be tough but we could do it,’ he said.”
Dean: Well, we fortunately don’t have to do that now.
Russert: We have a $500 billion deficit.
Dean: But you don’t have to cut Social Security to do that.
Russert: But why did you have to do it back then?
Dean: Well, because that was the middle of—I mean, I don’t recall saying that, but I’m sure I did
--Meet the Press, June 22, 2003
http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/912159.asp

Here we have Dean being reminded, and acknowledging, on national TV on June 22 that he did hold this position.

"I have never favored Social Security retirement at the age of 70, nor do I favor one of 68."
—AFL-CIO Democratic presidential candidate forum, Aug. 5, 2003
http://slate.msn.com/id/2086804/

Here we have Dean denying on national TV on August 5 that he ever held that position.

[pandatimothy]

2. Keep your spinning to yourself

Your not making me dizzy.

GO DEAN!

Dean For America 2004.

[BushGone04]

3. How is that spin?

That looked to me like conflicting statements from Governor Dean, documented with quotes from authoritative sources. That's not spin; that's factual information.

On a side note, congratulations to Governor Dean and his supporters on their fundraising success. To call that impressive would be an understatement.

[juajen]

4. Hey, hey, hey

Truth is not called spinning on DU. He's on the record. It would be much better for your candidate if you took a more tolerant stance. Candidates do change their minds. I think it would be interesting for Dean to explain why he changed his; more particularly, if it's a permanent change, or one that he will re-adopt if elected. Speak up now, we know you're shy.

[AP]

5. new information...changing mind is sign of great character...etc

They already have an answer for this one. It's the same answer they have for everything that Dean changed his mind about when he had his miracle conversion to liberalism in 2000.

[killbotfactory]

6. Congratulations!

Your post has just won the "Most off-topic Dean bashing post of the day" award!

[Cha]

8. Really!

[Cha]

7. "John Kerry is a dishonest, lying politician..."

You want to bring up shit? Okay.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=108&topic_id=61942

<snip>"The Boston Globe's Brian McGrory is stunned at Sen. John Kerry's assertion that if Howard Dean doesn't "stand by his word" on using public matching funds, then he "is unqualified to be president."

"So let's go back to 1996, to Kerry's reelection campaign against then-Governor Bill Weld, specifically to the night Weld met Kerry at the senator's wife's Beacon Hill mansion. They finalized an unprecedented agreement to limit advertising spending to $5 million apiece, and to limit the use of personal funds in the campaign to $500,000 apiece."<snip>

[Feanorcurufinwe]

9. Who is the real hypocrite on campaign finance reform?

The Dean administration has long been opposed to public financing, if not always in words then in actions. In the 2000 elections, Dean had promised to run a clean campaign, but as soon as the spending caps were struck down by the courts, Dean reverted to his old ways. He raised the most money in Vermont gubernatorial history, by promising the health industry, among others, his support. Now he is attacking the existence of public financing for any candidate. He has threatened to raid the public financing fund and hand this state over to corporations who have no allegiance to it.

Tell Dean that you want citizens of Vermont controlling our elections, not his corporate buddies.
http://rutlandherald.com/Archive/Articles/Article/41007

Dean made headlines in March for vowing to attack any candidate that didn't commit to public financing like he was.
http://timesargus.nybor.com/Local/Story/61946.html
Then he made headlines in August for backing off his pledge:
http://www.beaufortgazette.com/24hour/politics/story/969954p-6802617c.html

A big deal? I didn't think so. Dean just miscalculated by claiming the moral high ground in the first place. But then I found out it wasn't the first time he backtracked on such a pledge, he'd done so in an earlier governor's race. http://www.rutlandherald.com/News/Story/70402.html

And going even farther, he tried to remove funding for Vermont's public financing system altogether.

Governor Dean's Plan to Remove Funding

Early on in the 2002 legislative session, Democratic Governor Howard Dean targeted the public financing provision of the law for elimination. VPIRG led the effort to preserve funding for public financing of qualifying candidates. The Governor claimed that the law was not working and therefore should not be funded until a final court decision has been reached. Working with Republicans, Progressives and Democrats, VPIRG was able to keep public financing alive (although hundreds of thousands of dollars were taken for other unrelated uses). http://www.vpirg.org/campaigns/financeReform/cfr_page111.html

So not only has Dean back out of a public financing pledge before, his zeal to balance budgets whatever the social cost led him to seek to defund Vermont's Public Finance Fund indefinately.

In contrast, although John Kerry did take the gloves off to battle Weld, he has never taken PAC money for his Senate campaigns.
Some might argue that perhaps he should have let Weld win. Perhaps.

[w4rma]

10. Start your own threads if you want to spam that crap,Feanorcurufinwe (n/t)

[Feanorcurufinwe]

11. You think I should start a new thread? What should I call it?

Will you write it for me too?

Tell you what -- I'll do what I please, you do what you please.

Dean's expanded plan for campaign fund draws fire

Gov. Howard Dean has proposed extending what was a temporary proposal to redirect public funds to pay for campaigns for the foreseeable future or at least until a court weighs in on the battle over the state’s campaign finance law.

In the new proposal, Dean suggests siphoning all of the funds that would otherwise pay for candidates seeking public financing and putting that money into the General Fund
http://timesargus.com/Legislature/Story/40827.html

Col. Jessep: "You can't handle the truth!"

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