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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 09:56 PM
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A Reminder To People Who Doubt Kerry's Itch For A Real Campaign Dogfight
This is from Joe Klein's New Yorker profile on Kerry. Joe Klein did a similar piece for Clinton in '92 that made him a legitimate contender. He is also the anonymous author of Primary Colors.

The 1996 Senate campaign between John Kerry and William Weld was the rarest of events in latter-day American politics: a civil, closely contested, intelligent, and wildly entertaining brawl. "Both candidates were incredibly popular," the Kerry consultant John Marttila said. "Both had sixty-per-cent favorable ratings, and negatives in the twenties. And they maintained their popularity throughout the race."

Both were Brahmins, but Weld, with a shock of strawberry hair and irony to burn, seemed an honorary Hibernian-once again, Kerry was faced with an opponent bound to be favored by the reportorial romantics at the Boston Globe. "We were both comers," recalls Weld, who had just been reelected governor, with seventy-one per cent of the vote. "We were both at the height of our powers. If I'd won that race, I was going to turn straight around and run for President in 2000. I think he was, too-although I guess he eventually decided that Gore had too big a head start."

The campaign began with a remarkable agreement to limit campaign spending, negotiated face to face by the two candidates in Kerry's Beacon Hill mansion. They also agreed to a series of eight debates, some of which would be Lincoln-Douglas style, with the two candidates questioning each other directly, without a mediator. Weld figured that his issues-crime, welfare reform, and tax cutting-and his charm would see him through, but mostly his charm. "John isn't really a cold person, but he does seem aloof," Weld said recently. "The truth is that he's courtly to the point of gentility. We were pummelling him through August, but his campaign turned on a dime when Bob Shrum was hired as his consultant. It went from flaccid to sharp in a week."

Kerry's aides insist that it was more than Shrum. They say that Kerry was distracted in Washington, that he didn't really focus on the campaign until the Senate recessed. "It wasn't a lack of focus," Kerry says. "It was a strategy. I figured people wouldn't really be paying attention until the fall debates."

The last four debates were fabulous political theatre-two very smart men having at each other. "John's at his best under pressure, when he's being seriously challenged," Paul Nace, an old Navy friend, says. "He gets really cool, very calm. He really is a warrior-he just loves it. I took one look at him as he was walking into Faneuil Hall for one of the last debates and I thought, Bill Weld has no idea what's about to hit him."

Weld-who calls the debates a "bloody draw"-says that Kerry successfully attached him to the national Republican Party. (Weld had said some embarrassingly positive things about Newt Gingrich two years earlier.) "The turning point came when he asked me if I'd vote to keep Jesse Helms as the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. That was a killer."

I asked Weld how he responded. "I ducked it, of course," he said, with a smile. "I mean, I hated Jesse Helms. But what could I do?"

Kerry won the election by eight percentage points. "John has always been underestimated politically," Marttila says. "But that race had the quality and intensity of a Presidential campaign, and he won. I don't see how they can underestimate him anymore, but they probably will."

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A follow up on Weld-Kerry from the Windsurfer interview:

During his celebrated acceptance speech and shortly after the bitter battle that saw Weld's team attack very personally, John Kerry rose above the storm and invited Bill Weld to join him at a local pub so that they could put the past behind them by having a beer of civility.

Six months later, Weld made a bid for the ambassadorship to Mexico-a move that unfortunately brought his political career to a screeching halt. Firmly planted in his way was an intransigent and powerful Jesse Helms, who refused to open the door for a simple hearing. Seeing the injustice, Kerry could have easily stayed in the background. Instead he stood up against the potent Helms and wholeheartedly came to the aid of Weld- his 12 million dollar foe.
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:02 PM
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1. We can all hope that he can take it to Bush
and get all up in his face. Please Zeus, don't let Kerry be infected with the same kind of campaigning limpness that seems to infect oh so many other Democrats. May he rise above trying to be "likeable" and go for Chimpy's throat.

A-men!
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:57 PM
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5. Can Anyone Win Without Going For Bush's Throat?
It's going to be a race for the jugular!

I'm so psyched for Kerry's announcement!

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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:16 PM
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2. I like Kerry...
but he really needs to jump start his campaign asap! It's the summer recess now and he still has not done a good job of getting in the spotlight and showing people his moves. I saw him speak in New Hampshire and he did an excellent job... DO MORE OF THAT KERRY!

I just want to scream about how little he is doing when he's got the ability to rise rather quickly. Many companies try to play the "lay low and be seen for good quality" approach and do dismal, Nintendo most notably. Hopefully the same won't happen to John as he tries to literally "sell" himself to the American public.
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DJcairo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:28 PM
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3. Indeed, this is going to be a good campaign
Check out toughenough.org/thisweek.html

They point out some interesting things.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 11:44 PM
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6. Kerry is simply waiting
Dean has spent virtually all, and perhaps even more money than is in his campaign funds on the commersial he has been having made and aired. I have added up all of the articles for diffeirnt comercial campaigns that Dean has spent money on and it amounts to well over 8 million dollars, and had amost spent all of the funds he earned during the first two quarters by early July. Kerry and Edwards now each have somewhere between 15 and 20 time as much as Dena has available each.

They will begin to simply out commercial Dean beginning at the end of September.

If you go back to 2000, at the time Gore's polling among Democrats was VERY low, and continuing to drop, compared to other candidates who were rising in the polls, like Bradley. Also, none of these guys in 2000 had started running anything like as early as Dean.

GOIng back to August 1991, BIll CLinton was at 2 percent in the polls.

You can take this back further and in most cases, every candidate who was at the top of the polls during the summer prior to the primary, lost the nomination. This is most true in Iowa, where the person who is at the top of the polls in summer and early fall, has virtually NEVER won the caucus.
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:53 AM
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7. No point in replying, really, but I will anyway
Many of Dean's most ardent supporters are from places where there has never been a Dean commercial aired.

An interesting factoid, just thought I'd throw it out there for your digestion.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:11 PM
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21. Dean's rise in the polls in NH, and Iowa
were concurrent with his airing of commercials. He did the same in Texas and New Mexico, but the democrats there. largely latino, have not bitten. Sorry, In all of the places where Dean is showing sudden large gains, he has spent at least one million dollars a month over the last three months paying for commercial spots. Dean is telling his supporters how much money he has raised recently, but not how far in the hole his campaign is finacially. He has spent several million on Iowa commercials alone.
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:18 PM
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22. Looks like the commercials are working...
Money well spent! Dean continues to build support, and many of his supporters will in turn bring others into the campaign.

Meanwhile he continues to raise more money, which he can use on...more commercials!

Word is that the Sleepless Tour was done on the cheap; I don't think this team is "burning through" their money. They understand that it's a long haul.

As someone with her own business, I know that you have to spend money to make money!

That being said, I am looking forward to Kerry jumping in and the campaign heating up in general. Should be fun.

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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:21 PM
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25. All of that information is publicly available and posted
on another thread which I know you were on, and which didn't support your proposition here. So which is it, did you not read that thread or are you just lying, or both?

Besides all of which, as you know, I wasn't talking about polls. I'm talking about people signed up with his campaign and meetups. Those are enthusiastic supporters, and they are definitely not all from the places where he has run ads.

Oh, I should add "Sorry" the way you always do.
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helleborient Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 09:09 AM
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8. Also wish you would provide a link for your numbers...
No Democrat who has won both Iowa and NH has lost the nomination either.

Among the leading candidates, according to the Zogby poll, Dean has the largest percentage who are still unfamiliar with him - 19% Only 13% consider themselves unfamiliar with Kerry. I hope Kerry can get those who feel they know him but don't support him to listen to him again.

Right now, as the frontrunner, they are both Dean's to lose...we'll see what happens.

We've seen no political ads whatsoever for Dean here in Illinois...no press locally where I am...little out of Chicago on the Democratic candidates in general, and we had 3,500 in the middle of a workday, Tuesday this past week.

Those in the past who have surged in NH and Iowa have been lacking in organization, money, and national support...Dean has all 3, but again we'll wait and see.

I'm looking forward to seeing Kerry's campaign get off the ground, and will look forward to a surge by him in New Hampshire...more Democratic voices!
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 10:01 AM
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11. So, Nick, how much do you figure Dean has in his campaign
chest? Is this public knowledge? How much do Kerry and Edwards have and where can we go to find out?
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valniel Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 11:39 AM
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12. As of June 30, $6.4 million.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 11:59 AM
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16. This Is More Helpful
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valniel Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:35 PM
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30. Is there any info after June 30?
http://www.opensecrets.org/presidential/index.asp?sort=C shows cash on hand as of June 30, 2003.
How much has Dean spent on advertising in Iowa & NH. Also, he has to opt out of public financing in order not to exceed the individual state limits set by the FEC!
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 11:57 AM
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15. This Is Not Up To The Minute
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:21 PM
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24. Well, Dean had RAISED somwhere in the area of ten million
By July 1st, but if you looks at the expenditures for several months of Commercials in Iowa, Running them in Texas and New Mexico (a million a piece) HE has been running commercials in N.H., BUT the ones run in Agust alone ran over a million dollars. ALl of the big talk about Dean raising so much during the second quarter, were not weighed against the fact that Dean has spent wildly at the beginning of the campaign and at this point he will not catch up to the ohter candidates easily.

Estimates for television commercials alone come to around eight million. Edwards had over 12 million at the end of July, Kerry almost 13 million in July but recent articles for Kerry are between 15 and 18 million available possibly more, where if you deduct what Dean has spent from what he has raised, he probably is only holding onto about two million at this point. Kerry will likely begin heavily advertising in early to Mid October. Dean is running to stay in place. Or to try for an early lead that will very likely slip by the end of the year. Dean is trying to gain an early lead, because he know he is going to be trashed in the late season and is trying to maintain second place. Dean cannot possible take the nmination, but to stay iin the running he has to be in second place in wither Iowa or New Hampshire, and odds are lookng like Edwards will do a major pull ahead against Dean in Iowa.
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:23 PM
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26. "Dean cannot possible take the nmination"
La la la la (fingers in ears, head in sand)
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:28 PM
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29. Even Dean knows it
Which is why he is spending so early to try to maintain a place in the top tier. He simply cannot win the nomination, try as he may.

No candidate who has been at the top in Iowa and N.H. as early as Dean is, has ever won the nomintion, since polling began.

Tra la,la, la, la...
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:37 PM
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31. keep that head in the sand there buddy
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George_Bonanza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:33 PM
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4. Very good article
I wish I was around to witness the Weld-Kerry race.
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jos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 09:10 AM
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9. Haven't seen any of this "itch" so far
His campaign seems to have feet of clay as he has allowed Dean to overtake him. Plus it seems that every time he levels a criticsm of Bush, he backs off under Murdoch or beltway media pressure.

Not an encouraging start. Does not give me confidence in his ability to handle the Bush junta and the hostile media in the general election campaign.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 11:47 AM
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13. Do you have one cite of Kerry backing off?
If that were true, then why wouldn't Limbaugh and the NY Post have screaming headlines that shout - KERRY BACKS OFF BUSH. I must have missed those.
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jos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:03 PM
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17. The "regime change" remark
He fudged on it a few days later.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:08 PM
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19. Fought And Bled For The Right To Speak Out
Kerry responded briefly in a speech Thursday night at a Georgia Democratic Party fund-raiser outside Atlanta. He called it his "pleasure" to be attacked by Republicans "for speaking out regarding the direction of our country."

"I don't need any lessons in patriotism or in caring about America from the likes of the right wing and Tom DeLay and others," said Kerry, who was awarded a Silver Star, a Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts during two combat tours in Vietnam. DeLay and Frist did not serve in the military.

Kerry expanded on his remarks Friday when the issue showed no sign of abating. Following a speech to schoolteachers in Washington, D.C., Kerry said, "I'm not going to let the likes of Tom DeLay question my patriotism, which I fought for and bled for in order to have the right to speak out."

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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:20 PM
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23. I love this:
"I don't need any lessons in patriotism or in caring about America from the likes of the right wing and Tom DeLay and others," said Kerry, who was awarded a Silver Star, a Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts during two combat tours in Vietnam. DeLay and Frist did not serve in the military.

I hope he keeps pounding this message over and over and over again...this is exactly what Democrats want to hear and what the entire country needs to hear.
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:24 PM
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27. exactly - if we can just get the (very true) chickenhawk label
to stick with the american people - we might get somewhere.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 07:05 PM
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20. HE DID NOT!
He said that Republicans over reacted but he did NOT back off or apologize. He used their over reaction to slam them again.

If Kerry did back off the rightwingers would have made everyone know it with screaming headlines. That's what they do.
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helleborient Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 09:10 AM
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10. The fight against Bush won't be like this
Bush and his backers do not have the civility of Weld. If Kerry is the nominee, his battle will not resemble this at all, in my opinion.

I hate the lack of civility in campaigns, but Kerry does need to show us his ability to battle against those who don't play by his rules in a campaign.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 11:50 AM
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14. Kerry goes for the kill to save the lives of others.
He attacks where others would flee. His strategy saved lives in Vietnam. It is part of who he is, and that is why the Firefighters' Union will campaign for Kerry.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:24 PM
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28. Right...I am getting a big laugh
With the Dean posts about Dean trying for Union Support. The firefighters union representatives said it directly, "WE KNOW HOWARD DEAN" and he has never helped unions.


Firefighters question Dean's support when he was governor of Vermont. The union's summer newsletter features a letter from Steven Locke, president of the Vermont firefighters' union, which raps Dean.

"I would like to tell you that Governor Dean was a friend to the firefighters and public safety in general, however that would not be a true statement," Locke wrote. "In fact, the only positive statement that I can make about our former governor is that he signed our Survivors Benefits bill once we had done all the work to ensure its passage."

http://www.johnkerry.com/news/clips/news_2003_0809.html
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:38 PM
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32. Is it more of a "tee hee hee" or a "bwah hah hah hah"?
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:04 PM
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18. Kerry Brought Up Cocaine And AWOL in 2000
And that was for the VP slot. Do you think he is going to back off when he has been wanting to be President since the day he laid eyes on Kennedy?

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 03:51 AM
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33. He ran with the bulls at Pamplona!
"This was Primal John, the pilot who flies barrel rolls, who relaxes by windsurfing in a squall, who ran with the bulls at Pamplona and, when trampled, got up, chased the bull, and grabbed for its horns."

But he's also a man with depth and passion.

"But there's another part of his message, and it borders on the sentimental. 'We have to get back to dreaming again,' he told Democratic activists in Cedar Rapids, Iowa."

And he understands everyday Americans.

"John was from a prominent family, but he wasn't wealthy" compared to his peers, said his friend George Butler. Kerry loaded trucks in a grocery warehouse and sold encyclopedias door to door. "He was a little bit of an outsider because he had to work during college summers. It gives you tremendous drive to make up for it."

And people think he can't handle a Bush dogfight. Sheesh. He will make Bush look exactly like the pimply little cheerleader he really is. (No offense to cheerleaders, pimply or otherwise)

http://www.johnkerry.com/news/clips/news_2003_0601.html



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