Can we really expect to win with leaders like Hillary Clinton, Durbin, and

[LimpingLib]

Feinstein supporting right wing crap like this vitamin bill? About the most disgusting piece of legislation I have ever seen. Hell if all good multi vitamins are banned and you can only buy Centrum with its patheticaly low USRDA doses then you will need about 15-20 tablets to get most of the vitamins you need but then will overdose on Iron while you do so.

I have had it with these elite fascist leaders in our party. No wonder no liberals suceed in radio. Its always ones who worship elites like these. The right wing succeeds because it presents itself as outsider. Frankly we need some outsiders. I pick John Podesta as he trys to get to the bottom of government abuses of power like UFO coverups . Throw out the rest of the ivy tower garbage.

Ive had it up to here. I get all enthused watching a bunch of consumer advocates at a C-SPAN press conference busting their butts to fight the cable company monopolys and then I feel good about the left. Then I look at the sh** in congress and especially the Senate (I found this info in an urgent rense.com article)and my heart nearly stops. Truely , its no wonder Ashcroft , Chenny , and Poindexter get away with there endless assaults on civil libertys. They might be bad but they are bad in the sense that they take the worst of right wing ideas and try to fight for and implement them (called fascism) . Sadly we have characters on the left that seem to be fighting for parity and no wonder the American people dont get alarmed. they are used to this crap all around to the extent that it ever gets aired. Usually you just find yoursel one day thrown in jail with no rights to a lawer or any chance of being told why you are there.

[LimpingLib]

1. Ive had it.

Ill vote for Kuccinich, Feingold (not to be mistaken for Feinsteain PLEASE) , or Nader . But nobody else.

Back to being pissed into radicalism it seems.

If there is such a thing as a straw that broke the camels back then consider this shameful legislation a bail of hay that flattened any moderation in this progressive . This is the Patriot Act all over again. Im urgently uncompromising . Good job Senators. (Im tired of holding my nose at people like Chuck Schumer who openly admit they are "conservative" on police/state issues.. no more false saviors..hello... Hillary....)

[Paschall]

2. What's the "elite fascist" vitamin bill?

And, if you'll excuse me from saying so, I really doubt many of you over-fed and self-medicating Americans need vitamin supplements to get your recommended daily doses. I would further guess those who really need them--like the homeless--probably can't afford them, and certainly not all the DHEA, lecithin, royal jelly, zinc tablets, and other supplements that fill many American home medicine cabinets.

[LimpingLib]

3. Sorry..I was like at the deep end while posting.

Here are the details including legislative language.

www.rense.com/general39/stops.htm

Im counting on the GOP to stop this it seems unless the 3 prominent Democrats mentioned are outnumbered.

[w4rma]

4. Yup. That bill needs to be stopped.

Sponsor:
Sen Durbin, Richard J. {IL} (introduced 3/26/2003)

Cosponsors:
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham - 7/10/2003 {NY}
Sen Feinstein, Dianne - 7/10/2003 {CA}
Sen Schumer, Charles E. - 4/2/2003 {NY}

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From Whitley Strieber's Unknowncountry.com Newsletter:

Senate to Consider Vitamin Ban

The World Trade Organizationís food and drug regulatory body is controlled by big drug companies, and they are trying to use it to make all but the smallest doses of vitamins illegal to purchase without a prescription worldwide. The Dietary Supplement Safety Act of 2003, Senate Bill 722, would do just that in the US, by effectively regulating out of existence the sale of almost all vitamin supplements at higher potencies, except by prescription.

The bill has been introduced by Democratic Senator Dick Durbin, -- http://durbin.senate.gov/ -- a strong advocate of the WTO and sponsor of much pro-drug company legislation.

To help prevent this sellout of the American people to Big Drugs, write in protest to Senate Bill 722 to your senators. Tell them what many of them donít know: SB 722 is NOT TRUTHFUL in its intentions. It will open the door to devastatingly harsh regulation. Senators Hillary Clinton of New York and Diane Feinstein of California have also declared themselves in support of the bill.
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[Paschall]

6. But my question is:

Are the higher dosages actually safe? Some European countries have had a similar ban in effect for decades, and the EU just issued a very similar directive to make this the law Union-wide.

[LimpingLib]

8. It all depends on which vitamin you are refering to.

Vitamin C is beneficial when taken about 16.5 times above the USRDA but could have some negative consequences beyond that although unlikly IMO. Iron should only be taken at the USRDA and is very dangerous to go way over.

DHEA shouldnt be taken at all unless you need it. Many side effects.

Anyway Centrum only has like 20 vitamins and minerals which is missing many you need and what few it has the doses are so small that its barely helpul (well still very helpful) compared to what you need.

However Centrum does have 100% of the USRDA of Iron which IMO isnt very wise and is infact too much since you can get plenty of Iron in your regular diet. Many multi vitamins with "mega" doses infact have less Iron than Centrum.

[Paschall]

5. I'll ignore Rense, thank you, and withhold judgement on this legislation

...for the time being. But here's an informative link (from an editorialist opposed to the bill) http://www.supplementquality.com/editorials/Senate722.html

[TreasonousBastard]

10. Interesting.

As I read the proposed bill and this oped, it seems to aimed at ephedra, steroids, and other shoddy, possibly dangerous, and largely ineffective supplements sold in infomercials, spam, and whackjob "health" stores. I don't think they're after folk remedies, St. Johns Wort, and the botanica ladies, but who knows...

OK, so it seems to take the burden from the Feds to prove them unsafe and ineffective and charge them with false marketing, etc. It also could affect caffeine and a bunch of herbals that have been around long enough to be reasonably well enough understood. I'm not all that much agin' taking useless and possibly dangerous stuff off the market, but this may be a bit too much law for the purpose.

I'd also wait to know a bit more before making judgment.

[LimpingLib]

7. You all seem like a great bunch so Ill share something with you.

Puritans Pride has an amazing deal on their pure organic vitamin Green Source that expires on September 5. Best to stock up while you still can (I know I did ..well actualy I always buy a ton of vitamins ..but might really stock up before it costs me like $1000 for the same product plus "shopping around" for a doctor to allow me the right to...... at my expense of coarse ..since these same leaders dont seem to have us a decent health care plan )Use my catalog password 712 AA .

Anyway its a 3 for 1 deal which means you get 16 months of the "Green Source" multi vitamin for $109 (item # 6228). It really is a good deal because the next best deal of a comparable
(actualy a bit better "Alive natures way" ) vitamin runs about $283 at I-herb though its a 2 year supply and has even more organic vitamins .

Shesh this is sad . I feel like some survivalist thanks to our own fellow Democratic leaders. The USRDA is totally wrong on nearly every mineral and vitamin. Usually way way under. If that becomes the standard then Ive had it and Im moving to Mexico. The only slight loophole we can wiggle through is if the vitamins are spread out over several tablets (and then the packaging can falsly claim only 1 tablet is the recomended daily dosage when infact you should take 10) and some underground standard will let us know how many to take (for example right now most good multi organic vitamins daily dosages are split over 3 tablets mainly to take at different times of the day for maximum absorbtion) but it sure is sad we have to resort to that. Plus the USRDA isnt evenly messed up. It might be like 10 times under for one vitamin and like 20 times under for another mineral or vitamin . So then its still unworkable. Plus it would be very expensive. Plus most people wouldnt know the "wink wink nod nod underground unwritten standard" .

Forget focousing on Ashcroft's endless attacks on our libertys . Im now going to be busy defending whats left of my hide from my own party leaders as well.

[ChoralScholar]

9. WTF?!?

Could we possibly pander to pharmaceutical companies any more?!? At first glance, I can't BELIEVE any self-respecting Democrat would support this. Maybe i'm miseducated, so I will do some more research before passing judgement. But if this is what it appears at face value, I'm very disappointed in Hillary especially.