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Captain Boomerang Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 04:14 AM
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Kochroaches wants Dominion Too!!!
When I am not making snarky comments here, I am usually in Craigslist Forums beating on purported Conservative trolls for sport. (It's the Sadomasochist shredded wheat side of me.) One of the things I discovered recently is that nobody there seems to be able to discuss Dominionism, Theocracy, and Christian Reconstructionism... It seems most of the topics there are Dumb Fux News programming. Sometimes this is painful when you make an attempt to debate or rationally discuss a serious political topic.

Another place I lurk is TheocracyWatch.org and talktoaction... They have a lot of great info and sometimes it is fun to drop a few tidbits out to see if anyone is open minded enough to absorb something outside of Dumb Fux News. I was cutting and pasting and talking about why the GOP does not have real Republicans anymore... and that the GOP/Tea Baggers were the same bag o crap, and then I found this:

Cut & Pasted from;
http://www.theocracywatch.org/taking_over.htm

What happened between 1964 and 1994?

A group of Republican strategists who had worked on Barry Goldwater's 1964 presidential campaign were worried. Goldwater had been soundly defeated, and the strategists feared that the base of the Republican Party -- primarily southern segregationists and the very wealthy -- was too narrow. So they set out to expand the base calling themselves the New Right. Goldwater was not part of the New Right.

One member of the New Right, Republican Strategist Paul Weyrich, founded the Heritage Foundation in 1973 -- a think tank to promote the ideas of the New Right. Weyrich also founded ALEC, The American Legislative Exchange Council in 1973 to coordinate the work of Religious Right state legislators. ALEC initially positioned itself as a counterweight to liberal foundations and think tanks, focusing on social issues like abortion and the Equal Rights Amendment, but became a magnet for corporate lobbyists.

ALEC gives business a direct hand in writing bills that are considered in state assemblies nationwide. Funded primarily by large corporations, industry groups, and conservative foundations -- including R.J. Reynolds, Koch Industries, and the American Petroleum Institute-- the group takes a chain-restaurant approach to public policy, supplying precooked McBills to state lawmakers. Since most legislators are in session only part of the year and often have no staff to do independent research, they're quick to swallow what ALEC serves up. In 2000, according to the council, members introduced more than 3,100 bills based on its models, passing 450 into law. Ghostwriting the Law, Karen Olson, Mother Jones, Sept.Oct. 2002

In 1979 Weyrich coined the term "Moral Majority." Their goal was to politicize members of fundamentalist, Pentecostal and charismatic churches - a constituency that had been basically apolitical.

Not all members of fundamentalist, Pentecostal and charismatic churches support the Religious Right, but those were the groups targeted by the New Right. And some members of churches outside of those mentioned support the Religious Right, while many other Christian leaders strongly oppose them.

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Anyway, I find it wild that Koch keep coming up as bank rollers for GOP/Tea Baggers, John Birch Society, AFP... and now the Moral Majority (MM,RR,CC, FF... ) The Kochs are supposed to be Libertarian, but I am thinking that they are just into whatever protects their money.

I guess the whole reason I am posting this has to do with someone else's snarky comments the other day on "Liberalhead's" video discussing the topic of an Oligarchy. There was a long rant in the comment section that went on about how an Oligarchy does not exist. However, I think it is quite obvious that some form of Oligarchy does exist. The Kochs have been doing things for years that cause real friction between Americans. IMO; I think the Oligarchy is just part of the Christian Reconstruction going on, and why the GOP look like idiots and why they are against democracy. (GOP hasn't had real Republicans in it since the late 80's.)... They are all Christian Conservative Dominionists. They are out to destroy Democracy. Everything they have been doing is systematic and they are succeeding in eliminating just about every type of social and secular program that is out there. The pieces just sort of fell together and seem to make sense to me.

(I'm a combat veteran...) In BOSNIA; They had this thing going on over there where there were several factions of individuals attempting to dominate one another. A control of the Dalmatian coastline and an ethnic cleansing of Muslims and whomever else they could stuff down a well along the way. It was a conflict over control, religion, and money... But what happened was each side who was fighting killed their neighbors and wiped out neighboring towns because of somebodies belief or ethnic heritage. So you had Serbians, and Serb Croats, and Croat Muslims, and Bosnian Croatians, and Bosnian Muslims and Bosnian Serbs, The only way to tell these guys apart were their uniforms and equipment. Other than that, we pretty much had to lump all these factions together under the same sack-o-shit label to be able to stop the fighting and separate the factions... I think this is why all this Christian Reconstruction Oligarchy nonsense fell together for me. In Bosnia all these factions thought they were the victor in their war with each other. They all stood proud on their piles of rubble. The had thinned out the Yugoslavian population and had to start over from scratch (with an occasional land mine surprise every so often.) Their war over ideology-superiority (Dominion.) was real sad to experience. I think this is sort of happening here, but nobody has become fed up yet to go to the extreme of being at each other throats yet. The Religious Right (GOP/Baggers) Are very hard headed and they are quite convinced that their way is the only way, and they are attempting to force their ways on us. (They don't sleep and they are very organized and obviously well funded.)

John Birch Society, Oath Keepers/Promise Keepers, Christian Coalition, Moral Majority, Religious Right, Focus on the Family, Americans For Prosperity, Eagle Forum, ACLJ, Heritage Foundation, Army of God, The Federalist Society, Blackwater, Tea Baggers, The American Constitution Society, Minute Men... Westboro Baptist Church... I lump all these assholes together in the same sack-o-shit category. This is what they are. Anti-American, Anti-Democracy Dominionists who aim to take everything you have. (It's seems clear to me for some reason all of the sudden.)

Women's rights, unions, Social Security, your right to vote, speech, freedom of travel, freedom of/from religion... It's like a non-stop roller coaster ride that is getting ready to derail.

I think this is getting ready to get nasty. (Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.)

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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 04:36 AM
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1. Yea its about domination for some.
Edited on Thu Mar-03-11 04:37 AM by RandomThoughts
Some have replaced love with wanting power.

It is like they are racing for something that does not matter at all. Except to fulfill some programed need they are using to propel them.

Deprogramming that is really tough, and thousands of books been written on that, but still things like wars are still called great wars, and conflict and fighting is in so many things.

It is like if the system wants to get better, some think they have to step on someone to do that, then even use religion as the argument for that.


On the religious topics, unfortunately religion is not a democracy, it is an edict system as told in most text. Unless you think of the better spirits of love and kindness not wanting kingdoms, and just want better conditions for more people.

But then someone kills those people to try and get you to fight, since they are teaching people don't have to fight.


But fighting is also not fighting, since those that demand civility while oppressing are just trying to take peoples guns, while using uncivil means like you mention, on many people. It is like someone saying you can't shoot someone because they have an advantage with propaganda methods, so guns should not be how society works, but there actions if worse then guns on how they treat people are less civil then guns.

Basically it more then just control, it is defining what people should think is important, and what there lives should mean.

If they can get you to be a consumer, or a fighter by only methods they feel they have advantage in, and when that advantage is used against people, civility disappears, based on doctrine of being able to accelerate force against a criminal by law enforcement.

But anyways, that is part of it, but I agree it could get ugly, and worry about the possibility of violence when people think that some 'religious concept' used against them, against the teachings of that religion is how people should be.

The hardest thing in the world is to be offered power, although most of that is illusion of power, and not think that you have it because you should and that you are special. And most want a theological structure because they think they are anointed to run that structure, not because it is a valid structure for most of society.

I am due beer and travel money, and many experiences. They can keep the kingdoms or lose them, but I don't want them, why, because I know that is running in circles or fighting for nothing. I am due beer and travel money however.

I do like to post songs and stories, maybe it will make a difference somewhere, maybe not.

And on the topic of Gulliver's Travelers. Seems to be about Yahoos in some ways, however that horse was not a servant horse, so that is interesting also.

"I'll Have to Say I Love You in a Song" Jim Croce (1973)
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/4859649/12955993
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Captain Boomerang Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 07:42 PM
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10. Power... money...
It's all the same empty hole people dig.

I want to do something proactive, but I'm not too sure what to do yet.

I want to do more than send a few dollars to one of the organizations the RR despise. Through chaos & desperation, come some of the most creative things are created... I'll think of something.


I like reading your random thoughts.
Thanks for the reply!!!

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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 04:51 AM
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2. The Usual Counterargument is That the Robber Barons Would Not Want to Live Under a Theocracy
Of course, the robber barons don't want to live under a theocracy.
They want to live above it like the sheiks of Saudi Arabia.

The people will put up with a lot more because their churches tell them they must, in the name of "God".
The army is more willing to shoot down its own people in the name of "God".

Theocracy is by far the most difficult form of government for the people to overthrow.
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Captain Boomerang Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 07:26 PM
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6. Most of the people who live in a Democracy who are wealthy,
have enough money to live in their own bubble... So to them, I am thinking the form of government doesn't really matter to them.


Maybe.
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Skip_In_Boulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 05:23 AM
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3. You should check out TheologyOnline.com
They are a lot of fun to beat up on as well.
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Captain Boomerang Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 07:27 PM
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7. LOL, I burn too much time on the computer as it is.
Edited on Thu Mar-03-11 07:47 PM by Captain Boomerang
But, I'll check them out for sure.


(Holy crap! That's a goldmine of trolls there. Ill get booted from that site in less than a day. It's like a Swiftvets for Jesus site. Arrrrrgh!)
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Skip_In_Boulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 11:29 PM
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11. Yeah, they can be a lot of fun
I haven't really messed with them for a couple of years, although I did look in on them a couple of months ago to see if they are still out to lunch. They are. But one of the things I liked about that site is in your profile you can declare that you are a Christian, or Muslim, or Jew, or Buddhist. So what one can do is create multiple profiles and then argue with them from several different perspectives which I always found to be fun.

But yeah, they are a live bunch.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 07:57 AM
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4. You are dead ON. I have been warning about Dominionists for years.
And I am not surprised they are those same Moral "Majority" rats I hated in college.
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Captain Boomerang Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 07:32 PM
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8. I run into people in public that repeat things they hear off of Fox
and they always have this fear thing that the spread, and at the end of the conversation they say God Bless... (Which almost leaves me stunned because they are talking about racist things.)

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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 01:43 PM
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5. We need to k&r this
Excellent post. :headbang:
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Captain Boomerang Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 07:32 PM
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9. LOL! Thanks!
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Tamara in Madison Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:28 AM
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12. Donald Trump for President??? Really???
Hey, Tamara from Madison, WI. here and I ran across this article check it out tell me what you think.
I think the writer did a really good job on this one! http://www.examiner.com/independent-in-madison/contango-koch-industries-and-4-per-gallon-gasoline-wi
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