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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 11:37 PM
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The Grand Old Plot Against the Tea Party
By FRANK RICH
NY Times, Published: October 30, 2010

Article is at: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/31/opinion/31rich.html?_r=1&ref=frankrich

"ONE dirty little secret of the 2010 election is that it won’t be a political tragedy for Democrats if a Tea Party icon like Sharron Angle or Joe Miller ends up in the United States Senate. Angle, now synonymous with racist ads sliming Hispanics, and Miller, already on record threatening a government shutdown, are fired up and ready to go as symbols of G.O.P. extremism for 2012 and beyond.

What’s not so secret is that some Republicans will be just as happy if some of these characters lose, and for the same reason.

But whatever Tuesday’s results, this much is certain: The Tea Party’s hopes for actually effecting change in Washington will start being dashed the morning after. The ordinary Americans in this movement lack the numbers and financial clout to muscle their way into the back rooms of Republican power no matter how well their candidates perform.

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The main dining room remains reserved for Koch’s fellow oil barons, Lott’s clients, the corporate contributors (known and anonymous) to groups like Rove’s American Crossroads, and, of course, the large coterie of special interests underwriting John Boehner, the presumptive next speaker of the House. Boehner is the largest House recipient of Wall Street money this year — much of it from financial institutions bailed out by TARP.

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For sure, the Republican elites found the Tea Party invaluable on the way to this Election Day. And not merely, as Huckabee has it, because they wanted its foot soldiers. What made the Tea Party most useful was that its loud populist message gave the G.O.P. just the cover it needed both to camouflage its corporate patrons and to rebrand itself as a party miraculously antithetical to the despised G.O.P. that gave us George W. Bush and record deficits only yesterday.

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But those Americans, like all the others on the short end of the 2008 crash, have reason to be mad as hell. And their numbers will surely grow once the Republican establishment’s panacea of tax cuts proves as ineffectual at creating jobs, saving homes and cutting deficits as the half-measures of the Obama White House and the Democratic Congress. The tempest, however, will not be contained within the tiny Tea Party but will instead overrun the Republican Party itself, where Palin, with Murdoch and Beck at her back, waits in the wings to “take back America” not just from Obama but from the G.O.P. country club elites now mocking her. By then — after another two years of political gridlock and economic sclerosis — the equally disillusioned right and left may have a showdown that makes this election year look as benign as Woodstock."

Article is at: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/31/opinion/31rich.html?_r=1&ref=frankrich

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 12:52 AM
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1. Oh, now there's a pile o' fun to look forward to.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:35 AM
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2. Yeah, never a dull moment from the R's. n/t
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BanTheGOP Donating Member (596 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:07 PM
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3. Quit with the excuses...we BLEW it!!!
Look, I'm as hopeful as the next righteous progressive, but damn it...WE BLEW IT!!

We could have transformed the United States with our mandate...and we DIDN'T.

We could have set up the federal courts with young progressives, even some right out of law school, to guarantee longevity...and we DIDN'T.

We could have made laws in Congress to effectively shut out ANY chance at republican involvement...and we DIDN'T.

Finally we could have easily rendered the GOP illegal using existing RICO statutes and an unimpeded Congressional action committee...and we DIDN'T.

WE FREAKIN' BLEW IT!!!

I am ANGRY!!

I am PISSED!!

So excuse me if I don't jump on the "Well, let's just play nice with the middle of the road, "decent" republicans, and we will get our power back."

ARE YOU SERIOUS??????????

WE should have DESTROYED the republican party!!!

WE should have dictated the terms of the VAST MAJORITY of people, at the time IN OUR CORNER.

But we dilly dallied, hemmed and hawed...and allowed the Limbaughs and the Becks and the Levins to come out and TURN THE PEOPLE AGAINST THEIR OWN INTERESTS.

And NOW, we are going to lose over 80 seats in the house and 10 seats in the senate.

SCREW THIS!!

I'm so peeved....NO COMPROMISE, NO MERCY!!

This had BETTER be the MOTHER of all lame duck sessions....
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 12:04 PM
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4. Exactly and well said! We had the majorities across the board, and now, and I
hate to say it, but some fools in the democratic party say now, well, if the republicans have the house, maybe they will work better with the democrats. That logic, IMO, is F'en insane and is an example of why the democrats are in this mess 2 years into this presidency.

And the messaging from the democrats the past 2 years has been horrible. Even when something worked well none messaged it well enough for the masses of the USA to know how well something had gone for the democrats.

I don't know the root cause of the problems, but the messaging has been absolutely horrible. And the strategies have been flawed. If it had all been well, we would not be in this potential mess come 11/3.

I am so so so pissed too!!!

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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 12:41 PM
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5. Thanks, but I'll pass on the beating ourselves up. I'm more concerned with strategy starting
tomorrow.
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BanTheGOP Donating Member (596 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 02:30 PM
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6.  You really don't get it, do you...
Why bother with strategy on how to "get along" with criminal, terrorizing, despotic republicans? My POINT is that NONE OF THIS SHOULD EVEN BE HAPPENING?? "Stratgizing?" JESUS H CHRIST!!!

Yes, I KNOW you are trying to make something out of the situation we have. I frankly don't CARE about the current situation, I care MORE for the fact that we DIDN'T TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS!!!

IT WAS OUR TIME...and we BLEW IT!!

And NOW, you talk in the same passion as someone who just lost a bar bet, and just had to give up a beer before strategizing how to win the next bar bet.

EXCUSE ME??????? THIS IS OUR PLANET'S ONLY CHANCE AT SURVIVING, and you say we have to STRATEGIZE????

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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 02:40 PM
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7. As opposed to what? Going off half-cocked with no plan? What are we two years old?
Sorry, I don't do tantrums as a substitute for well thought out planning on anything importatnt.
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BanTheGOP Donating Member (596 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 04:43 PM
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9. Well, I'm on record for doing what SHOULD have been done
I have to admit, I agree that in most cases we should just move forward. But taking your premise, as to "being well thought out" in "planning on anything important."

I have been on RECORD for being well thought out WHEN IT MATTERED. Want proof?

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/BanTheGOP/8">Here. And http://journals.democraticunderground.com/BanTheGOP/2">here. http://journals.democraticunderground.com/BanTheGOP/3">Here, http://journals.democraticunderground.com/BanTheGOP/5">here, http://journals.democraticunderground.com/BanTheGOP/9">here. http://journals.democraticunderground.com/BanTheGOP/15">Here again. Get my drift?

I have provided CLEAR, CONCISE PATHS on what needed to be done WHEN WE COULD ACTUALLY DO THIS.

I would recommend you read all my posts, incidentally, on my blog. THEN you will understand my anger and my scorn. And frankly, now it will be damn near IMPOSSIBLE to do anything.

And NOW, now that we are going to be DECIMATED and lost both house and senate, YOU DARE TELL ME I"M THROWING A TANTRUM??

<<sigh>>

F'get it. Just read my history and I'll accept my apology in the brig when Palin sends us to Guantanamo.

However, I will put out my Lame Duck demands for Congressional action the rest of the year, including the process for doing it that will not allow the republicans from reversing them.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 03:21 PM
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8. I voted earlier a straight "D" ticket, as always, for decades. I'm trying to be
optimistic that starting tomorrow will bring a new improved strategy. We have 2 years to get this right so we don't see the presidency for us sliding away in 2012.
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