I'm stumped. Number of convention delegates per state?

[OKNancy]

I've googled and googled more and I can't find a list of how many delegates each state has for the national convention. I can find listings for each state, but that would take FOREVER.

I'm really curious because I want to compare the relative importance of each state. I suppose I could just do it by electoral votes, but that's not really accurate.

[CO Liberal]

1. Each Party Determines the Number of Delegates for Its Convention

I believe it's roughly proportional to their electoral votes, but I'm not sure. You might want to check the party web sites for more info.

[OKNancy]

2. Yes

I know that and I have checked the DNC site, the convention site and many others.

It is based on electoral votes ( population) but states get super delegates as well. My problem is figuring out the small states more than anything. For example Wyoming with 2 electoral votes is a lot harder to divide up than California ( I think I just read that California has approx. 500 delegates for the convention)

[ed_vadem]

3. the formula is very complex and getting the numbers is tough

first group of super delegates are allocated to constituant groups (i.e. congress, unions etc) and those organizations select delegates. They sit with the state where they are registered, but no one in that particular state is involved in how they get selected.

the second group is the PLEO delegates and each state gets a certain mumber of those. They usually consist of statewide elected officials (congress people are in group one, however) Democratic Senator can be in either group 1 or 2 of the super delegates.

then there are the state level "super" delegates who are not publicly elected but are party officials, like DNC members and state chairs. Each state gets these based on their DNC membership, plus 2 (state chair and vice chair)

the 4th group is the at large state delegates. the total is formula driven. In some states but not all states, these delegates can be allocated based on the results of a state primary or a state convention where state delegates may or may not be "pledged" to a national presidential candidate but some can be uncommitted. There are always huge arguments about "who" is responsible for selecting the atlarge delegates, expecially when there is no preferential primary to allocate them.

the 5th group is the grassroots delegates allocated to each congressional district and national party rules mandate these delegates be picked using either a primary or a caucus using the party rules for such slection procedures. All of these delegates must be allocated by the preference of "democrats" in a caucus or primary within that Congressional District.

VA has 95 delegates in groups 2-5 and the 1st group is not determined as yet and will be added to the 95 number. Only 55 or so of the total are allocated to the CD's. Our 11 CD's have either 5 or 6 delegates with the 2 most democratic CD's getting 6 and the others getting 5 I believe.

I was a delegate in VA in 1988 and the changes to the formula has resulted in very few major shifts in allocations. The Democratic vote for Al Gore in 2000 does play a role in addition to population in the allocation, but the national total is 3500-3600, I believe.

[OKNancy]

4. Thanks

I guess what sparked my interest in this subject was the emphasis put on New Hampshire and Iowa. Oklahoma in 2000 had 55 delegates and New Hampshire had less than half that many. I was thinking about how in the numbers game ( not the publicity game) how a good showing in NH or Iowa won't mean that much once the Feb. primaries are held.

I'm leaning toward Edwards so I was wondering if a poor showing in NH and Iowa would really hurt that much.

Edit: like your UU symbol. lol

[ed_vadem]

5. your welcome

by the way there WILL be some web sites that track the delegate totals and allocations. they just are not up and running yet.

I will check my archives and see if I can find their names.

How is Senator Boren doing? I used to know a cousin of his here in VA

[OKNancy]

7. Boren

He's doing great. He's the President of the University of Oklahoma and has been kicking butt.

[goobergunch]

6. I'm compiling a list, state-by-state...

and will post it all on my website when I'm done.

You might want to check out some of these links:

http://www.aladems.org/delegateselection.pdf
http://www.azdem.org/election/delegates/The%20Model%20Plan%202004.pdf
http://www.arkdems.org/plan/Arkansas%20Delegate%20Selection%20Plan%20-%201st%20Draft.doc
http://www.dems.info/Articles/TheModelPlan.doc
http://www.deldems.org/De-DelegatePlan-2004.pdf
http://www.fladems.com/docs/2004DNCDelegateSelPlan.pdf
http://www.idaho-democrats.org/content/The_Model_Plan.pdf
http://www.iowademocrats.org/vertical/Sites/{6B74BF72-5EA5-4389-884B-4A9C5BCEF711}/uploads/{633e86fc-ef5e-4b9a-b831-e3cdfb5e7764}.doc
http://www.nhdp.org/model.pdf
http://www.ohiodems.org/ncenter.htm
http://www.padems.com/delegateselectionplan1.pdf