Come on Occupy Movement!!!

[rooftoprevolutionary]

Change comes via an informed, active citizenry, not drum circles and weed.
Come on, let's not lose this battle before we even put up a fight!

We have to be organized, we have to get educated, we have to understand the source of all our issues: corporate control, and we have to fight that, together.
Camping out is great and all but unless it yields results, all it is is just camping.

As an organized people, we can demand what we need, what we deserve!
Strip corporations of ALL their constitutional personhood rights - get resolutions in front of your city councilmen to pass this initiative - start small and grow - it takes 2/3 of states and 3/4 of Congress to amend the constitution.
Together, we can make that happen and take our country back!






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[JDPriestly]

1. We organized and got Obamta elected. And now what do we have.

Obama chose horrible advisers. The economy is as bad as when he took office, and we have Tea-Baggers in charge of Congress.

I think that the OWS people are doing a good job of focusing the country on Wall Street's greed and the corruption in our government.

Good for them.

[rooftoprevolutionary]

4. they might draw attention to it

but that's not enough. the first round of marches and rallies drew thousands. that's tapered off.
why?
because of disorganization and lack of real action.
shining a spotlight is only good if it has a point. so we're under corporate control? ok, got it.

now what?

[sabrina 1]

7. Looks like you haven't been keeping up. The rallies have

GROWN. But nice try. And Welcome to DU.

Watch for the next few coming up, expected to be even bigger. Sorry to disappoint you, but really, don't be scared of this movement, it won't hurt you!

:rofl:

[2pooped2pop]

13. did that march across the Brooklyn Bridge look

undermanned to you? How about when they shut down the docks? Small crowds? Only so many camp, the rest are the backup crew that come when called.

What's your plan?

[Ineeda]

2. If you really think

this is about "drum circles and weed" or "just camping", you need to pay better attention.

[rooftoprevolutionary]

3. then what is the central message?

they don't seem to have one. saying we are the 99% is great and all but that doesn't DO anything.
what we need is change.
and having been to plenty of GA's and discussed with many people there, no one seems to know what the central goal is - what they're looking for.

every movement needs that or else it will die. this one is no different

[2pooped2pop]

14. if you really don't get it yet...

Really? I would say that the message is that we, the 99% can no longer survive in Americorp and we WILL have changes.

One of the first things I expect them to demand is taking the money out of politics. Kind of like a separation of church and State but more of a separation of Corporation and State. Most other problems can be cured once our elected government officials are actually working for, reporting to, and voting based on the will, of the people, instead of the corporations.

Making a legitimate voting process, unlike what we have now.

Making the rich, pay their fair share, eliminating corporate loopholes, eliminating using our tax dollars of the middle and lower class to subsidize huge multi billion dollar profit corporations like the oil industry so they can turn around and fuck us at the pump.

there are many changes.
They will come.
We will not be stopped.

[Lint Head]

5. The Occupy Movement is a cross section of society and yes "drum circles and weed" are parts

of the society. I'm really tiring of hearing the Faux Boobs, Newt and Rush Slimeball talking points when it come to OWS. Pigeon holing a movement is exactly what simple minded bigots are good at when they communicate to their bigoted listeners.

I actually heard a talk radio idiot say he walks by anti abortionists on his way to work every day. He knows what they are against and that OWS doesn't know what their cause is. I wanted to reach through the speakers and shake the SOB. What OWS is asking for is not a 'one issue' thing that simple minded ditto heads can grasp. People actually have to 'think' to understand the crimes that have been committed against the people of this country. Anyone wanted to know what OWS is about can just go to their website. What they demand is easily found.

What has been done in this country is still happening. The majority of the powerful and powerfully rich can commit crimes using loopholes as an excuse. I don't recall a poor or middle class person stealing billions of dollars and then finding a loophole or war to cover it up and get away with it.

[rooftoprevolutionary]

6. complexity has nothing to do with it

take a look at the civil rights movement. it was remarkably clear who the leaders were and what they were after. sure there were chasms of complexity involved but the bottom line was simple: equality.

it's not about pigeon holing a movement and it's not about putting yourself up on a pedestal saying that "people just don't understand us." that's horse shit to be honest.
i'm part of the 99% and i've been doing political activism for years. most of the people at the occupy movement have such varied ideas of what's going on and what they want out of it - the fact that there's no centralized leadership makes the whole thing even more of a cluster fuck,

in order to save this movement, again, you can't just say, well a LOT is wrong - don't tell us to pick one thing. sorry, you have to pick something to fight for. and if you look closely, you'll see that ALL issues: environment, health care, war, foreign policy, infrastructure, economy, they all stem from the same big issue: corporate control.
if we all band together and fight that, we will be unstoppable.
to say simply that a lot is wrong is obvious and totally unhelpful.

to really get to what matters - government reform and real change, you have to be focused and you have to be organized.
the occupy movement is neither.

[boycat]

19. Well, I'm not sure...

...that the poor or middle class would have a lot of access to 'billions of dollar' for which to steal; that doesn't mean that some of those people aren't stealing many thousand or hundreds of thousand--and that doesn't make it any less a wrong. Stealing is wrong no matter who does it--it's not dependent upon a dollar-figure. And it is not only those who 'need' it that steal; there are plenty of people who steal who do it just because they want something or because they have an easy opportunity and they are impulsive. Thus, there are some people who are poor who obtain section 8 housing through fraud--or disability, food stamps, or some such--and that is their 'loophole'. A loophole isn't a special dishonesty--it's just a dishonesty. Many things are--and the 'rich' haven't necessarily cornered the market on it. Who among us would not want to be wealthy? If you tell me you don't, I don't believe you. It's not like there is lots of people on streetcorners handing out their paychecks--even our like-minded progressive businessmen who gathered would not give up their own income to pay down our national debt. They are not so different...

[Webster Green]

8. Unrec for cluelessness.

OWS is an informed, active citizenry, not just drum circles and weed.

The message is clear. We're tired of getting screwed by the banksters and their ilk. We want a level playing field.

Have you been watching a little too much faux snooze?

[rooftoprevolutionary]

9. Yeah I do watch fox news

Because in order to form a valid opinion you have to know and understand each side-standing on either side and claiming you're right without first researching the "other" side makes you no less close minded than those you fight.

And as far as a level playing field....that's pretty vague. Level in terms of what? What playing field?
If the constitution is written in such a way that corporations are able to finagle human rights, we have to be DAMN clear on what we want and how we're gonna get it.

[Webster Green]

10. Good grief!

You cannot really be that dense. Is this a joke?

[rooftoprevolutionary]

11. Explain what you mean by dense

Because at this point with your throwing out insults backed by nothing, it would appear u are the dense one

[2pooped2pop]

12. Let me know when you get that together

Many have tried but the Occupy is the only thing that has even begun to make a difference. (yes, it already has affected the way our country is moving by bringing issues to the fore, you hear more in the news, dems spines starting to form hard bony structures)

Believe me, they are not all pot smoking, drum bangers. They are educated, street smart, and gung ho. Camping is not their only trick.

You should try to get together with them and see. You will be impressed by some of them.


so. let me know when you get something better going, but I'm on board this train. Occupy.

[rooftoprevolutionary]

15. I've been down there many times

And have grown very frustrated with the extreme lack of organization and once as I was in the middle of a teach-in, it got broken up by a drum circle. I'd love to help and move forward but we can't do that if we don't organize.

Like I said, moving forwards and working towards a constitutional amendment protecting our rights and stripping corporations of their personhood rights is where we need to move-together.

I mention that in the post but I guess more ppl are interested in arguing about my slight against the occupiers.

[2pooped2pop]

16. which camp were you at?

I know it can be frustrating. Without set leaders there is a lack of organization. However, every time I have a frustration, they have been able to mellow me out about it and it worked out all right. I don't have direct contact now that ONYC was leveled, but give them a little rope and I will bet they will continue to amaze us.

It is hard when you want things to be made right and it isn't happening fast enough. Plan on a bit slow moving through the winter months, and let's see if we can't make it a full blown revolution in the spring. Bear with it and pray if you do that sort of thing.

welcome to DU. expect a lot of unnecessary crap from nitpickers, but it's still the best and most up to date place for news I have found.

I've been here since 04 but just started posting with the Occupy. It's the closest thing I have seen to something moving. Hang on to your hat and your hope.
:hi: :hippie:

[rooftoprevolutionary]

17. Thanks for your words of inspiration

Im certainly not giving up hope or the fight-I'm gonna keep moving forward and try to work with any ppl here that I can-I'm based out of Los Angeles.

Keep moving forward-cant go back and left and right are just fucked.

Cheers!
E

[boycat]

18. I have some questions...

Hi, I'm new here. I need a place--thread here--or a poster to whom I can write, where I can ask some questions and not get banned. I am older than most of the people on tv I see at these rallies and I'm trying to understand it all. The posting 'rules' were a bit daunting; I didn't know you kept such a tight rein on folks (chuckle), but that's okay--it's your site.

The first question I have is, do most of you OWSers believe in the list of demands that was in the NYT? newspaper? You know, the one that advocated an $18 an hour minimum wage... I guess that's as good a place as any to start.

[Skittles]

20. helps from the start if you are a PROGRESSIVE

[OccupyNOW]

21. Occupy the Gulf!

OccupyNow! Communique #4:
Call to action: Shut Down Port of Houston!

December 6th 2011
It has come to the attention of OccupyNow! that our brothers and sisters from Occupy Oakland have put a call out for all west coast occupies to directly disrupt the economic apparatus of the 1% by shutting down all west coast ports on Dec 12th. OccupyNow! recognizes that ALL Occupy related movements are one. When one of us is raided, we are all raided. When one of us is dispersed, we are all dispersed. When one of us is brutalized, we are ALL brutalized. In the same spirit, when one Occupy movement puts out a call to action, it is the revolutionary responsibility of all able-bodied occupiers to respond appropriately. Therefore, OccupyNow!, at our November 28th Revolutionary Council meeting put out a call to action for ALL Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and other gulf coast occupies to converge on the Port of Houston on December 12th 2011. OccupyNow! has hosted numerous conference calls with Occupy Oakland, Occupy Wall Street, Occupy Houston, Occupy San Antonio, Occupy Laredo, and others in order to coordinate a mass demonstration on the Port of Houston and we have been met with nothing but enthusiasm and optimism. It is the opinion of OccupyNow! that in order to maintain solidarity and cohesion with each other as a movement more actions like these are necessary. This is an official call to action. Brothers and sisters...it is time. It is time for the forgotten to remind the world that they exist and that they have value! It is time for the working class to rise and remind the 1%, that it is the worker who truly controls the means of production, not the CEO! It is time for the youth to rise and take control of their future, if indeed they desire to have one. It is time...for Revolution. There are those who say that we, as a nation, are not ready, that the world is not ready, that we must wait another 10, 20, or 30 years before real change is enacted. Brothers and sisters, OccupyNow! Completely rejects these sentiments. We believe that the time for justice, the time for freedom, and the time for equality is always RIGHT NOW! Join us at the Port of Houston on Dec 12th. It is time.