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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 03:20 PM
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ALERT! Congress Secretly Passes Dangerous,Unconstitutional Bill- (preparing for election riots)?
This new law is extremely dangerous. It was secretly passed two weeks ago.

Bush no longer needs permission from the state's governors to mobilize the National Guard to execute police action in the United States. Should we ask ourselves whether this is a White House strategy to control angry crowds if this election is stolen? I believe it will be stolen.

Now Bush doesn't need any governor's permission to mobilize the National Guard and can send them into other states.

For a long time the U.S. has been operated under the principle of Posse Comitatus, which was created to separate police and military functions -- but with this new bill, that no longer stands.

Below is a press release letter from the daughter of Jack Carter (Jimmy Carter's son) who is running for election in Nevada, on this dangerous law.

I posted on another post on this topic to another site on DU, but this seems like the place it should go.

I continue to mourn for our country.

Akiido Soul
***********************

http://www.carterfornevada.com/en-US/node/571

Jack Carter criticizes the Bush/Ensign power grab from the Nation's Governors
Submitted by Sarah R Carter on Mon, 2006-10-09 08:50.

Here's the official press release from the campaign:

'The Department of Defense Appropriation Act 2007' was passed by the U.S. Congress and signed into law by President Bush on September 29, 2006. Jack Carter, the Democratic nominee for U.S. Senate, points with alarm to a provision of the act that gives the President new power to access the National Guard without obtaining permission from the Governor. The specific language was approved by the Senate Armed Services Committee, on which Carter's opponent, Senator John Ensign sits. Ensign is also the chair of the Readiness and Management Support Subcommittee of the Armed Services Committee.

"This White House language, enabled by Senator John Ensign, turns the relationship between the federal government and the states upside down," Carter explains. "It means that President Bush and his supporters have wrestled away control of our Nevada National Guard from Governor Kenny Guinn. This is an unconstitutional and dangerous law."

Carter says he and Montana Governor Brian Schweitzer plan to alert people to this blatant affront to the Constitution as they campaign together in Northern Nevada tomorrow and Tuesday. They will be in Reno and Fallon tomorrow and in Winnemucca and Elko on Tuesday.

cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 03:22 PM
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1. Does Carter have a shot in NV?
K/R
welcome to DU...
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 03:44 PM
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10. He is not polling well...
And at the risk of being flamed, he is not the world's best debater or public speaker. My honest assessment is no. I hope I am wrong.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 03:50 PM
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12. me too
but I will hope along with you.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 03:23 PM
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2. So now, after shredding our access to any rights
he has gone out and taken control of the 50 small armies that might have opposed him if things got ugly.

Is it a dictatorship yet?
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 03:29 PM
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5. Not yet....
...as we get closer to the election the hysteria will reach heights unseen in American history. The only action we have is an unrelented call to correct the past six years through the election process. Fear of our own citizen-soldiers is not an option, courage in the face of a threat is the only recourse.
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 04:33 PM
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23. These citizen soldiers are our brothers and sisters
We don't want to fear our National Guard. Even if they're in uniform with shields and heavy ammunition. If it does happen that they are mobilized to counter demonstrations to a stolen election, every effort needs to be made to insure that all actions on the part of demonstrators will be completely non-threatening and non-violent. If there are many women and grandmothers with their children and grandchildren with signs that say things like, "What are our children dying for in Iraq?" and others with signs saying "Did you say "Democracy" Mr. Bush" -- or similar themes --something like that -- at least the guard would be reminded that we're American citizens. What I would be afraid of is if some black ops CIA team came in and started trashing property and creating violence to make the demonstrators appear to be terrible people and get the public on the side of the gov. It's been done before, but the public's memory is short.:patriot:
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rkc3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 04:23 PM
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21. What about states' rights?
Didn't Georgie run on that simple principle back in 2000?

Will anyone ever call him on this bullshit?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 03:27 PM
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3. The annual Defense Appropriations act is NOT a "secret law"
What happened is that yet another GOP asshole stuck yet another unrelated provision in the act, and as usual, no one read the goddamn thing and they all hollered AYE to get out of town and back home for their childish little recess.

In the Strange Bedfellows Department, this looks like one of those cases that Judicial Watch, the arch conservative activist group, might like to take on....
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 08:25 AM
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31. Sent a letter to Judicial Watch
I sent a letter to Judicial Watch, to one of the e-mail addresses listed on their website. Before doing so I ran an Advanced Search on JW to see if the word "Comitatus" appears. Nothing. Do you think JW would be outraged at this? It's so much to the right one wonders ....

:dilemma:
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 03:28 PM
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4. "This is an unconstitutional and dangerous law."
The governors are supposed to sue after Bush takes control of the Guard?
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RufusEarl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 03:32 PM
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6. Army in Place for Martial Law in US
(I've already posted this but it's confirms allot)

What this ominous news means is that when/if martial law is declared, the US Army is now ready to implement it. This country would then be under a military dictatorship. This feeds into the speculation about (1) there being another staged “terrorist attack” even worse than 9/11 followed by (2) martial law being declared. So much for the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878.



From the “Army Times” website:



http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-2274936.php



October 17, 2006

U.S. Army North up and running

Staff report

U.S. Army North, the Army’s newest service component command reached full operational capability Monday, which means that it is fully manned, equipped and ready to assume its mission.

As part of Army transformation, USARNORTH was formed to become the dedicated Army service component command to Northern Command, the unified command responsible for defending the homeland and coordinating defense support of civil authorities.

Located at Fort Sam Houston, Texas, USARNORTH achieved initial operating capability in September 2005, and is responsible for specific missions, including:



• Execute homeland defense and defense support of civil authorities missions.

• Provide training and readiness oversight of certified weapons of mass destruction—civil support teams.

• Conduct the Army-to-Army portion of the theater cooperation mission with Canada and Mexico.

• Coordinate the activities of defense coordinating officers and their elements assigned in each Federal Emergency Management Agency region.

• Organize up to two task forces that, with augmentation, can become joint task forces and deploy within the operational area to command and control Department of Defense forces responding to homeland defense or civil support operations.

For the past 12 months, USARNORTH has been building its organization, readiness and mission capability. USARNORTH officially assumed the Army component command duties from Forces Command on Oct. 1.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 03:33 PM
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7. the army is in iraq
they dont have enough troops to do anything here in the states
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RufusEarl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 03:54 PM
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13. Perhaps you're correct, but i would rather not find out!
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 04:00 PM
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14. i live in LA
i would like to see them try to control the population.
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 04:16 PM
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19. Not enough National Guard to "do anything"?
I don't know the figures for the guard units that remain in the U.S. Do you know? I did a cursory search on Google but nothing came up that even suggests a number.

And how many armed guardsmen would be needed anyway to subdue a large crowd in say, Chicago? Certainly there are enough here to do that -- and remember, Bush can mobilize them to cross state lines w/o permission from the Governors. He can borrow them from bordering states.

If the election is stolen, and there are demonstrations -- I hope they are planned well and totally non-violent.

Hello... and thanks to everyone who welcomed me to DU!:hi:
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 04:29 PM
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22. Don't bet too much on that one. n/t
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 03:33 PM
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8. Welcome to DU!
Edited on Mon Oct-23-06 03:34 PM by longship
Good post.
Recommended and :kick:ed

and welcome to the Greatest page.
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spag68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 03:37 PM
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9. If you think this can't happen
I invite you to revisit Kent State in the 60s.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 03:48 PM
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11. Dammit all to hell... I hope this is not what it seems. n/t
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 04:08 PM
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16. On the other hand just cuz they are planning "something"
doesn't mean it will actually be pulled off. What if this up and ready military forms a coup?
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 04:38 PM
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24. Coup highly unlikely
A coup would have to be organized from top level generals. This is very unlikely. Those guys are usually lockstep with the upper brass. :patriot:
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 05:11 PM
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27. I seriously doubt that...
The most likely thing is a certain politicians not wanting to lose his power and using it against the people. I have to really wonder whether the military would go along with it.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 04:06 PM
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15. Can the governors refuse to allow the troops to mobilize?
How likely is it that the governors could cite the 10th Amendment, claim this act is unconstitutional and refuse to allow their National Guards to mobilize?
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 04:55 PM
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26. Unlikely Bush will be challenged on this law before the elections
There's virtually no possibility that the governors can successfully challenge this law in court as being unconstitutional before the elections. The timing of the bill is very interesting.:yoiks:
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schmuls Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 04:09 PM
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17. This is scary shit.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 04:11 PM
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18. there are three hundred million of us. half the guard is in Iraq. what
do they expect to do to contain us? use force fields? notes to our mothers? the guard has to be willing to turn their guns upon us, their mothers, wives and fathers. i doubt that even freepers are willing to shoot their own parents. think about it.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 04:17 PM
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20. thats what im talking about
n/t
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 04:45 PM
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25. Bush could use the same tactics that were used in Tiananmen Square
You're right. But remember too --that was the same problem the Chinese government faced in Tiananmen Square when the local army wouldn't shoot the demonstrators. The solution was to bring in troops from another provence who had no problem shooting. Bush can bring in troops from other states. But the idea should be for the demonstrations to be 100% non-violent, with plenty of pre-demonstration publicity showing pictures of grandmoms and moms with children and signs about losing our democracy and rights. :cry: :patriot:
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 05:24 PM
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28. Media exposure, main- and alternative-streams, would be key.
Edited on Mon Oct-23-06 05:27 PM by Ghost Dog
(National & International). k&r-ing this, for seriousness.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 07:41 PM
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29. Let them bring them from Kansas and such. I don't believe they would
shoot. And you mustn't discount that there are 500 million guns in this country too.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 10:51 PM
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30. Microwave weapons, that's what.
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18725095.600

Yep use them on uppity protestors.. that's why they don't need personell technology will take up the slack..

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/091306K.shtml
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DeeDeeNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 08:46 AM
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32. Will there even be angry crowds if the election is stolen?
I wonder. No matter what the election results are, the media will go along with it and half the population will be too consumed with the latest celebrity gossip or some other trivia to think much about it.
We can only hope that people have woken up since 2004, but I am continually amazed by the lack of outrage at what has already gone on.
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 03:36 PM
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33. Are we too fat and comfortable to scream in the streets?
RE Dee Dee's question, "Will there even be angry crowds if the election is stolen?"

Another DU contributor on another screamer topic said that we're either too comfortable to get angry, and that as long as we're eating cake instead of mud, that the general public is unlikely to take to the streets. I'm not sure about this, but worry about it nonetheless.

When the elections are stolen again, I would like to see very large, very peaceful demonstrations of people from all walks of life. Would like to see folks in suits and short hair, along with kids, college students, moms, and representatives from the entire spectrum of our diverse population.... silently marching...with great dignity and composure. God... that would be great!!! :patriot:

And Jackrabbit -- I've worked with chemical injury scientific research groups since 1992. Not all PD is genetic, and now it's known that neurotoxins such as pesticides and solvent-like materials play a major triggering role in PD. It would be more accurate to say that there is an interplay between genes and neurotoxins -- and that you can also get PD if you don't have a pre-dispositon. We've known this for years but it has been made controversial by the chem/ pharm industry's checkbook scientists who don't want this to become known. Now after decades of work, Harvard did a review of the med/ sci literature and came out this year with a paper saying that there is a definite link to at least pesticides. But realize there are many neurotoxins out there. Best to get them out of your home, to the degree possible, as they can exacerbate your wife's PD.
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