Start a petition to stop Alberto Gonzales...Help Wanted!!!!

[Deathadder]

We need to start a petition, like at a place like www.petitiononline.com This guy has been working with the Bush people since way back during the Texas years, Gonzales even represented Enron, how can we allow him to become Attorney General. We let them get away with Ashcroft, we need to give Bush a headache about Gonzales, which means we need to give the congress a headache, a show of disapproval. Now we can create our petition of Gonzales at www.petitiononline.com in the political section of petitions, once it's set up we all forward it to our people. Who here thinks they can write the petition's statement, something detailed, but still nice and tight...to the point? Let's get on this, let's make noise about Gonzales and now.

[sandnsea]

1. Do you know why?

Just stop him for the sake of stopping him? I'm horrified, I'm just wondering if people even know why they ought to be.

[Deathadder]

2. No...

Stop him because he works with men like Karl Rove to hatch plans and cover things up, because not only does he represent the President, he has represented corporations like Enron, google Gonzales name, read posts about him on this board. This dudes no good, like Ashcroft was no good (and we did nothing about as Bush made him Attorney General) Gonzales has been working for Bush since Texas, took six jobs under Bush's wing, is one of the main members of the Bush movement. If Gonzales is Bush's way of reach out and bringing the country back together, put on your seatbeat, it's going to be crazy four years.

[sandnsea]

4. That's a problem

People who just want to kneejerk against anything Republican aren't always helpful. Because going off on a tangent even 20% of the time hurts credibility when we're right the other 80% of the time. Gonzales is horrible, but it would be good if people would gather facts first. Just a personal annoyance of mine.

[Deathadder]

6. One Minute

We have the facts on him, plenty of us know who Gonzales is, what his done, and what he'll do. Just because you don't know about Gonzales, doesn't mean you should insult my efforts. Read the posts and this board, or google his name, you'll find all you need. This is not a 20% thing, this is a 100% Bush Thing, no knee jerk about i, the facts have been gathered, the time for talk is done, action is needed, if not, four years from now you'll be saying why didn't we do something about this Gonzales guy, like most American's said after a few years of Ashcroft. This post is really for people who are up to date on Bush Intelligence and History, and the Bush who's who, so they can help with the Gonzales petition. Once you learn some history of Gonzales, aid to Bush - Karl Rove - and Enron (And all things Bush Agenda related from hatching plans to covering up problems) You'll be asking how and where you can sign the petition to stop Gonzales from becoming "our" (sorry I meant "Bush's") Attorney General.

[sandnsea]

7. Post #2

You said no. I know who Gonzales is, I asked you if you did and you said no. Don't come back now, after reading what other people have posted, and pretend you did. It's critical Democrats get more disciplined in this fight. We have to stop running off on rants before we have the facts. The Florida counties which have now been explained is a prime example, anybody should have thought to check the voting patterns before they ran with that one. When our theories get knocked down as silly, time and again, nobody believes us when there's a real problem, like Gonzales. We have simply got to be more disciplined.

[Deathadder]

8. I don't even understand what the you're talking about.

But I'm not going to get caught in the classic mistake we make here and argue amonst ourselves. I know who Gonzales is, I'm not pretending, Gonzales needs to be stopped, the Bush Agenda history shows that. Good day and good luck.

[Baja Margie]

12. No!

This guy is a NAZI, absolutely.

[wtmusic]

3. Wasn't Gonzales the moron who called the Geneva Conventions "quaint"? n/t

[RhodaGrits]

5. Gonzales is greatly to blame for Gitmo and Abu Ghraib abuses -

He believes that the US Constitution is a document that can be set aside for expediency -

http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=79532

>>In his memo, Gonzales demonstrates an enormous talent for justifying setting aside a century of U.S. policy. Highlights of the memo to President Bush (January 25, 2002):

* Gonzales says the "new paradigm" of the war on terrorism "renders obsolete Geneva's strict limitations on questioning of enemy prisoners and renders quaint some of its provisions."
* Gonzales outlines the pros and cons of applying the Geneva Conventions to al Qaeda and Taliban detainees. He is prescient in his prediction that a failure to apply the Conventions across the board "could undermine U.S. military culture which emphasizes maintaining the highest standards of conduct in combat, and could introduce an element of uncertainty in the status of adversaries."
* He rejects his own argument, concluding that "our military remains bound to apply the principles of GPW because that is what you have directed them to do."
* Gonzales also notes that "It is difficult to predict the motives of prosecutors and independent counsels who may in the future decide to pursue unwarranted charges based on Section 2441 (of the US code, the War Crimes Act). Your determination would create a reasonable basis in law that Section 2441 does not apply, which would provide a solid defense to any future prosecution.

The response from Secretary Powell – dispatched one day later – takes issue with Gonzales' arguments and conclusions. Highlights of the memo to Gonzales and Condoleezza Rice:

* Powell and his legal adviser William H. Taft IV argue: "It will reverse over a century of U.S. policy and practice in supporting the Geneva conventions and undermine the protections of the law of war for our troops, both in this specific conflict and in general."
* The memo also says that removing the protections of the Geneva Conventions from certain detainees would undermine U.S. detention policies at Guantanamo Bay and weaken our ability to hold potential terrorists. "The Geneva Conventions are a more flexible and suitable legal framework than other laws that would arguable (sic) apply," the memo contends. "Determining GPW does not apply deprives us of a wining (sic) argument to oppose habeas corpus actions in U.S. courts." <<

A proud successor to Ashcroft. I thought they couldn't come up with someone as bad as J.A. but this one has real potential. Petition away!

[IndianaGreen]

16. He wrote a legal opinion

and one has the right, even the duty to question him on that during the confirmation hearings.

Writing a legal opinion is a long way from torture and mass violations of human rights. More important, it was the PATRIOT Act that opened the door to the clamping down on civil rights. PATRIOT had more of an impact than Gonzales legal opinion.

Gonzales is an angel compared to Ashcroft. Further he is a Latino from a migrant family. Having Anglos that voted to confirm a lunatic like Ashcroft throw a hissy fit over Gonzales could easily lead to charges of racism by Gonzales's defenders in the Latino community.

[Tesibria]

9. The "Cliff Notes" on Gonzales now available ...

For those interested, I've compiled the "highlights" of Gonzales' life and career at: Alberto Gonzales - The "Cliff Notes" Version.

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[Zep]

10. What's the point?

With W as prez, we're not going to have an Attorney General to our liking no matter what.

Is Gonzales notably worse than Ashcroft?

[Deathadder]

11. Yes

His has shown in his history that he is totally loyal and pon point with the Bush Agenda, Ashcroft was not 100% Bush loyal, as hard as that is to believe.

[Baja Margie]

13. Yes, yes yes

And for your information, there is NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING worse than a latino gone haywire and boot licker of the GOP. They are driven and the biggest blockheads and fanatical true believers in the fucking world.



Anyway, listen, maybe go over to www.moveon.org and have them help you write up a petition.Maybe they will, and maybe they can put it up and e-mail it out to everyone???? Just a thought. Contact Gregg Bloom at the University of New Mexico:http://www.nmsu.edu/~frontera/

[IndianaGreen]

14. Latino, son of migrant workers, and you want to do what?

Piss the Latino voters?

Only one Senator voted against Ashcroft's confirmation, and he was a certifiable lunatic! But Ashcroft was an Anglo!

You see how this can be spinned...

[Baja Margie]

15. The Latinos

know who the pinche cabron's are, and this is one of them.





Hello hello out there, did you get ahold of Greg Bloom ?

[IndianaGreen]

17. On the whole, the Latino community is conservative and church going

and they are not necessarily Catholic, which is a misconception.

Save your ammo for Bush's nominee to the Supreme Court, who I suspect will be Orrin Hatch.

[IndianaGreen]

18. Anyhoo, for those of you that want to go to war on the Gonzales nomination

here is a very good article about him from the WSWS:

Democrats ready to confirm defender of torture as new US attorney general
By Joseph Kay
12 November 2004

President George Bush announced Wednesday his nomination of current White House Legal Counsel Alberto Gonzales to replace Attorney General John Ashcroft, who submitted his resignation on Tuesday. The nomination of Gonzales confirms that the Bush administration is preparing to escalate its attacks on democratic rights and its defiance of international law.

Ashcroft became something of a symbol of the Bush administration’s contempt for constitutional safeguards and its assertion of unprecedented police powers. His tenure saw an unrelenting attack on democratic rights, including the implementation of the Patriot Act, the mass arrests and deportations of Muslims and Arabs following September 11, and the detention without charge of US citizens Yasser Hamdi and Jose Padilla. Ashcroft will be remembered for his assertion to a congressional committee that critics of administration policy were giving “aid” to the terrorists.

Gonzales is, if anything, more consistent in his hostility to constitutional principles and civil liberties. He is infamous for having authored a 2002 memo arguing that the Geneva Conventions did not apply to the war against Afghanistan. He is also implicated in discussions within the administration on legal justifications for the use of torture, military tribunals, and the claim that the president, as commander-in-chief in the “war on terror,” has virtually unlimited powers.

Demonstrating their utter prostration before Bush and the Republican right, and their indifference to democratic rights, leading Democrats have already announced that Gonzales will have little trouble being confirmed by the Senate. Although the Republicans wield a majority in the chamber, the Democrats have more than sufficient votes to mount a filibuster and thereby block a nomination. They have gone out of their way to make clear, however, that they will not exercise that option.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/nov2004/gonz-n12.shtml

[IndianaGreen]

19. Where is the petition?????????????????????????????

Your calls for a petition to stop Gonzales, and I don't see one posted:

http://www.petitiononline.com/category_6.html