D E S M O N D

[undeterred]

[Symarip]

1. D E K K E R

[HipChick]

2. How many times is Charlie going to cheat death..

[undeterred]

3. Charlie is dead.

Desmond is more L O S T than all the rest.

[Bucky]

4. I think I'm living in a flash sideways alternate universe where Lost is a stupid show

Last week's Jin & Sun ep was a major boring let down. Coming off the reveal-o-licious Richard episode, it was a Six Flags level stomach churner. Now this week we get 45 minutes of b000-ring, followed by a mere ten minutes of awesome. It's like watching that that classic Geraldo Rivera "Al Capone's basement" special stretched out over 8 weeks. They keep saying something's gonna happen, something's gonna happen over and over without actually building any suspense.

They spend a whole show less than two months before the six year long wait for the final reveal of What It's All About ^(TM)... and all they really get done is two tiny little plot points: Desmond 2.0 asks for a flight manifest and zombie Sayid captures Desmond prime. That's it. At least it's better than last week when nothing happened. But come on, PTBs, why the hell are you padding at this stage in the game?! People should quit talking and they should be fighting and dying at this point. They should be building up the stakes, not just telling us something's gonna happen. Everyone should be turning on each other and fighting for their lives and calling in favors and getting their eyes poked out in real life (and not just that Russian dude in the sideways Jackfuckedupagainverse!)

Arrrgh! Damon Lindle and Carlton Cuse are total prick teases!

[theophilus]

6. Well, Bucky old bean, you might as well quit watching. The rest is gonna be

a lot more of this with a few "deaths" and explosions thrown in. Wait till it comes out on DVD and hit FF. Sorry you are not happy.

[Bucky]

8. No, I'm going to watch it all. You don't turn your back on family. You just don't.

Given the amount of time I willingly waste on reading GD flamefests, nay, time I waste egging them on, I have no right to complain about Lost wasting a mere hour of my week after the five years of awesome entertainment it's given me. Even Pavarotti has to clear his throat once in a while. Well, not now, but you get my analogy. So far the show has had three duds in six years. This week, last week, and that shit with Bai Ling doing Jack's tattoo in season 3.
My name is Atch'ra


Who else can say they do only three duds in six years? Let them cast the first brick.

[MilesColtrane]

15. I agree that this episode was sucky.

Waaaay too cloying.

While I rather like the writers getting all philosophical and addressing BIG QUESTIONS (specifically love and destiny this week), this was a fucking cheezy way of doing it.

I've stuck with this show for years now, and I guess it's a little ridiculous to want a little realism mixed in with my magic, but c'mon! How about a little internal logic in this one?

Apparently, only some of the sideways islanders (Charlie, Eloise, Daniel) know that they are living in a "wrong" alternate universe.

Why?

There's never even a hint of an explanation other than Charlies' near death experience.

Are we to believe that both Eloise and Daniel nearly died at some point in this post-Jughead universe and thus now know that things are not as they should be?
Or, is it just a convenient plot device the writers blew past us to get island Desmond to acquiesce to Widmore's plan?

If so, that's a cheap shot and, as you mention, a waste of time in the hopefully climactic story arc.

[Goblinmonger]

20. I don't know that that is true

Certainly Charlie and Desmond are the ones we have seen that are most aware of the parallel life, but there have been hints that Jack feels something is missing or different. Also, the look between Jack and Kate when she was in the cab with Claire outside the airport. The feelings of multiple different characters that they have met at some point.

I'm more interested in why some characters have a shitty life in parallel universe while the majority are seemingly better off. Why is Charlie still an addict? Why is Kate still a criminal on the run? Is it because they aren't candidates?

[underpants]

19. This episode was key- Desmond is Whidmore's Richard- he has to tell the candidates

that they do have a life in the other world ("sideways" I hear it is called) and that one of them has to stay and probably he will stay with them -the "great sacrifice" that Whidmore talked about. Desmond will stay because he knows that he IS with Penny in the other world.

[underpants]

5. Desmond's "great sacrifice" will be to stay on the island to that he can be with Penny

in the other life

Desmond and Richard both came to the island in boats as a result of a storm-they are the stewards of the island. Desmond was already once a steward but he failed (the plane crash resulted) now he has another chance.

Widmore created "the perfect life" for Desmond so he would never go looking for another. Widmore thinks he has the situation under control but he doesn't because Hume is not a candidate. Widmore created the link between the two worlds.

[MorningGlow]

32. Maybe his death?

But only in one of the worlds*. In order to make the other world the real one--where he's with Penny and their son.

* I think the real, final world will be neither the Lost world nor the sideways world we've been seeing, but an altogether different one that pulls in elements of both. At least, I hope so, as some Losties have it better in one world than the other, but then again other Losties have it better in the other world. If that makes any sense. But I'm starting to think it doesn't so I'll stop typing now. :P

[graywarrior]

7. Every Desmond episode makes me cry

[Bucky]

9. Meh. Until they introduced Charlotte, Penny was the character I most wanted knocked off.

In a show filled with characters filled with purpose and determination and action and overcoming their daddy issues, Penny actually wastes three years of her life looking for a guy who dumped her (twice!) and who was always way more into her father than her to begin with.

[graywarrior]

11. We don't know the full story yet

Farrady and Penny are step siblings. Who is the father of whom?

[Bucky]

12. Actually we do know the story there. They're both Widmore's kids (half sibs).

Penny was by some unimportant woman not affiliated with the island (probably) and Daniel is by that British Other chick who kept pushing Faraday and Desmond and the Oceanic 6 back toward the Island.

[HipChick]

10. Heck...

My DVR mysteriously stopped recording half-way through the show..not reading anymore Lost threads until I know what the hell happened

[undeterred]

13. I watched it and I'm not sure what the hell happened.

:shrug:

[Frank Cannon]

14. ...

[underpants]

18. Ben must have turned that damned wheel again

stoopid Ben!

[XemaSab]

16. Man, I was loving the Charlie tonight

I've missed that boy.

[slay]

17. No shit - D E S M O N D

that was badass! ever since they found him in that hatch way back at the beginning of season 2, Desmond has been a great character, played by a great actor. Oh the ep was good too! Jack, Hurley, Claire, Desmond, Penny, Whidmore, Elouise, Charlie, Jin, Daniel - an impressive list of characters to appear in an ep that seemed to focus only on Desmond. Written by Carlton Cuse & Damon Lindelof. Awwww yeah the shit is gettin good now!

[MorningGlow]

21. Woah

Amazing. Great. Fantastic. I'm tearing up (and I have a feeling I'm going to be doing this every week till it ends).

And for all you L O V E haters, get over yourselves. Because that's what L O S T is all about.

A couple weeks ago, after I got a little intel on tonight's episode, I floated the following theory to Damon: "Is it safe to say that at its very core Lost is a love story?"

Damon replied: "You are the very first person ever to get the meaning of the show. Yes. It is a love story. Always has been... always will be."

I tell you this not to brag (Damon's message framed above my mantel does the trick), but because if you are a fan of the show's "Constants"--Desmond and Penny, Charlie and Claire, Sun and Jin, Rose and Bernard, Daniel and Charlotte, Richard and Isabella, etc.--then, like me, those words from Damon just might be the sweetest ones you've ever heard about this series.

Obviously, there will be plenty of other things going on in Lost's final episodes: What happens to the Man in Black, the island, Jacob, etc. But after tonight's episode, I think we can safely assume why the actors and producers keep saying that the end of Lost will be "emotional"--and why Carlton Cuse told us "If it matters to our characters, it matters to us"--because a huge driving force in the end is whether the Losties will reconnect with the people they love…or not.

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b175281_lost_redux_find_out_what_this_show.html?utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_topstories#ixzz0kQRc16Pq

And now I'm gonna be smug, because I figured that out a while back. Just like real life, sci fi and action sequences and cheap visceral thrills are secondary to the real reason we're all on this planet. :loveya:

Yeah, flame away. I don't care. I'm right and you're wrong nyeah nyeah nyeah nyeah. :P
:rofl:

[elocs]

22. Perhaps you should get over yourself. I liked LOST and watched it for a few seasons

until for me it just become too bizarre and twisted. My feeling was that they were making it up as they went along. I still wonder about that. I've wanted to like it lately, but can't.

In the end it is just a tv show. Some people like it, some don't--nothing wrong with that, that's just the way it is.

My hope is that LOST ends with Aaron shaking a snow globe with the island inside. Now that would be funny.

[Bucky]

23. I can understand people getting into it. I can understand some not getting into. But I can't...

not for the life of me I can understand why anyone who doesn't get into it can get all stuck up and scoldy toward the show's fans, saying opinionated shit like 'you should get over yourself' because they're finding a lot of meaning in a TV show.

You have the right to not like the show. You have the right to say you don't like the show. But what kind of asshole goes out of their way to tell someone who happens to like the show to "get over it"? What a prick.

[elocs]

27. Check your reading comprehension: who started the "get over yourself" stuff?

:shrug: Better check the mirror before you call someone a prick.

[Bucky]

35. Well, I checked. You said "get over yourself" to someone who expressed an opinion.

What a maroon. :)

[MorningGlow]

36. I think he's pointing out that I said it first

But I was jes' foolin'. :P

[MorningGlow]

25. Lighten up, Francis

I was just joking--check the smileys. Honestly, I feel bad that too many people get their panties in a wad over ANY show that doesn't turn out the way THEY wanted it to. It's a ride--you get on and let it take you where it's going; you don't get to steer.

And of COURSE they made it up as they went along--most shows do--why does that offend you? The U.S. TV networks usually never buy a series that's fully written with a chosen end date (three years, five years, whatever), although that's more likely to happen in the U.K. The U.S. networks want to squeeze as much money out of a series as they can, so they want it to go on as long as they can, forcing the show creators to drag out the plot. That results in a couple of weak seasons, often the third and/or fourth, until the show creators get enough leverage, from the show being a huge hit, to convince the network execs to see it their way and end the show properly, in the correct amount of time and with decent pacing.

[elocs]

28. I know that and I meant it in the same way.

I obviously don't hate LOST because I watched last night's episode. I have, however, been disappointed in the series for the past few years. I originally liked Heroes as well, but gave up on that series.

Not even having any idea of an ending allows for no continuity in the storyline and keeps fans from accurately even guessing what is going on since LOST is the incredible series without any rules. That doesn't offend me, I just don't like it (that is allowed for both me and you).

Yes, in this country they do want to squeeze as much from a series as they can. I think though if LOST had been written with a specific ending in mind over the course of maybe 3 seasons it could have been one of the best tv series of all time.

[Bucky]

24. If it's a show about love, then how come every time Sayid sleeps with a woman she dies?

Seriously, ladies, please don't have sex with this man!

[MorningGlow]

26. LOL good point

If there's one hot dude who needs the saving grace of a woman's love, it's Sayid. I'd like to say I'd be at the front of the line of volunteers, but after turning into a puddle of mush watching Desmond make googly eyes at Penny last night, I'm going to be spending all my time trying to figure out how to swap places with her. :9

[XemaSab]

29. Desmond is Daniel's constant, not Charlotte

:P

[MorningGlow]

31. Hey man, I just quoted the article

That was a list of couples, not constants, I grant you. Maybe in the article when it said "If you're a fan of 'constants..." they were referring to the romantic nature of the episode "The Constant", not the constants themselves.

[slay]

30. Yeah! I'm lovin it too!

I first came upon Carlton as a writer when he did The Adventures of Brisco County Jr. I still remember the first day I saw his name in the credits of LOST - it was as exec producer at that time and I told someone in a chat room - "Ohhh I can't wait til he starts writing eps!" And my friend said she didn't think he'd ever write an ep since he was just listed as exec producer. HA! Week after that his first ep aired and now him and Damon run the show! Whenever their names show up in the credits as - written by - like they did last night, I know we are in for a treat. And what a treat that Desmond ep was. Every bit as awesome as the Richard Alpert ep - probably even more so. I think it's cool that you love it - I love it too!

Desmond: "I just need to show them something." And that far off crazy look in his eyes - woah. Bwhwhahahahah! Can't wait to see what happens next! :hi:

[MorningGlow]

33. Cool

:thumbsup:

And thanks for the drool-worthy pic.
:rofl:

[slay]

37. woops - see reply #34

that was meant for you - i accidentally replied to myself when i was comparing scarf pics! :rofl:

[slay]

34. I like his Doctor Who scarf

in that one..