Oh, Tim Burton.

[Fire Walk With Me]

He made a film for Disney.

DISNEY.

The ones who deflated the caricature boobies in Pixar's "Knick Knack". And too long a list to even begin... Herzlos, sans Coeur.

The only review I've seen says that it's a derivative of a Burton film. To me, it just feels wrong. I disliked the ads the moment I noticed them.

Now why doesn't he get on with it and do the sequel to "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory": "Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator."

Wikipedia: "Tim Burton and Johnny Depp have announced that they have no intention of making a sequel to Charlie and the Chocolate Factory although part of Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator appears at the end of the film."

D'oh...your thoughts on the subject?

[Orrex]

1. Burton sucks as a director. He's a broken clock that's been right maybe twice in his career.

He's praised mightily for producing utterly unremarkable films that depend entirely on spectacle and have no interesting characters or plot.

If he actually does try to crap out a sequel to his execrable Willy Wonka, I suggest that we seal him in an impenetrable dome in some undisclosed location.

If he forms some lasting partnership with Disney, then Disney will come out the worse for it.



These are my thoughts on the subject.

[Mojambo]

3. Absolutely agreed.

There's no more overrated director out there.

[nuxvomica]

4. OMG! Did Robert Zemeckis die?

;-)

[Mike 03]

9. I agree with you, except he did direct CAST AWAY, which I think it s a very good film.

My niece liked POLAR EXPRESS.

[begin_within]

13. Hey

Zemeckis did "Contact" and that redeems him.

[Xipe Totec]

5. Twice in his career? That's three times more than I ever will

Some of his films are self-derivative, I agree, but not all.

And his style is unique.


I loved Nightmare before Christmas, Mars Attacks, Edward Scissorhands, and Beetlejuice.

[Fire Walk With Me]

6. People should "get" that Mars Attacks is about the misfit attacking the status quo.

It's great fun at that level.

[Orrex]

16. Sure his style is unique, but that doesn't necessarily mean "good"

Heck Batman & Batman Returns are bad enough to offset any ten top-notch films that he might unexpectedly put out in the future.

And let's not forget Planet of the Apes while we're at it...

[Orsino]

7. But when he's right, he's Edward Scissorhands right. n/t

[Orrex]

15. Not to mention "Ed Wood" right.

But what have you done for me lately, Timmy?

[Fire Walk With Me]

2. No one?

Lament with me.

[Mike 03]

8. Tim Burton is not my cup of tea, but many people revere him.

I liked, um...

The first BATMAN
I half-liked SWEENY TODD

[kimmerspixelated]

10. Perhaps the reason Burton did Disney is because Depp has

tremendous influence with Disney(Pirates),and they're friends, and maybe Burton needed more money. I for one-Can't wait to see Alice!

Gosh, I never woulda believed there are so many Burton bashers!

Furthermore, I don't think there has been a Burton movie I didn't like-(Looked away at the bloody parts of Sweeney Todd) but What about Nightmare Before Christmas and The Corpse Bride? Shabby? I think not. I also adored Big Fish!

ALso, if memory serves me-Burton did not direct Polar Express(I loved it though).

[Fire Walk With Me]

11. Burton has done fantastic work. Which makes this so difficult for me.

Disney is anathema. Utterly without heart. They damage everything they touch. :/

[kimmerspixelated]

12. Are you saying that Disney is such a big corp.

That the heart is gone? I keep thinking of the absolute joy of their animation and what is has done to generations for inspiration.

[Fire Walk With Me]

30. Joy?

I see joy in WALL*E and The Incredibles, true euphoria. I recommend these above Oscar winners in any category.

In Disney all I see are poor attempts to manipulate emotions through nostalgic and cloying syrup.

Mind you, the end of "Blade Runner" can make me weep out of passion for life, the importance of any individual and their experience, I can go on and on...I watched that recent dog movie from Disney out of (idiotic) interest and felt for days like someone had dipped my brain in papier mache.

Disney is of a single dimension. With out depth and dimension and passion, or any meaningful core.

They pretend to have such, but I am sickened by their manipulation. There are those who have it and it shows, and those who want to impress you but obviously don't have it. The former is Pixar and the latter is Disney.

[Pithlet]

32. Are you aware that Wall E and the Incredibles are Disney?

Because they are. :shrug:

[Fire Walk With Me]

33. (slaps forehead)

[Pithlet]

34. Oookay...

So, then, if the argument is that Disney destroys all it touches...

*lightly taps elbow*

[Fire Walk With Me]

39. There are at least two enlightened beings at Pixar.

Others may not be so lucky/durable.

[Mike 03]

35. Firewalk, Disney had a great spinoff that made Scorcese's THE COLOR OF MONEY, but I can't

recall the name of the subsidiary. There is no question they do good work. I worked for them. :-)

[begin_within]

14. Oh please.

"Mary Poppins" alone is enough to give Disney cachet.
Any studio would be proud to have that in their catalog.

Not to mention











and over 600 other films produced by Disney and its subsidaries.

[Fire Walk With Me]

28. Here is your challenge.

http://www.amazon.com/Beauty-Beast-Criterion-Collection-Restored/dp/B00007L4I6

http://www.amazon.com/Triplets-Belleville-Mich%C3%A8le-Caucheteux/dp/B0001IN0MQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1267996879&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Akira-Geneon-Signature-Nozomu-Sasaki/dp/B00012QLQ4/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1267996906&sr=1-2

http://www.amazon.com/Ghost-Shell-Atsuko-Tanaka/dp/6304493681/ref=pd_sim_d_4

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_9?url=search-alias%3Ddvd&field-keywords=the+incredibles&sprefix=the+incre

http://www.amazon.com/Spirited-Away-Hayao-Miyazaki/dp/B00005JLEU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1267997030&sr=1-1

Disney need to get their pseudopods out of Studio Ghibli.

[OmahaBlueDog]

18. The Walt Disney Company brings joy to millions and created modern animation

...not to mention the modern theme park.

They are neither without heart nor damaging to all that they touch.

They are a reasonably well run mass market entertainment producer, which is not the cup of tea of many on this site.

[Fire Walk With Me]

29. They are without heart.

They attempt to touch heartstrings, yet in so attempting, they reveal themselves as poor manipulators of actual emotional response. All facade, no core. It's like feeding cotton candy to a starving man, then getting angry at him for dying.

In mass-producing pap, they are lowering the overall quality of life and higher standards of society.

Please to watch:

http://www.amazon.com/Ghost-Shell-Atsuko-Tanaka/dp/6304493681/ref=pd_sim_d_4

Also, please watch "Good Night and Good Luck" to see how far television has fallen. I will take no excuses for this demise either. It's all wrapped up and tied in to any willingness to tolerate mindless distraction. I believe that L.E. Modesitt, Jr. said, and I'm paraphrasing something I have posted here earlier, that "elitism is useful as a bar against mediocrity".

We need a stronger bar. :shrug:

[OmahaBlueDog]

36. Spare me

They make me happy, they make my wife happy

They make my children happy

I've personally seen enough families in Walt Disney World wearing "Make a Wish" garb to know they make thousands of sick and dying children happy. How dare you tell me they have no heart.

[OmahaBlueDog]

17. Burton's done a lot of work work with Disney

The Nightmare Before Christmas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nightmare_Before_Christmas (Touchstone)


Ed Wood

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Wood_(film) (Touchstone)

James and the Giant Peach

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_and_the_Giant_Peach_(film) (Walt Disney et. al.)

Cabin Boy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabin_Boy (Touchstone)

[Fire Walk With Me]

25. And look what's happening to him now.

Again, Disney damages everything it touches.

[OmahaBlueDog]

37. Together, Tim and the company Walt built sold $116M worth of tickets this weekend

I'm really amused that this bothers you

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

19. Burton's great with original material

Pee-wee, Beetlejuice, Edward Scissorhands and Ed Wood are among my favorite films

but when gets into remakes (which he's stuck on lately), he's horrible
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Planet of the apes and Alice are abysmal

unfortunately, his next projects are a Dark Shadows remake and a redo of his own Frankenweenie short film
so it's going to be a while til we get another good Burton fim

[JCMach1]

20. I agree 100% he should avoid remakes

[peekaloo]

22. yep.

I'll even own up to liking 'Mars Attacks' but the retreads do nothing for me.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

21. WHy do his movies look like bad drug trips???

Mom, Dad, me and my 5 year old daughter at The Nightmare Before Christmas:

My dad who is about 80 at the time, sits thru the first few minutes of the singing, dancing, wild and crazy critters of "This is Halloween" and says, "They sure are smoking some BAD STUFF in Hollywood!!!".

:rofl: :rofl:

[Fire Walk With Me]

31. Have you read Grimm's?

Tim is an outcaste, and Edward Scissorhands is part autobiography. The cookie-cutter neighborhood is meant to mock the Burbank of his childhood. The symbolism of the pure-hearted reject, the one who cannot possibly fit in and the pain of so attempting and the final peace of self-acceptance...

I am reminded of Krisnamurti's quote: "It is no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society." :shrug:

[Bertha Venation]

23. I'm sad to hear no sequel. I wanted to see Burton's vision of a vicious knid.

[Fire Walk With Me]

27. You know that it would be great!

[MiddleFingerMom]

24. Agreed with most of the above

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I have not been able to sit through most of Tim Burton's films --
just lose interest.
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With the exception of "Edward Scissorhands" -- that is one of
my all-time favorite movies.
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But, then again, I am a self-confessed lover of fairy tales.
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[Fire Walk With Me]

26. You might enjoy his adaptation of "Big Fish".

[MiddleFingerMom]

38. Finally got a chance to look.

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I also LOVE "Big Fish" (as I've said before, I'm a fan of well-done
fairy tales).
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I've always lumped Edward Scissorhands, Big Fish, and the Princess
Bride together into a kind of modern fairytale genre (although the
latter is pretty traditional, when I think about it).
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I never realized that he directed Big Fish. It seems so vastly
different than the other films of his with which I'm familiar.
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