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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 11:27 PM
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Mad Men is demonstrating a remarkable gift for giving air time to characters I don't care about
I do like how they're showing Roger has great rapport with Mona and Joan, but almost none with his wife Jane. But in the last weeks they've spent time on Dr. McRapey, that stupid teacher, Conrad Hilton, and even the British boss's totally pointless wife, for Pete's sake (or rather spent time on them to Pete's detriment).

Arrrgh!! Where's Sal? Cosgrove got one line one line and a knowing look, Hildy got one and a half lines, Francine is gone, Harry Crane's awesome wife is totally out of the picture. They could build a whole series around Sally Draper. Instead we waste story time on the boring teacher's boringly epileptic brother and let the Sterling Cooper Staff fall by the wayside.

If the show wasn't so damn good, I'd almost be tempted to quit watching.
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 12:11 AM
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1. I'm gonna have to say, "Patience, grasshopper."
I may be wrong in saying that, but the next episode is the season finale.

I do understand what you are getting at, though. :hi:
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 12:54 AM
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2. I did not see the first season, started last year
It seems that they have moved from the "family" in the office to the families at home and.. they are not as interesting as the dynamics in the office.

Apparently the Hilton Hotel called the show and suggested to include his story.

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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 09:18 AM
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14. They "suggested" Conrad Hilton as a character...or did they pay megabucks for the product placement?
Normally product placement advertising bothers me. In Mad Men it fits in well enough with the art and it clearly doesn't compromise the story telling.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 11:06 AM
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19. "Hollywood Discovers a Real Businessman"
is the glowing title of an op-ed piece in the... WSJ. Yes, I groaned. The author was glad at the "positive" image of Hilton while I think that he is the poster boy of the way employers used to be - perhaps still are - telling their employees or, in this case, their consultants, to jump at every turn.

Here are selected paragraphs:

When executives from Hilton Worldwide, the venerable hotel chain, called on "Mad Men" creator Matt Weiner last year, he thought he would be getting a pitch to use the Beverly Hilton on his show. He had no idea that the product they wanted to place was the company's founder, Conrad Hilton himself.. The Hilton character in the show, like the real-life man on whom he is based, was a Christian anticommunist who believed that America and capitalism were positive forces in the world. In one scene, Hilton expresses his outlook to Draper: "This country is a force of good because we have God. Communists don't." Mr. Weiner was given a first edition of Mr. Hilton's 1957 autobiography, "Be My Guest" (copies of which used to be placed in every Hilton guest room, next to the Gideon Bible), along with an archival print advertisement touting a future Hilton hotel on the moon. The ad included a reservation request (subject to confirmation, of course) and a note to "check here if your trip includes transfer to intergalactic express."

Mr. Weiner was soon fascinated that a man who was born in an adobe hut (in 1887) and raised in the Territory of New Mexico during the horse-and-buggy days could seem so modern. He also relished the idea of presenting a television character who would go against the grain of the prime-time businessman archetype — all arrogance, cunning and greed. In the series, Hilton explains to Draper: "It's my purpose in life to bring America to the world." In real life he called it "planting a little bit of America around the world." Later in the show, when Hilton suggests a bold ad campaign highlighting American integrity, he says, "There should be goodness in confidence."

Because "Mad Men" is about American advertising, where fresh ideas can make a difference, Hilton is in many ways a perfect fit. He built his hotel empire through various innovations—taking out 99-year leases on properties ("a sale in installments," he called them) and purchasing troubled first-mortgage bonds for 20 to 60 cents on the dollar "to get my foot in the door." Once the properties were his, Mr. Hilton found pioneering approaches to make them flourish. He was the first hotelier to transform his properties from sleeping accommodations to modern centers of commerce, with conference rooms, dining, dancing and entertainment under one roof. He even put early versions of voicemail in guest rooms.

The "Mad Men" writers, to their credit, have been faithful to Conrad Hilton's Cold War view that one way to achieve victory was to give Russians a taste of American life. In one episode, Hilton humorously tells Don Draper: "After all those things we threw at Khrushchev, you know what made him fall apart? He couldn't get into Disneyland"—a reference to the time the Soviet premier visited Southern California in 1959 but couldn't make an impromptu stop at the amusement park. Soviet security officials refused to permit Khrushchev interaction with unapproved citizens. Hilton, who had battled communist operatives in Rome when the Italians tried to stop a hotel construction license from going through, viewed American business as the torchbearer in the long twilight struggle. "Our Hilton flag is one small flag of freedom which is waved defiantly against communism," he said at the opening of the Dallas Statler Hilton. "With humility we submit this international effort of ours as a contribution to world peace."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703574604574500264136219696.html




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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 09:37 AM
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3. I didn't catch last night's episode, I'll watch it On Demand tonight.
I always pay more attention when the action shifts to the office. A lot of the domestic stuff just bores me. Well, that and my extreme dislike for Betty Draper, which only makes things worse. x(
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 09:53 AM
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4. I can't stand Betty Draper either, or any of her story lines
She defines vapid.

I also don't understand her marriage with Don. What do either see in the other?

This show is beginning to lose me (though last night's episode was particularly good).
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 10:29 AM
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5. I don't know what they see in each other, either.
They've both got that Ken/Barbie thing, beyond that I have no idea what the attraction is.

Don seems to choose woman who are like him for his extracurricular screwing around. Maybe he sees Betty as the bland/good girl/housewife type who can raise his children and be a pretty accessory when he has a business function. Beyond that I think she bores him. God knows she bores me!
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 01:45 PM
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9. There is a classic marketing essay, from the 50s, I think
explaining why men loved those long "fish finned" style of cars.

And the conclusion was that men marry women who would be good wives and mothers, who would be an asset to their careers - as Betty certainly is. But those cars are what they dream about - fast, uninhibited woman.

And this is what they see in each other, what many used to until the 60s changed our perception of life: a good marriage of someone from "good family," a good provider - the man - and a good wife and mother.

I was thinking, when she smiled at Henry in the car, that this was the first time I saw her really smiling, a smile that she meant, not a frozen one for Don and the office.

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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 12:52 PM
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6. Last night was on the Kennedy Assassination.
I didn't see the whole thing, but I will re-watch on my On Demand system.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 01:49 PM
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10. I think that they dealt with it quite well
I remember when I heard about it: a sense of bewilderment, like Trudy: "things like that don't happen in America."

I was younger, but one could see what the people there felt: that things were not going to be the same. That everything around them was going to change, that their lives as they knew it were gone forever.

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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 09:21 AM
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15. What? They killed off Kennedy last night? Well, shit, Arugula, thanks for the spoiler warning!
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 10:52 AM
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17. Not a spoiler, really
we knew it was going to come and there is lot more of how they learned about it and how they reacted that are worth watching it. Again.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 01:40 PM
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7. Do you have to pay extra for the "on demand?" viewing? (nt)
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 01:44 PM
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8. It's on the digital service, so I think I probably do.
I don't think On Demand is available on Basic/Expanded cable.
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 02:20 PM
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11. On Comcast in our area, it's bizarre
"Mad Men" is free, whereas "The Office" costs $.99

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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 02:46 PM
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12. Yeah, mine too.
Edited on Mon Nov-02-09 02:48 PM by Bunny
Meanwhile, you can watch a lot of eps of The Office for free on Hulu, but Mad Men isn't available there. What's up with that? :shrug:
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 10:38 PM
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13. Interesting observations from TV Guide
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 09:41 AM
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16. Demoting Pete is a Bad Idea™. The Brits continue to be the worst business managers ever.
For purely aesthetic, emotional reasons, they're putting Pete Campbell one step down from Cosgrove, despite the fact that Cosgrove isn't actually outperforming Pete. The show has been very subtly showing the British owners (which may be representative of "old fashioned" management) as being impulsive, overly clubby, and unfocused. They don't promote Cosgrove for doing a better job, but because they're more comfortable with his style. Pete's numbers were close enough and now, by publicly screwing him over, they're going to risk losing a raft of clients to Duck Phillips. Classic bad management: start off with a half-decision, treat your people like race horses, and then act surprised when you reap the bad consequences. Of course by then the Brits will have sold off Sterling Cooper and someone else will eat the shit Pete throws at them.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 10:55 AM
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18. I did not even understand their reasoning:
if Cosgrove makes them feel they don't have any needs, then why hire an ad agency in the first place?
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 12:07 PM
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20. I think it's projection. He makes the Brits feel like there are no problems.
It's a model for bad business decisions--based on what the boss wants rather than what the client needs. Still, there's something to said, business world wise, about convincing your client that everything is smooth-sailing. Poor Pete. You notice that he's the one they had reading Ebony a few shows back, not Paul Kinsey or Ken Cosgrove.

Throughout the show, without ever coming right out and saying it, Mad Men has been showing Pete aligned with JFK and Don aligned with Nixon = the thoughtful silver spoon guy with some insecurities vs the young overachiever who worked his way up from the bottom but only by lacquering over a lot of psychological flaws. The two characters are also about six years apart in age, like Nixon & Kennedy, although the older one seems almost half a generation older.

Speaking of half generation older, when the hell are they going to bring Sal back?
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 05:40 PM
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21. A bad idea for the business in the story
but a great idea for the story. It gives Pete a chance to grow beyond the selfish whiny man-child he is in the office and it gives his marriage a chance to change and grow. You could see in this show that he shared this thoughts with his wife and she shared his outrage and a possible beginning of their rebellion against the ad agency. They, unlike Don and Betty, may be beginning a journey into the new sixties, a time of questioning those in authority and the expectations that are being put upon them that make little sense to them. Like a wedding celebration for people they have no ties to during the time following Kennedy's assassination. JMHO
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