French Pool Bars Muslim Woman for 'Burquini' Suit

[steven johnson]

Officials in France Wednesday said they banned the woman's use of the Islam-friendly suit, head-to-toe swimsuit -- dubbed a 'burquini' -- at a local pool because of France's pool hygiene standards -- not out of hostility to overtly Muslim garb.

This babe is hot! Wouldn't want too much skin.


http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/08/12/world/AP-EU-France-Burquini-Banned.html

[Deja Q]

1. Are they drunk or something? People pee and poo in the pool and nobody gives a crap, oddly...

Somebody wears too much clothing and they throw a massive snit fit?!

Give me strength!

[ghostsofgiants]

2. Nobody cares if you shit in a pool?

What pools do you go to, dude?

[Deja Q]

9. Yeah, but who's going to see it?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. I care very much about poo in the pool.

[Deja Q]

10. So do I, it's quite disgusting, but put in a baby or some bloke with stomach upset and it's all over

[NNadir]

4. In general, I love France and French culture, but I find the anti-Arab racism

there to be pretty disturbing.

Of course, Camus was writing about the same thing half a century ago, so it's hardly new.

[Beer on a stick]

7. How is that anti-Arab? Anti Muslim, maybe, but anti-Arab?

[NNadir]

12. The problem for Muslims in France is that Arabs are Muslims.

I have one word on this topic: Algeria.

It wasn't all that long ago.

[Beer on a stick]

13. Ok, and? I still don't see how it's particularly anti-Arab

since being Arabic in no way indicates that one might wear one of these suits or not. Being Muslim? Sure. Being Arab? Sorry, I don't see it.

[Sultana]

18. Anti-Arab? Arab doesn't equal Muslim

There are Arab Christians, Jew etc...

Educate yourself!

[Bucky]

39. Ha-ha. You made a simple, common demographic error & now people are slapping the shit out of you!

That's funny.

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[LeftistGorilla]

8. *ZING*

[surrealAmerican]

6. pool hygiene standards?

Do these standards allow for lesser bathing suits, or is it skinny-dipping only?

[madeline_con]

11. Why does France hate Mulsims?

Seriously. A woman from a super restrictive Muslim family could finally take a dip, and here come France and fucks it up! jeezus!

[Deep13]

27. France is officially pro-secular...

...not nuetral like the USA. It discourages outward displays of religiousity in numerous ways.

I know this is not a direct answer to you question, because the question is nonsensical.

Saying all of France hates anything is like saying all Arabs are terrorists. Anyway, their is no evidence of hatred in this article, only disapproval. Anyway, it's Islam, not Muslims, that they typically oppose. Some Muslim activists in Europe have been aggressive in promoting their cultural norms at the expense of other Europeans. Unlike Britian which seems to be content to roll over and take it, France pushes back.

[madeline_con]

41. Denying a woman the right to cover and up and have a swim is bullshit. n/t

[JCMach1]

14. I would have been sympathetic in the past, but living in the Muslim world

you find that there is little tolerance for Western norms of dress and cultural issues...

Until the whole world agrees to lighten-up, I am with the French... Off with the Burquini hun. You can wear that when I can hold hands with my wife in the UAE.

[philosophie_en_rose]

24. Whoa.

Why shouldn't this woman be able to swim, because some other people are being unfair to you? You should be able to hold hands with your wife, but discrimination is still discrimination. She can't decide not to show her body, because you can't hold hands?

[JCMach1]

43. Tolerance is a two way street-

At least she can't be arrested for wearing that. I could for wearing a shirt and tanktop


I think 'she should' be allowed to wear it... but I should have similar rights to wear culturally acceptable clothing. Until that cultural understanding is met, she needs to take it off!

[Deep13]

28. +1

Irrational religious standards should be actively resisted.

[SidneyCarton]

31. True.

Irrational cultural standards ought to be resisted as well.

[grace0418]

15. Holy crap, that poor woman must weigh an additional 50 pounds when she gets

out of the water.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

16. Presumably these must not be allowed either...

http://a248.e.akamai.net/f/248/10687/6h/s7ondemand1.scene7.com/is/image/travelsmith/4780?$detail_main$


...since the only part of the burquini which does not cling to the figure is the skirt.

And what's wrong with surfer shorts? Too American?

[Blue_Tires]

21. me likey

[Deep13]

29. Those show hair, arms and legs...

...all no-no's under Sharia.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

33. The article didn't say they had to expose skin...

It said that suits needed to "cling to the figure". The only part of the burquini which appears not to cling is the skirt. So surely the French would not approve of the suits I posted.

[Sultana]

17. Oh plz, why must Muslims feel like they should be catered to?

Yet when people are in Muslim nations they have to adhere to their norms.

Boo-hoo, can't wear a hijab or burquni. Cry me a freaking river. You live in France, a very secular nation, suck it up or go elsewhere.

:eyes:

[philosophie_en_rose]

25. You realize French people can be Muslim.

What is wrong with you? You don't have to be from a different country to be Muslim and you shouldn't have to give up your culture to swim. The pretext of hygiene is a blatant lie to mask discrimination. I guess all professional swimmers should wear speedos and never wear caps. If they don't like it, they can go back to where they came from... the same place as everyone else.

Also, how does it require catering to let her wear what she wants? The only catering that's necessary is minding your own business and tolerating someone that dares not to dress like you.

[Deep13]

30. France has its own norms...

...one of them is promotion of secularism at the expense of religious ones. France does not labor under the delusion that all cultural values are equally valid. They do not allow Enlightenment values to be pushed aside by religious ones.

[SidneyCarton]

32. Well, I'll say this for the French and their promotion of the Enlightenment...

At the very least it has moderated somewhat since 1793, if not, this lady would have been guillotined.

[Shell Beau]

35. That post just sounds yucky.

It is a freakin' bathing suit. Why shouldn't she be able to wear it?

[kiva]

19. Not just the women in French pools...

men cannot wear anything more covering than a Speedo - which is a good reason to avoid pools in France. Click if you dare...http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2009/aug/12/speedos-fashion

[LeftyMom]

20. Crazy Furriners! Nobody in the west covers up like that! Oh, wait... (links)

http://www.modestswimwearsolutions.com/
http://www.wholesomewear.com/page-4.html

[Dr. Strange]

22. That hussie needs to cover up her toes.

[philosophie_en_rose]

23. How is that less hygienic?

It's not that different than suits and caps professional swimmers wear. If Michael Phelps walked in in his suit and cap, I doubt they'd have had a problem with it.

[Posteritatis]

37. It isn't; it's the usual xenophobia with a veneer of public health FUD instead of secularism FUD. nt

[Fleshdancer]

26. Looks like the Simply Modest bathing suits made here in the US of A:

Anyone else remember DUers posting this a few years ago?

http://www.modest-swimwear.net/

Growing up in a family of four daughters, modesty has always been a hot topic at our house! We desire to please the Lord in the way we dress and not be a stumbling block to others. We saw a great need especially, for modest swimwear. We didn't want to lower our standards just because we were swimming. Yet, we wanted a swimsuit that would be safe in the water and not clumsy.

http://www.modest-swimwear.net/Adrianna%20Splashing!.jpg

[Deep13]

34. Looks like she got drunk at a party and fell in the pool. nt

[vaberella]

36. Oh, I actually like the hijabified swimsuit. Uber cute. n/t

[Libertas1776]

38. Who cares

what she wears? I understand that France, like most of Europe, is experiencing a tremendous influx of Arab and Muslim immigrants and are trying to preserve their francophone culture. That's understandable. But this, to me, is way too much. If they can dictate what kind of swimsuit people wear in a pool, then why don't they ban this abomination.




Uh oh, I think I'm gonna... :puke:

[Bucky]

40. First they came for the Burquinis, but I didn't wear one. Then they came for the Speedos....

Only in France would you get kicked out of a swimmin' pool for not showing enough skin. Oh, bruddah!

[riderinthestorm]

42. If she's gonna go all out, doesn't Islam forbid human images?

And here she's posing for the entire world, with a "come hither" expression, leg kicked up sexily as well?

And when it gets wet, isn't that garment revealing all her uh, "jewels"? (the exact phraseology from the Quran?)

I mean if you're gonna take the Quran to it's furthermost interpretation (and for what it's worth, there's nothing in there about covering to the degree that this woman is even demonstrating), then I'd say it's a tad bit hypocritical to pick and choose.

:eyes: