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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 11:20 PM
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What would happen to a sheet of paper if you heated it to 452° F in a vacuum?
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 11:35 PM
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1. Well, without oxygen it certainly won't burn.
So I don't know. That would be an interesting experiment to do so we could find out. Would it crumble to ash? Would it simply become brittle? Would it liquefy?

:shrug:
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 09:05 PM
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9. If its a real vacuum, that is, NADA, it COULDN'T burn, right???
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 09:30 PM
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12. I already said it couldn't burn. The question is, could something else
happen. The paper is at the burning point, so would the temperature alone cause anything to happen.

:shrug:
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Throd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 11:38 PM
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2. Ruin the warranty.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 11:47 PM
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3. Well, at least I'll have nature on my side
Since nature abhors a vacuum anyway.
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amerikat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 11:59 PM
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4. You wouldn't be able to hear it scream.
Sound doesn't travel in a vacuum.
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 12:17 AM
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5. It would start crying and wondering why you would do such a thing.
:cry:
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 12:18 AM
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6. It would pray for death and curse the tree seed from which it sprung.
And somewhere, Cheney would get an erection.
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JTG of the PRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 09:24 PM
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11. ...
:puke: :puke: :puke:

UNCLEAN!! UNCLEAN!!!!!!!!

:argh:
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NecklyTyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 06:23 PM
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7. The paper would fall at the same rate as a bowling ball if they were released at the same time
In a vacuum there is no resistance due to the air. Even if the paper were burnt to a crisp, the ashes would fall just like the bowling ball.

However, in a vacuum you would not be able to get a strike. The aerodynamic deflection of the 3 pin sending it into the 9 pin would not be there.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 08:15 PM
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8. I'm not sure about the paper, but Guy Montag would shed a tear.
Shame on you.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 09:12 PM
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10. It's not my fault. I was at a party, and all the kids were doing it.
"Let's heat some paper to 452° F," said one of them.

"Yeah, but let's put it in a vacuum," added another.


And it sort of escalated from there.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 03:32 PM
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16. If all the other children were assimilated by the Borg, I'll bet you'd stand in line with them.
(shakes head sadly)
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 10:01 PM
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20. It depends, really. Do they have casual Fridays? What about pizza-day or donut-day?
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 12:14 AM
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13. To get to the other side
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qnr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 12:38 AM
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14. I'm shocked nobody has mentioned the Hoover repairman yet n/t
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 02:00 AM
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15. Papyrus, rice, or wood paper? n/t
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 03:47 PM
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17. It turns into President Obama's birth certificate.
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 04:38 PM
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18. You'd get hot paper.
If your hand were in the vacuum too, and you touched the paper, you'd get a burn.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 04:39 PM
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19. In a vacuum it would suffocate. Or explode.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 10:51 PM
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21. It would carbonize, releasing small amounts of CO, H2O, and CO2, as well as MeOH, CH2O, and HCOOH..
Historically a similar process was used to make MeOH from wood; hence the name "wood alcohol."
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 10:54 PM
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22. Where would the "O" come from?
Breakdown of residual oxygen in the organic plant fibers?
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:02 PM
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23. Yes. Paper has the empirical formula CH2O. Hence the name "carbohydrate" which
means literally a water bonded to a carbon.

Basically, the "carbohydrate" disproportionates.
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 06:32 AM
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25. But wouldn't that mean that there was no longer a vacuum?
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 12:58 PM
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26. Well, yes, it would.
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 03:12 PM
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30. I guess the question then is
at what point is the vacuum no longer in existence, because at that point, the experiment, as originally propounded, is over. :shrug:
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:21 PM
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24. 42
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 01:04 PM
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27. How would you get the vacuum cleaner that hot?
:dunce:
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IcyPeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 01:14 PM
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28. 451...... Fahrenheit 451................
everybody FAILS. Go read Fahrenheit 451. the temperature at which books burn.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 02:22 PM
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29. delete: comment made upthread
Edited on Fri Aug-07-09 02:23 PM by struggle4progress
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 06:45 PM
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31. Tobacco researchers have studied this extensively.
You get dozens of different decomposition products.

Which, if you're a smoker, you inhale with each puff, as some of the cellulose in cigarette paper and tobacco leaves pyrolyses before it can burn.

Plus, you get their oxidation products as well -- for a total of something like 1200 chemicals in cig smoke.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 07:30 PM
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32. The question is, what would happen to the vacuum?
The plastic parts would probably melt. And stink up your whole house. :P
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 12:37 AM
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33. The Vacuum, (dust sucker) would problem go up in a putrid
puff of smoke and melted plastic on the floor.
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