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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 09:14 PM
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Do Women Like Men Quite That Cleanshaven?

The New York Times


July 9, 2009

Do Women Like Men Quite That Cleanshaven?
By CATHERINE SAINT LOUIS

AMERICAN women didn’t shave their armpits en masse until the 1920s, after a perfect storm of sleeveless dresses and a barrage of advertisements by depilatory makers characterized underarm hair as ugly. Next came the tarnishing of women’s leg hair. By the 1930s, beauty writers scolded women with forests under their silk stockings. Decades later, what began as a fad had solidified into custom. Girls coming of age no longer needed to be told their leg hair was unsightly. They got rid of it. Can the same thing happen with men?

These days, the hair on men’s chests, backs, armpits and even “down there” has become suspect — if you believe the marketing campaigns. Several recent online videos created by brands like Gillette recast hair removal below the neck as the domain of average Joes. Having a chest as smooth as Matthew McConaughey’s is old hat for competitive swimmers, urbane insiders who became swept up in the metrosexual moment and some gay men who have long embraced hairlessness. To play Brüno, a gay fashion reporter who favors hot pants, the formerly hirsute Sacha Baron Cohen endured repeated waxathons to get bare nearly everywhere. But now evidence from market research and academia indicates that more men are removing hair from their chests, armpits and groins. The phenomenon skews to mostly college-age guys or those in their 30s. Reasons run the gamut from Because My Girlfriend Likes It to a desire to flaunt a six-pack or be clean.

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Little research has been done on male body depilation. But a 2005 study published in the journal Sex Roles found that 63.6 percent of 118 men at the University of South Florida said they trimmed or removed body hair below the neck to be hygienic and attractive. And in a yet-to-be-published survey of 364 male students at the same university, more than 80 percent said they engaged in body depilation, said Michael Boroughs, the lead author of both studies and a graduate student in psychology. What’s more, he added, there was no statistically significant difference in the number of gay and straight men who tamed the hair on their chests, abs and groin. Unsurprisingly, the loudest voices making the case for so-called manscaping are the creators of the five-blade shavers, multitasking gels and gadgets made specifically for trimming and shaving in the shower.

What may surprise, however, is how candid the pitches are, and that no fewer than four brands have broached the seemingly treacherous topic of manscaping. In May, Gillette started a series of how-to and why-do-it videos online suggesting that men go further with body shaving. The rationale varied by part. Chest? “A sweater should be bought not grown.” Armpits? “An empty stable smells better than a full one.” And their coup de grâce is the groin: “Trees look taller when there’s no underbrush.” A muscular cartoon with pixeled privates even shows how to get bare without putting “your equipment at risk.”

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Yet, do women prefer their men sleek? Not necessarily. Hairless armpits can be a deal breaker, which is odd, because those female naysayers may shave their underarms. Asbellgrad commented about a Gillette video on YouTube: “Trust me, a girl is turned off by a man who shaves his armpits. It’s kind of weird and creepy. Unless you’re an Olympic swimmer.” Plenty of female commenters online dislike suitors with less body hair than they have. As Eleanorxjane wrote about a chest-shaving video on YouTube, “i want a real man, not one that’s trying to look like he’s 12 again!” Having hair on one’s chest — as the expression suggests — signals maturity and boldness.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/fashion/09Skin.html
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 09:15 PM
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1. My wife likes my face fur long, soft, and bushy.
Razor stubble isn't any fun - especially in certain places.

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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 09:15 PM
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2. I certainly don't.
My husband isn't terribly hairy but I don't mind a single hair on his body in the least. Love him exactly the way he is.

:hi:
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 09:17 PM
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3. I don't understand how men can have the appeal of the Other...
to women
if they are so cleanshaven
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 09:21 PM
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5. All the men in my family are pretty hairy
not on the back but chest, arms legs..

I remember once my mother talking about someone with a hairless chest. She shivered and said how slimy it looked..
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 09:19 PM
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4. Here is a great film about such general subjects:
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 09:24 PM
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6. I don't find it appealing at all.
I like a little reminder of our animal natures. :)


Now, a thick all-over gorilla pelt isn't attractive either - but neither is total hairlessness below the neck. I can't help but wonder if there's some chromosomal issue or some past bout with nuclear radiation they're not telling me about. Happy medium is the way to go, guys.
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mwooldri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 12:08 AM
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7. I have exactly one chest hair, and no back hairs to mention of any significance.
What hair I have on my arms is fine, blonde and not in big number. Same for my legs.

Chin and moustache do grow, even somewhat scraggily. I have some underarm hair and some "down there".

My wife says she prefers me with facial hair. I have a love-hate relationship with that... too long and it irritates me to pieces. Shaven is OK, but when your wife pinches your razor to the point you can't find it, shaving daily isn't done. So I live with some facial hair most of the time anyway.

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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 07:41 PM
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10. Exactly one hair...
do you curl it? tease it? special shampoo?

:hi:
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mwooldri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:29 PM
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17. I keep pulling it out! But it grows back! nt
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 12:24 AM
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8. No manscaping for me.
I might consider it if I looked like Robin Williams.
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BarenakedLady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 12:32 AM
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9. Depends
I don't mind soft facial hair, which is better than razor stuble imo. Chest hair is ok, to a point. I don't care for back hair at all. Knuckles either. I'm probably shallow that way.
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fizzgig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 07:51 PM
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11. my guy is pretty furry and it doesn't bother me at all
his face is the only thing i like clean shaven.
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bluedigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 08:02 PM
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12. One of the better compliments I have received...
"I like a walk in the park, not getting lost in the jungle." (referring to my chest hair)

I miss her. She had it going on!:evilgrin:
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 08:17 PM
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13. I'm not clean shaven, that's just my bald pate.
My jowls, those I shave for employment reasons.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 08:20 PM
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14. "Trees look taller where there's no underbrush" !!
I'm not sure how I'd feel about gettin' it on with a guy who'd been manscaped in that area. It would be weird.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 08:23 PM
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15. I've seen it.
It looks like the plucked neck my mom used to pull out of the Thanksgiving turkey and give to the dog.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 08:45 PM
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16. Well. THAT sight would make me hot.
:rofl:
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Lorax Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:04 PM
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18. Not me.
I don't like a guy who looks like he spends more time in the bathroom than I do.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 11:03 AM
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23. Amen to that
n/t
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 09:21 AM
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19. Our society is officially FUBARed
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 10:53 AM
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20. I'm 57 and I must confess I recently shaved my chest for the first time. Oh, I'm a guy.
My chest is pretty hairy (although oddly enough not my arms and my beard growth is average and I am not bald) and it tickles my chin when I sleep without a shirt in hot weather. It was very, very hard to do. I tried a beard trimmer and a razor, but finally ended up using a hair clipper and then a razor. It was a very different look and my chest has not been bare since I was a young teen.

I also got a good look at a couple of moles on my chest that I cannot ordinarily see very well, but I don't anticipate ever going through that kind of trouble again. Shaving the face is enough of a pain.
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 10:58 AM
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21. I love my hubbie's fur
he's covered from head to toe. :)
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 11:01 AM
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22. I'll never give up my hairy ass, back, chest and feet.
NEVER! Its a badge of honor!
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Pool Hall Ace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 12:12 PM
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24. So that really IS your picture in your signature?
:rofl:
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47of74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 12:14 PM
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25. I do my back on a pretty regular basis
Because I feel better not wearing a fur coat on my back. I feel cleaner, I'm drier, and my clothes fit better with a nice, sleek back. I use a mangroomer to shave the back.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 03:01 PM
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26. I prefer a hirsute man. Arms, legs, chest, ETC.!
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