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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 07:57 AM
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At what age does one start to become invisible?


Well, not exactly totally invisible, but less visible.




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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 08:14 AM
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1. I suppose you could say it starts in grade school
when you're the last one picked for the team, if you're picked at all ;)
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 08:17 AM
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2. invisible to whom
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 05:40 PM
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36. That's the question! Invisible to whom?
I may be invisible to teenagers, but I don't know that I'm invisible to my own peer group.
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 08:19 AM
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3. Forty
Says the 43-year-old. ;)

Caveat: That goes for normal, average-looking people, not those freakishly hot "older" folks.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 09:45 AM
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8. That is when I first noticed it
People would look right past me, as if I wasn't there, sometimes. It was a wake-up call. And pretty depressing.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 11:40 AM
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16. At least, you were aware. Took me a while to catch on. nt
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 03:14 PM
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28. Around the time I turned 39 my eyebrows fell. I'm a single gal not looking for a relationship. I
laughed and laughed because me getting older will not matter to me or anyone in my life. I have that freedom at least for all that I lack for not being in a relationship.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 05:21 PM
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33. Did your avatar used to be a wine glass?
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 05:40 PM
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37. Yes. I must have told this story before eh?
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 05:56 PM
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38. No.
I recognize your user name. I haven't seen it in a couple of years.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 06:06 PM
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39. I've been around. Though perhaps less than the first year. I've been working.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 08:21 AM
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4. once you leave that prime 18-29 marketing demographic
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 09:40 AM
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5. I'd second forty
Although a few of my cougar friends have lasted until about 45...
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 09:41 AM
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6. About the same time your "fireballs out of the eyes" powers manifest
It depends. ;)
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 09:44 AM
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7. For me it was 40
I am 45.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 09:45 AM
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9. My first 39 years. N/T
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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 09:46 AM
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10. I've been invisible on here
many many times.:P
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 10:06 AM
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11. for women? 33
unless you have breasts like Pam Anderson and/or legs like Tina Turner.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 10:08 AM
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12. Even younger if you aren't a size 0-6
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 10:08 AM
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13. So many variables it's really hard to say
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CrownPrinceBandar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 10:13 AM
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14. I gotta agree on the 40 number..........
but I've been invisible most of my life. Its kind of a talent I have.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23C9xMRCOPY
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 10:18 AM
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15. I don't know but
...as long as they keep saying I'm "old and in the way" I guess they can still see me :D
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 11:41 AM
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17. I don't think I've ever been fully visible, except in a negative way.
It really depends.
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distantearlywarning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 12:11 PM
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18. Depends on when you stop being a size 2
:(
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 12:12 PM
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19. I was born with this ability.
Simple really.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 12:14 PM
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20. In marketing terms?
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 12:18 PM
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21. I got less visible as I got heavier.
It has been kind of interesting.
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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 12:29 PM
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22. I've been invisible my whole life.
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BeachBaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 12:29 PM
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23. I'm not sure it has anything to do with age.
I think it has a lot to do with attitude and looking your best.
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 12:48 PM
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24. I'm not planning on being invisable ever
But we aren't talking about the same thing I'm sure.

If you mean sexually desirable, I suppose that would depend on how much work you put into it. I see women 60 years old turn heads. I had an 85 year old patient complain to me about the perfidy of her ex-boyfriend. She had another lined up.

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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 12:59 PM
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25. What I meant was, people just don't pay as much attention to older people.

I'd say sexual desirability's is certainly a part of it.




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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 04:45 PM
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29. Now that is true
Youth culture. It will be interesting to see if the "baby boomer" demographic changes this a bit. One way of looking at, is older people don't thrive on as much attention as younger ones do. Then I think about some work place and a 50 year old woman, (or man) with wits, talent and experience being taken for granted or overlooked. It's almost more about respect as well as a bit of fear maybe. Gray hair and wrinkles are frightening to us mere mortals.



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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 08:10 PM
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44. Wouldn't you pay more attention to older people
Edited on Mon May-18-09 08:14 PM by Juche
Obviously younger people will be more sexually desirable, but older people are going to have more experiences and more challenges they have overcome. If anything you'd expect the older you get the more people listen to you, even if they find you less attractive than they would've 30 years ago.

However it was fun in my mid 20s when I could approach women in the street and hit on them, and have about 60% of them enjoy it. I probably can't do that when I am 50 anymore.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 07:37 AM
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47. You'd think so, but it usually doesn't work that way. nt
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 01:11 PM
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26. that is part of it. but I didn't really take it especially that way
Edited on Mon May-18-09 01:12 PM by Kali
because even when you are perceived to be youthfully sexually attractive, a lot of times your "audience" does not pay the kind of attention you might be wanting. I'm talking about being taken seriously in real conversation. Then become an average looking, heavy, middle aged woman. It is interesting to see the looks of surprise when you express an intelligent, insightful idea. Similar to the looks when it happened back in the "good looking" era. Only then you had the added sign of that moment when they realized you were actually speaking, plus having an idea.
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Sky Masterson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 01:14 PM
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27. I've been invisible for years
It got even worse after 40 :cry:
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 04:48 PM
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30. This is a sad question.
One that Anne Tyler might have addressed in one of her novels, when she said she(a character) had reached the age when no one got all excited to see her come through the door, such as children or husbands....
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 04:49 PM
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31. I seem to hear a voice, but no one's there......nt
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lizziegrace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 04:51 PM
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32. When I got divorced
the transformation from visible to invisible was complete. :-(
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 06:34 PM
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42. You, too?
Seems like if you're not part of a couple you're not there at all. Your married friends pretty much forget about you and you don't get invited to stuff any more.

And if you want to be really invisible, try being both divorced and old. You go beyond mere invisibility to something like a human black hole.
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lizziegrace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 07:28 PM
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43. Yep, me too
I'm divorced and 48. I hardly exist.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 07:38 AM
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48. Never mind--that question has pretty well been answered. nt
Edited on Tue May-19-09 07:40 AM by raccoon





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Moondog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 05:24 PM
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34. Invisibility can be a very good thing. Revel in it.
Two basic truisms -

Camouflage is the first law of survival.

If you've got it, hide it.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 07:38 AM
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49. Yeah, I've noticed it does have its advantages. ;-) nt
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 05:29 PM
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35. Couldn't tell ya. Some teenager in a wife beater
said 'Hey, Girl, How ya' doin?' to me as I picked up pizza for the Fam Friday night.

But, I Robert DeNiro'd him and the little punk backed down. He did it solely to be a bigshot and intimidate in front of his friends.

I got the last laugh. Although, I was tempted to tell him that I would kick his ass from here to NYC and not break a sweat.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 06:10 PM
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40. About the same time your eyesight goes, so it all works out.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 06:12 PM
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41. Y'know, when I was younger, fitter and more studly, people ignored me, and when they didn't
ignore me, the most common reaction was rude

As an example -- this actually happened and wasn't that unlike many reactions I got -- I was one day minding my own business and doing some routine shopping, when out of the blue a young woman who I'd never seen before suddenly walked over to me and screamed I'd never go to bed with you and then walked quickly away. It wasn't an especially comfortable public moment, with people staring at me as if I'd just propositioned someone I hadn't even noticed until she started screaming

A few years later, I went to an environmental conference in Illinois; since I was headed back through Pennsylvania on my way home, one of my friends asked me to give one of her friends a ride back to small town Pennsylvania, and I obliged. The passenger was intelligent, very married, and wonderful company for the trip. Near her home, she offered to buy me lunch at a large local diner that she liked. We sat at the counter an hour: the wait staff pointedly refused to notice us, except for looking daggers at me from time to time. Finally, she said, Well, this has never happened before!, and I drove her home. I spent a few pleasant hours there with her and her husband, got a nice tour of the woods and streams on their property (wildlife!), and then went my way

As a middle-aged guy, I seem to attract less hostility. I just don't allow myself to be invisible: I rather like talking to people


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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 09:32 PM
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45. Grey hair
makes you totally invisible.
If you drop things, smash into things, swear out loud, you can prolong the less visible stage.
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clyrc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 05:29 AM
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46. I became invisible when I was 29 and I got fat
I noticed a serious change in the way people treated me, and not being blessed with tons of confidence anyway, it hurt. Then I moved to the Middle East, and suddenly people notice me. The blond hair, the fact that fat is ok here, my status as an expat, the respect people have for older people - all of them made me much more visible. Last year, I spent a month in the States and had to get used to being invisible again. A few days after I got back home, I went to a crowded grocery store. I was in line waiting for my husband to show up, and I turned around to look for him, and I think every eye in the store was on me. It seemed like a hundred people were staring, and after a month of invisibility it was strange. Where I live there aren't just a whole bunch of fair skinned and haired people, so I stand out. I get used to getting stared at, and frankly to getting treated better than I do in the States.
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 07:42 AM
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50. About the age when you know how to take advantage of Stealth
But, once you've passed, say about 40, people think you no longer have promise, only expectations.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 07:54 AM
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51. What is this visibility of which you speak?
Someone who's naturally more extroverted is fighting invisibility til the day they die. Others have rarely if ever had time in the limelight. In fact in some instances being part of the woodwork is reinforced on a daily basis; at work for example. While some can have the type A alpha personality once someone is pigeon-holed into the role of a quiet furry fuzzball any attempt to change that is met with hostility.
:rant:
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