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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 12:22 AM
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How good a guitar player is Mark Knopfler?
If there was a list with him on it, who would be near him on that list?

Curious. :hi:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB3b1W6rEDw&feature=channel_page
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 12:28 AM
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1. Dead or alive?
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 12:35 AM
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4. doesn't matter ;)
just curious on your thoughts.

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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 12:38 AM
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6. In that case, see post #3. They're all good.
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LeftyFingerPop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 12:30 AM
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2. He was perfect in his style...
but I do not think he could break out of that one sound, and by that I mean...

Guitar players all have their signature sound... but I do not think he could play in another style with nuance.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 12:36 AM
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5. let me ask you
do you think someone like Fogerty could play and successfully mimic someone else's style?

i'm thinking yes, but i dunno. :shrug:
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LeftyFingerPop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 12:39 AM
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7. Good question...
Not sure.

Take Garcia... when he got into some big meltdown jam or something, he could play so you could not even recognize that it was him.

Fogarty...I'm not sure?

I would love to hear all the greats loose in rehearsal just shitting around...
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 10:24 AM
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17. I am not a Dead fan, but I love Jerry Garcia's playing!
That is an interesting comment that you made -- that you could not recognize that it was him.
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 12:33 AM
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3. #27
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5937559/the_100_greatest_guitarists_of_all_time/print">The 100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time (Rolling Stone Magazine)
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 12:19 PM
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22. This is an interesting list
Usually, the lists of great guitarists overemphasize speed and chops and downplay innovation, meaning you see the likes of Yngwie Malmsteen and Steve Vai near the top.

This list wisely references blues legends like BB King and Robert Johnson as well as guitarists who changed the rules, innovators like Tome Verlaine and The Edge.

I have only two complaints. First, where is the Peter Buck, the godfather of jangle-pop?

The second is that this list ignores country completely. Where's Chet Atkins? Pete Anderson?

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eyepaddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 12:35 PM
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25. I know it is pretty much impossible to ever put forth a list which tries to be all inclusive, but
that has never stopped Rolling Stone from giving it a shot.

In fairness they had more worthy contenders on this list than I expected, and at leas they had the class to put Jimi at number one.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 02:52 PM
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36. It was better than I anticipated
I thought it would have a handful of no-brainers (Hendrix, Page, Clapton), and a bunch of speed-noodlers.
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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 12:40 PM
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27. David Gilmour is number 82?
I'm not saying he should be number one... maybe not even in the top ten, depending on what criteria are being weighed.

Still, though... I think Gilmour should at the very least be in the top half of the list rather than halfway down the bottom quarter.

Of course, this is a Rolling Stone list...
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 12:53 PM
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30. Thanks for the link - this is a great list, and pretty accurate, at least
to my mind.

They even included Leigh Stephens from Blue Cheer!

mark
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 04:08 PM
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40. Clapton in the top 10? No Mick Jones?
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 02:35 AM
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8. I love Mark Knopfler
but I can't make any judgments on the perfection of his playing -- I am no guitar hero.
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 03:47 AM
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9. He is to the guitar what Zamfir is to the pan flute
an absolute master
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malta blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 03:53 AM
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10. I am a huge Dire Straits fan
But I suck at lists :shrug:
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 04:40 AM
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11. Any idea where the FULL version of Sultans is available?
I have looked high and low but haven't been able to find the loooooooooong version. The one on the radio always tails off-there is a full version in which he gets to dizzying heights of playing

:shrug:
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malta blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 05:58 AM
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12. Have you tried the live version on Alchemy?
There stuff is pretty hard to come by lately
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 07:03 AM
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13. No I will check it out
:bounce:
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 09:53 AM
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14. not as good as Richard Thompson, IMHO, but better than people tend to
give him credit for. A lot of people don't know that he paid quite a few blues dues, prior to becoming known for one thing...
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 10:23 AM
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16. I think Richard Thompson was one of Knopfler's guitar "heroes"...
I think I remember reading that somewhere.

Richard Thompson is amazing, isn't he?
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 12:04 PM
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20. definitely! Funny, smart, humble, good politics... and an amazing player!


:hi: I've seen him twice - I stood in the rain to see him. Incredible.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 09:55 AM
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15. And he's a finger picker.
That's how he gets those banjo-like arpeggios goin'.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 10:25 AM
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18. He is also left handed, but plays the guitar right handed.
I always found that very interesting.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 12:11 PM
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21. I'm a lefty, but play guitar "righty"
Actually, I don't think there is a "handedness" to guitar. It takes both hands, and they do different things.

Oh - I fingerpick with my right hand, although I'm left-handed ...

Bake
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 12:41 PM
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29. Best guit teacher I ever had was a lefty who played lefty.
We could sit right in front of each other and it was like looking in the mirror.

Quite effective.
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cemaphonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 01:16 PM
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34. I've often wondered about this.
Especially with rhythm guitar styles, it would seem like the left hand needs *more* strength and dexterity than the right, and thus lefties would have an inherent advantage. And for fingerpicking, lead or classical styles, both hands would have equally difficult jobs.

So what's with the left-handed stringing? Is it a Hendrix thing?
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 03:12 PM
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37. Left handed or right handed...
...standard stringing is fat string (low note) on top, skinny string (high note) on bottom.

I hear Dick Dale strings his the other way around, skinny string on top, fat string on the bottom. Which would help to explain his dexterity and proficiency at rapid picking (known as 'tremolo picking') on the low E string, the fat string.
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 10:30 AM
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19. I don't know much about guitar players, but I know what I like and
I think Knopfler is under-rated. He is often forgotten when people talk about good guitar players and I think that's too bad.

Lindsay Buckingham too...
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 12:55 PM
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31. Lindsay Buckingham is one of my favorites!!
Is there anything that guy cannot do with a guitar?

I like that what he plays isn't flashy -- he always plays what is needed, and it always sounds incredible!
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 12:29 PM
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23. He's excellent. Don't know where I'd put him in a list
My list stops at three: Hendrix, Clapton, SRV.

But Knopfler is an excellent player.

Bake
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 12:33 PM
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24. Ry Cooder of Black Flag?
Uh, someone check me on this, but I'd bet the house that Ry Cooder was never a member of Black Flag. LOL...

Nice proofreading (research?), RS.

I'd put Roddy Frame of Aztec Camera on this list probably in the mid-30s. Max Eider of the Jazz Butcher Conspiracy probably in the 60s. Dave Gregory of XTC in the 20s or 30s as well.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 01:04 PM
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33. I saw Ry Cooder at a benefit concert a couple of months ago.
Jackson Browne was the main act, but Bonnie Raitt, Ben Harper, and Joan Baez also played.

Ry Cooder sat in with everyone -- the guy is not human!!
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 04:01 PM
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39. Dude, Cooder is playing all over "Slip It In"!
Didn't ya know that? :)
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 12:39 PM
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26. Wrong place...oops.
Edited on Mon Jan-26-09 12:39 PM by Iggo
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 12:41 PM
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28. He was inspired by perhaps one of the best guitarist in the
second half of the 20th century; Chet Atkins.

I would say This about knofler, he abandoned his Dire Straights persona and went off to Nashville to play what he wanted to play.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 03:16 PM
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38. A great many of us are inspired by Chet Atkins.
He's Guitar George, after all. (He knows all the chords.)
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 01:00 PM
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32. He created his own delicious sound
unless there is some obscure music out there that he copied and I'm just unaware of it.
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SallyMander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 02:01 PM
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35. Good enough to have a dinosaur named after him!
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 04:15 PM
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41. I've often called him the most underrated guitar player of all time.
After all, his name never comes up in the "Who's the Greatest Discussion," but by all rights it should be in there somewhere. If you narrow it down to fingerpicking rock guitarists, he's easily top 5, possibly best ever.
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