It's official...I hate other guys who don't share the same testosterone pumped, muscle-flexing

[TK421]

crotch-grabbing, spitting culture in which I am very proud to say that I am NOT a part of....don't like it? GO FUCK YOURSELVES, you pretentious fucking assholes!!!!!!!! I'm not being macho when I say that I'm quite confident I could beat the fucking HELL out of you...in the REAL WORLD...not on this fucking internet!

I'm talking about real-life experiences here, however, that occurred about two hours ago...not so much online ( although, there have been several instances of you motherfuckers on here...you know who you are ). I just got back from a bar where not one....but THREE motherfucking obnoxious, over -testosteroned fuck faces tried to get into a bar fight with me. Lucky for them, the bartender flagged them ( yes....they CLEARLY instigated the whole thing ) I stayed for about an hour after that...but now here I am bitching about it.

And don't you know it!!!! Conflict ALWAYS FUCKING COMES TO ME!!!! ALWAYS!!!! I shit you not, here in this bar...I can be sitting there, minding my own business ( not even fucking TALKING to anyone, just ordering my drinks ) and some DRUNKEN, BELLIGERENT, TESTOSTERONE-PUMPED ASSHOLE will try to start shit with me. I can't tell you how MANY FUCKING times this has happened to me! Granted...most of the problems I have had are in bars ( not all of them, people...not by a long shot ) but there clearly is something about ME that instills that primal, testosterone-pumped ass-holishness reaction from other guys and maybe...just MAYBE you can help me figure it out!

For the record...I am VERY sober at this point...just VERY, VERY PISSED OFF and wanting to kill something...anything right now...

I want to strangle the first male I see, for example

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. My dear TK421...

Well....

Suddenly I'm very glad I'm not a male, sweetie!

Venting is good...get it out, and let it go...

Try to get past it, OK?

Strange how people can be, isn't it?

:hug:

[TK421]

2. Yes Peggy...I don't know what the problem was...I'm guessing the people at the bar

were not happy with the Inauguration itself....but this goes far beyond that, even

As I have said before, I seem to draw testosterone-pumped freaks of nature to me...and I don't know why, since I ALWAYS just sit there and keep to myself! Arghhh...........who knows

But thank you for your response! We need to talk sometime soon! :D

[CaliforniaPeggy]

3. Sounds good to me, sweetie...

It has been too long...

Maybe next week... :D

[TK421]

8. absolutely!

:D

[MineralMan]

4. I used to have the same problem when I was younger.

I solved it by finding a better class of bars. That worked a treat.

[TK421]

6. Hey! Problem is, this bar is in such close proximity to both my job and my apartment

the clientele is fairly hard to avoid there ( and I must say, these individuals do NOT represent the typical bar patron here ). I really am starting to think that these are people who were a tad bit bitter about the Inauguration today. They really didn't say anything to convince me of that, but I have my suspicions....oh well.

Now, as far as my "general" bar experience...this is the scenario: I walk in, order a beer, sit and talk with my friend ( or co-worker which-ever the case may be ) and some..."person" comes to me and starts shit with me...for NO-APPARENT-REASON....have you experienced this? and if so...how have you dealt with it?

I don't mean to sound paranoid here...I really don't, but the number of times this has happened to me makes me want to think that there is something in particular about me that draws this kind of individual.....

[Ptah]

5. The vibes I get from reading your post are unpleasant.

I'm jus sayn

[TK421]

7. Ptah, I would really like you to elaborate on this n/t

[Ptah]

14. You tell me of a pattern of conflict when you are at a bar.

I think you contribute to the conflict as much as
those you rail against.

:shrug:

[TK421]

16. I was minding my own business....someone started shit with me

:shrug: :shrug: yeah....double shrug!

[Ptah]

18. That's where you lose my sympathy:

"Conflict ALWAYS FUCKING COMES TO ME!!!! ALWAYS!!!! I shit you not, here in this bar..."

:thumbsdown:

[TK421]

24. Well...I wasn't looking for your sympathy to begin with...so that's out the window

but if you read the OP, not all of this has happened in bars....so.....

[Ptah]

29. I'm trying to say, it seems like this conflict is your hobby.

I'll bow out now.

[TK421]

31. My hobby? I have no hobby here...save yourself the trouble and bow out....gracefully, I hope

[TK421]

12. How?

[Bucky]

9. One DUer's brother just died of a heart attack suddenly

Life's too short to waste time on assholes. There's got to be a better bar in your vacinity.

[TK421]

10. I'm sorry to hear that, however....it is not just bars that is the problem here

that happened to me several times in bars....other social situations ( well, I'll say it...when alcohol is involved ) it tends to happen.

I want it to be know that I am NOT the culprit in these situations....that is very, VERY important to note here....I seem to be made a target when I am totally keeping to myself on these occasions.

[Bucky]

17. maybe you just have a punchable face

I go to a few bars, at least a couple are a bit seedy. We're talking about downtown Houston--it ain't Philadelphia, but it ain't Marin County, either. I've variously sat alone and with friends. I have never ever gotten into a bar fight. I've been around a couple, but they don't come to me.

I'm not blaming the victim here, don't misread me. But if this is an ongoing problem, you really do have to look at the critical variables. What could it be besides you?

[TK421]

22. Punchable face....lets see....I HAVE been called a "pretty boy" on several occasions

You know what? I think you hit the nail on the head there! I think that's the real problem!

You see, I'm ( for the most part ) clean-shaven just about every day ( no beard, no manly-man ) and every time a commercial for Cialis comes on the TV, I don't shout " Don't need that shit, man! My woman can't get enough of me!" Or the cheerleaders for the football teams...oh god, the testosterone just POURS out on that!! " OH, I would do that one, and that one, and that one....that one, she would let me cum in her mouth for the right price".

Yeah.....that's right...I've heard this shit, and it makes me ashamed....

[BeachBaby]

36. And people ask me all the time why I can't find a nice guy

where I live.

THANK YOU for describing the 98% of men who live here.

I feel your pain. :P

[TK421]

41. .........

:hug: for the un-shaven un-manly man here......

[TK421]

45. You were the girl at the prom who never asked me out for a date!

shame on you!!!!




haha!!!!#!@#$ YOUR LOSS!!!!!

[BeachBaby]

50. LOL!!!!

OMG. That's....that's.....just wow. Wow. :rofl:

I just thought of something though....these guys who seem to zone in on you....is there any sort of pattern you're seeing in their ages? Are they a bunch of college-age kids? Older guys who hate their lives? And how old are you? Are you the same age range as they are?

[TK421]

51. What...are you kidding? That's a snapshot of me@

it's on the internet..why should you NOT believe me!@!@!@@!@@!!!!!!!!!#@424

[TK421]

53. I am lousy at guessing ages....but I guesstimate between thirty eight

and fifty? I don't know!!

[BeachBaby]

57. Wow.

Okay - I don't know how old you are, but I'm assuming in that same age range?

The reason I was asking, is because in my experience, it seems that certain age groups hang out in certain bars. I rarely do the bar thing anymore, because I'm not much of a drinker (although lately.....:P ) - but when I go to bars, I am very selective about where I go, because of the kinds of people who patronize the joints.

There is this one bar, at a golf course, that I like to pop into, every once in awhile. And I'll tell you why - it's usually very quiet, and the same 5 men are there all the time. They are old veteran Tuskegee Airmen with great stories to tell. I love hanging out with them, when time allows. :) Where else can I go to have a cold one, and get an education at the same time? :P

Now, THAT is a cool place to go. And no fights.

[TK421]

59. I'm 33...and this place is a pretty mellow bar

really no outbreaks of violence here! ;-)

[Tuesday Afternoon]

56. Please tell me that has been photoshopped.

dear gawd!! -- 'roids anyone?? :wow: :puke:

[TK421]

60. You know, I'm not really certain

this was a hot-link from Google images.....I can't vouch for it! ;)

Although...these days nothing surprises me....nothing at all

[BeachBaby]

11. It's a Philly thing, honey.

My brother deals with this shit on a regular basis, too.

What section of Philly are you in?

[TK421]

13. Not living in the city at this time...I've been living in Bristol Borough the past

seven years....I grew up in Northeast Philly ( Parkwood Manor area ) have you noticed a certain animosity towards Philly residents here? I certainly see enough Pennsylvania bashing here from fucking idiots who have only seen one area of this state ( Oh god....calm me down here...calm )

You know where Franklin Mills is, right? I pretty much watched that mall being built...we played in the construction area when they brought down the old Liberty Bell race track area....

[BeachBaby]

20. I know of every place you mention.

The most familiar areas to me are Mayfair, Bustleton, Oxford Circle, Frankford/Germantown, and Manayunk.

If there's one thing they all have in common, it's the douchebags you're dealing with on a way-too-frequent basis.

Hang out in South Jersey - we're cooler here. :P

:hug:

[TK421]

25. That may very well be my next destination!

:toast: the ass-holery is getting deep here!

[flvegan]

15. Wait...you hate other guys that aren't in the "culture" you're not in?

I think you probably meant the opposite, that you hate the knuckle draggers IN that culture.

[TK421]

19. Go to post #16....and here I am, minding my own business

just trying to "enjoy" an evening ( my right, huh? ) but some testosterone junkie has to ruin it for me? Yeah..I'm going to get pissed...more especially if I don't intentionally hold a conversation with them when they display random acts of rudeness.....

[flvegan]

26. I hear you.

One of the reasons I don't go to bars, etc. Violence has become simply too common and accepted. On top of that, EVERYbody fancies themselves a UFC pro at this point. Idiots.

[TK421]

30. UFC pro.....god, you are SO right on this!

Listen....this bar is literally ( and I do mean literally ) right down the street from me, just a block...and the temptation to go there and drink after work is very strong. I know it draws some negative attention here and now, but for the most part this establishment does NOT tolerate violent, aggresive drunks....they flag them after two if they think they are a problem there. They know me here...I spend lots of money at this bar every week ( I'm embarrassed to say what my monthly tab is here....hey, FLVegan....come here for some drinks! ) and it is a high-class bar....this is the place I'm talking about, .....

http://www.kginn.com/

[BeachBaby]

34. Whoa! I've been there!

Went there with a boyfriend, many moons ago. Nice place.

Just goes to show that assholery exists everywhere, I guess. Even in nice areas.

[TK421]

35. Sorry I missed you there!

;)

[flvegan]

38. Wow.

Even as a vegan, that menu made my mouth water. Definitely sounds like the opposite of a dive.

[TK421]

42. They are totally awesome....and that's just their bar menu!

[TK421]

46. Never said it was a dive, though...some of my past bar experiences have been at

local dives....that's what gives Bristol a bad name! ;)

edited to add: they DO cater to a Vegan menu here! ( hint, hint, FLvegan..come ) heh?

[LeftyFingerPop]

21. Happened to me last year.

Bar...

Closing time...

I was trying to text...bouncer slammed my phone shut.

I got pissed...fight stance...entire bar surrounded me.

No one came in...I picked up my coat and walked out.

I was shaking for hours afterward.

Sometimes...shit just happens to you. People abuse you, and if you are at all proud, you find that you just can't or won't take the abuse.

What I did was totally illogical, because they would have put me in the hospital. But sometimes it just happens.

I hope this never happens to either of us again, I truly do.

Probably better to swallow your pride than to get fucking killed.

[TK421]

27. Yeah...I wouldn't put myself in that situation, the fuckers are not worth it!

I'm just saying that I have a problem with the fact that I can't go out, have a good time ( my job sucks, I should be able to do this ) without getting harassed by a bunch of fucking so-called badass alcohol-fueled, testosterone-pumped fuckwits ruining MY evening! That is all I ask...

Philboy....do I ask for much here? Please say no?

[LeftyFingerPop]

28. No! I don't think you ask for much.

I think the key to these situations is to avoid the places where this might happen.

After my incident, I told myself I would stick closer to home, or perhaps not go out at all.

I think that ANY bar, after midnight, is a haven for trouble.

I'm 50 years old now...I can't be dealing with these idiots.

Bar fights scare the shit out of me.

[TK421]

32. This took place at around 6:00....

people started coming into the bar around that time.....I imagine there were those of different opinions during that time that came in and expressed their displeasure at the inauguration ( keep in mind, though...that some of these individuals are with the town "committee"

[MadMaddie]

23. Just curious are you big and muscular?

It seems that some men want to prove to themselves and their friends that they can best another guy who they feel inferior to in some way.

There are a lot of insecure people in our US culture and we see it everyday...

Venting is good! It's better than landing in jail right? It's not the first punch that's always seen....(the one thrown by the other guy)..

[TK421]

33. I'm thin, fairly built....and slim ( 6'3..180 ) I get quite a bit of the "mister clean" types who

fuck around with me...again, I might add...for no-apparent-reason!

Let them...the responses from this thread have made me feel better about this situation...I was looking for some degree of confirmation, and it has been found! :thumbsup:

[ghostsofgiants]

37. I'm around the same size as you and have never had that kind of problem.

(Actually much scrawnier.)

And I hang out at hardcore shows, which can have some of the most meatheaded, testosterone addled, aggressive motherfuckers you're likely to meet outside of a gym.

[TK421]

48. You are one lucky motherfucker.... not in a bar n/t

[flvegan]

40. Exactly, and that's why I stay out of bars, etc.

See my above post.

Especially since that sort of wank usually has a pal or two around, and it turns into two on one once the instigator appears to be getting bested.

On top of that, I don't believe in violence, but I'm afraid of what I might actually do to somebody.

[TK421]

55. I don't believe in violence, myself...but if I am pushed to the limit

well.....that's a different story, but yeah...I just go there to be alone for the most part

[UTUSN]

39. Once you STAND UP FOR YOURSELF and make a scene & you get a REP

they oughten to mess with you again. The word spreads.

[TK421]

43. I appreciate your sentiment...but in particular Establishment, that attitude

is not welcome in the least.......

However..my friend, I WILL stand up for myself in the future and make a scene....because I'm all about making SCENES...





and isn't that a beautiful one?

[Rabrrrrrr]

44. Muscle/Athletics men are very much filled with abject fear of any man who isn't a muscle-bound

piece of shit like them.

Unfortunately, by sitting alone, you completely symbolize the differentiated male who does not need to define himself by muscles or ignorance, but is actually happy and content with the silent self, spending your time in thoughtful repose instead of violent tribal games, ceaseless pumping of iron, or other idiotic fucking macho man idiot time wasting behavior/attitude.

The fact that you are okay with your masculinity without pissing testosterone on the floor or beating a woman is what so alienates and terrifies the muscle man.


But, the good news is this - all you have to do to stop them is to actually look them eye like an alpha dog and tell them to go fuck themselves. They will wither and collapse to the floor like a piece of overcooked broccoli, because muscle men are just little pussy fearful child-cowards in the skin of a man.



I was, as I'm sure you all realize by now, a super geek scrawny weakling with the IQ of a genius and the attitude of a world leader in high school,.constantly teased and abused the muscle jocks - but, the moment I finally stood up for myself and pushed them back, they cowered in terror and - this is really no shit at all, but absolute truth - they actually moved around me in the hallway.

Child-boy useless wastes of flesh is all they are.

[LeftyFingerPop]

47. .

[TK421]

49. I just read your post...twice, in fact

and...don't take this the wrong way...but I think I'm in love with you

[BreweryYardRat]

52. Body language, maybe?

I'm pissed off a lot of the time -- and I have never had anyone start shit with me when I'm walking around in a seething rage.

Conversely, when I'm relaxed, I occasionally get bothered by chest-beating Australopithecus-throwback jackoffs.

Maybe you're unknowingly giving off body language that makes these idiots try to start shit?

Assholes like these don't expect people to stand up to them. Telling them to fuck off and leave you alone might be enough. In case it's not, and if you're constantly getting harassed at your regular bar, talk to the bartender/bouncer right when you come in next time, see if they'd be willing to overlook you bouncing a bully's skull off the bartop a few times. As a regular customer and good spender, they might cut you a little slack.

[TK421]

54. If it's my body language...there are plenty of patrons who have worry here...

I do nothing but sit there and drink my beer...watch the TV they have there. It is ALWAYS someone who comes in and decides to sit next to me ( or someone down the other end ) who just wants to know my life story, and when I tell it to them, they want to take me outside and rape me ). Bunch of savages in this town, I tell you....

[TK421]

58. Ugghhhh....let me just end this by saying that I don't like guys who are

the type that come into ( not just bars, any public environment ) that flex their so-called "muscle" and act like they are the shit....I am NOT impressed...no matter who reads this, tell your friends, who may fit this description, that they are NOT what the general public wants in a human being...but that they are fucking EMBARRASSING THEMSELVES....if you know someone like this, get them some help......FAST, before some "innocent" patron at a bar who is easily offended puts a bullet into them... ( there is no scientific evidence thus-far that a persons muscle-mass improves their survival rate concerning a bullet wound ). It has happened far too many times...stop the madness..

That is all....I am tired now, I will be going to bed right now...good night, DU

[Lethe]

61. it's a bar

that shit happens.

[LeftyMom]

62. Generally the best way to break people of that habit is to fuck one up.

Word gets out.

Disclaimer: This poster is not a pacifist, a doormat, or even especially nice much of the time. Never, ever follow her advice under any circumstances. She only gets away with this shit because she's tiny, female and cute. If you're not at least two of the three, this sort of nonsense will get you arrested.