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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 11:03 AM
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If you really want to piss off a bureaucrat that you're dealing with
request a copy of your file under the Privacy Act.

I like redacting as much as the next guy, but this is obscene. I've literally got a 2 foot tall stack of paper in front of me.


No good will come of this, I assure you.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 11:07 AM
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1. Which bureaucracy are you dealing with?
If it's them trying to get at me, I usually just pretend like I don't understand a single word they are saying, I also ask questions completely irrelevant to the conversation.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 11:10 AM
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2. I'm the bureaucrat!
Me waste morning redacting. Me no like.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 11:11 AM
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3. Are you dealing with FOIA requests?
Federal?
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 11:13 AM
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4. It's a Privacy Act request
The file, the whole file, and nothing but the file (except for where I have to go through and redact other people's Personally Identifiable Information (PII)).


There's loads of PII up in this one, too. Sigh.


I'm a Fed.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 11:20 AM
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7. So Privacy Act is dealing with other federal employees.
n/t
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 11:24 AM
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10. No...
It's the mechanism by which our office provides people who've filed claims through us with a copy of their personal file.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 11:27 AM
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11. If I wanted to request a file about me from the federal government.
I would use Privacy Act and not FOIA?
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 11:31 AM
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15. Yeah
Edited on Fri Dec-12-08 11:32 AM by MrCoffee
Of course, they would actually have to have a file on you, and departments like DOJ or DHS might be a teensy bit stricter than we are about the exemptions to the Act, but that's what I'd recomment is use the Privacy Act.

A PA request is far more comprehensive for an individual seeking their own records than FOIA, and much much easier to request.

Of course, it will piss off whoever has to process it and no good will come of it.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 11:15 AM
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5. I wonder if there are any pages...
Edited on Fri Dec-12-08 11:16 AM by redqueen
where you could block out words and have the remaining words be a nearly-unidentifiable quote from some movie.

I don't know what made me wonder that, though. :crazy:
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 11:17 AM
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6. See, you make redacting fun!
I was leaning towards creative origami, but there's no way I'm folding that many cranes.

I bet I could get most of the script to Caddyshack out of this giant stack.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 11:20 AM
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8. My mind works in weird ways...
I'm glad you find the idea more fun than crazy. :D

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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 11:23 AM
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9. Thom Yorke's giant red eye of doom is compelling me
I just redacted the scene where Bill Murray is talking about caddying for the Dali Lama.
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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 11:29 AM
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12. you should black out words in such a way to make the file read as ominously as possible.
:D
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 11:30 AM
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14. That works, too. n/t
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 11:33 AM
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16. The awesome part is that 95% of the file is stuff the person requesting it sent in
It's documentation they should have sitting right in front of them. The other 5% is stuff we mailed to them.

Here's to a pointless waste of a morning!
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 11:30 AM
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13. Bureaucrat's revenge
Redact everything on the files of someone named Smith -- except for the last name.
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