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teach1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 07:07 AM
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Teacher needs Ecstacy...
...information.

I like to enhance DARE lessons in my classroom with a more truthful look at drug abuse. However, I'm getting old and have little knowledge about club drugs such as ecstacy.

Mainstream drug abuse information paints MDMA as dangerous - brain and kidney damage, serious psychological effects. I remember that warnings about popular recreational drugs in the past were overblown, so I'm wondering: What's the real scoop on ecstacy?

Thanks!

PS: Links to alternative ecstacy sites don't work on the schools' computers. They're all blocked.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 07:14 AM
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1. The Real Scoop
... would get you fired.

The toxicity of Ecstasy has been vastly over-rated. Nearly all the studies showing toxicity did not control for body temperature. Ecstasy causes an increase in body temperature and a corresponding loss of water -- the anti-drug forces would have you believe it destroys the serotoninergic system in the brain. All it takes to stay healthy on Ecstasy is more fluid.

Still, teenagers are better off without it.

If you want to be subversive, maybe you should promote the idea of "KNOWLEGE: THE ANTI-DRUG".

--bkl
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 07:24 AM
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2. Some info:
Far be it for me to warn anybody about the dangers of ecstasy, but X is a dangerous drug that few people bother to educate themselves about it before using.

Personally I'd never use it because it has not been around long enough to gauge long term effects. Plus, X is sometimes cut with Strychnine to increase volume for the seller and enhance the high.

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MDMA (Ecstasy)

MDMA (3-4 methylenedioxymethamphetamine) is a synthetic, psychoactive drug chemically similar to the stimulant methamphetamine and the hallucinogen mescaline. Street names for MDMA include Ecstasy, Adam, XTC, hug, beans, and love drug. In 2002, an estimated 676,000 people in the U.S. age 12 and older used MDMA.*

Research in animals indicates that MDMA is neurotoxic; whether or not this is also true in humans is currently an area of intense investigation. MDMA can also be dangerous to health and, on rare occasions, lethal.

MDMA exerts its primary effects in the brain on neurons that use the chemical serotonin to communicate with other neurons. The serotonin system plays an important role in regulating mood, aggression, sexual activity, sleep, and sensitivity to pain.


Health Hazards
Cognitive Effects
Chronic users of MDMA perform more poorly than nonusers on certain types of cognitive or memory tasks. Some of these effects may be due to the use of other drugs in combination with MDMA, among other factors.

Physical Effects
In high doses, MDMA can interfere with the body's ability to regulate temperature. This can lead to a sharp increase in body temperature (hyperthermia), resulting in liver, kidney, and cardiovascular system failure.

Because MDMA can interfere with its own metabolism (breakdown within the body), potentially harmful levels can be reached by repeated drug use within short intervals.

Users of MDMA face many of the same risks as users of other stimulants such as cocaine and amphetamines. These include increases in heart rate and blood pressure, a special risk for people with circulatory problems or heart disease, and other symptoms such as muscle tension, involuntary teeth clenching, nausea, blurred vision, faintness, and chills or sweating.

Psychological Effects
These can include confusion, depression, sleep problems, drug craving, and severe anxiety. These problems can occur during and sometimes days or weeks after taking MDMA.

Neurotoxicity

Research in animals links MDMA exposure to long-term damage to neurons that are involved in mood, thinking, and judgment. A study in nonhuman primates showed that exposure to MDMA for only 4 days caused damage to serotonin nerve terminals that was evident 6 to 7 years later. While similar neurotoxicity has not been definitively shown in humans, the wealth of animal research indicating MDMA's damaging properties suggests that MDMA is not a safe drug for human consumption.

Hidden Risk: Drug Purity

Other drugs chemically similar to MDMA, such as MDA (methylenedioxyamphetamine, the parent drug of MDMA) and PMA (paramethoxyamphetamine, associated with fatalities in the U.S. and Australia) are sometimes sold as ecstasy. These drugs can be neurotoxic or create additional health risks to the user. Also, ecstasy tablets may contain other substances in addition to MDMA, such as ephedrine (a stimulant); dextromethorphan (DXM, a cough suppressant that has PCP-like effects at high doses); ketamine (an anesthetic used mostly by veterinarians that also has PCP-like effects); caffeine; cocaine; and methamphetamine. While the combination of MDMA with one or more of these drugs may be inherently dangerous, users might also combine them with substances such as marijuana and alcohol, putting themselves at further physical risk.


Extent of Use
Community Epidemiology Work Group (CEWG)**
CEWG members monitor drug use data sources for 21 metropolitan areas nationwide. In many of these areas monitored by CEWG members, MDMA, once used primarily at dance clubs, raves, and college scenes, is being used in a number of other social settings.

The number of MDMA emergency department (ED) mentions decreased in 11 CEWG areas from the first and/or second half of 2001 to the first half of 2002, with a significant increase reported only in New Orleans. The highest numbers of MDMA ED mentions in the 2002 period were in Philadelphia, Miami, San Francisco, Atlanta, Los Angeles, and New York.


2003 Monitoring the Future Study (MTF)***
MDMA use decreased in each grade, continuing the decline that began in 2002. Past year use among 8th-graders decreased from 2.9 percent to 2.1 percent; from 4.9 percent to 3.0 percent among 10th-graders; and from 7.4 to 4.5 percent among 12th-graders.

For more information, please visit www.ClubDrugs.org and www.Teens.drugabuse.gov.




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* The 2002 National Survey on Drug Use and Health (NSDUH), produced by DHHS’s Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, creates a new baseline for future national drug use trends. The survey is based on interviews with 68,126 respondents who were interviewed in their homes. The interviews represent 98 percent of the U.S. population age 12 and older. Not included in the survey are persons in the active military, in prisons, or other institutionalized populations, or who are homeless. Findings from the 2002 NSDUH are available online at www.DrugAbuseStatistics.samhsa.gov.

** CEWG researchers meet twice yearly to share emerging trends in drug abuse for 21 major U.S. metropolitan areas. This report was based on data published in the CEWG Advance Report for June 2003. CEWG reports are on NIDA’s Web site at www.drugabuse.gov.

*** Conducted annually since 1975, MTF assesses drug use and attitudes among 8th-, 10th-, and 12th-graders, college students, and young adults nationwide. The survey is conducted by the University of Michigan’s Institute for Social Research and is funded by NIDA. Copies of the latest published survey are available from the National Clearinghouse for Alcohol and Drug Information at 1-800-729-6686 or may be downloaded from www.monitoringthefuture.org.

Revised 2/04


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Heyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 12:11 PM
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3. The biggest danger of it I think...
Is impurities, cuts and substitutues....

PMA for example (paramethoxyamphetamine) can kill you..., alot of times they are cut with meth, DXM, caffeine, ephedrine... all of which are much more dangerous than real X

It's getting something you THINK is real mdma but it's not that is the most dangerous. A product not of drugs, but of the prohibition.

Thank God for dancesafe

Heyo
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 12:15 PM
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4. X messes with your moods
The chemical receptors that regulate hormone levels in your brain shut down after heavy and prolonged X use. Know any ravers that are really down-in-the-dumps and can't seem to get happy?

That's why.
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Lizz612 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 12:28 PM
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5. I would like to recommend
"Illegal Drugs: A Complete Guide to Their History, Chemistry, Use and Abuse" by Paul M. Gahlinger, MD. It is a very comprehensive book, very recent. It covers the highest level controlled substances only, no alcohol. It has a chapter on Opiates, Marijuana, and Ecstasy and each of the other drugs on that level (Level 4 I think). The only problem is that it costs over $20, so see if you're library has it. I've read it three times and am seriously considering buying it.
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teach1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 02:50 PM
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6. Thanks for all of the help!
Lesson accomplished!
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regularguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 03:07 PM
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7. I'm not a proponent, but at least one major study
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 03:35 PM
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8. well it used to be a legal OTC drug so obviously it isn't that dangerous
If you remember the early 1980s, it was the ephedra of its day. Didn't really do anything, didn't really hurt anything. Some people felt they felt more loving and idealistic while on ecstasy. Of course Nancy Reagan couldn't have that so they made it illegal. I think all the crap about kidney and liver damage is a recent invention. Everything causes kidney damage in rats if you give them enough, even water. I never noticed it doing much of anything at all if you ask me, and I suspect it's perfectly safe, and no one would be in the least bit interested in it today if it hadn't been made illegal and had a big mystique attached to it. Just my humble opinion. Perhaps others see more in it than I do. I take it you never tried it? Any "dangers" are, yeah, invented and imaginary in my non-professional opinion. Aspirin is more dangerous.
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