I've been watching the Star Wars movies in order the last few nights.

[Critters2]

Tonight--Episode V:The Empire Strikes Back

I'm reminded what a crush I had on Luke when first I laid eyes on him!

[mcctatas]

1. Luke?

Han Solo is where it's at!

[Critters2]

4. I think I'm so lacking in self-confidence that I don't even get crushes on

fictional characters who seem unattainable. Luke seemed doable!

[Orrex]

2. Which order?

4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 3

or

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6


If you watch in "chronological" order, the three prequels totally gut the character of Vader in the original trilogy. I mean, it's hard to think he's a bad ass for choking Admiral Ozzel when you realize that, on the inside, he's that whiny kid who can't act.


Also, the great revelation of "I am your father" is entirely destroyed if we watch the prequels first.


YMMV, of course!

[Critters2]

3. 1,2,3,4,5,6...and you're right. Darth Vader seems a lot less scary this way.

And I've noticed some continuity problems. Like that Obi-wan seemed to have no idea who C-3PO and R2D2 were. That seemed wrong.


edited because I misspelled C-3PO.

[DarkTirade]

5. Not to mention that Yoda wasn't the one who trained Obi-Wan in the prequels...

although there might have been some training when he was younger, since Yoda worked with the 'younglings'.

Also, Anakin wasn't a 'great pilot' yet when Obi-Wan met him. He barely knew what the hell he was doing in the cockpit of that shiny Naboo starfighter at the end of Ep. I.

[Critters2]

6. Yeah, they do build Anakin to be some great wise warrior-sage,

when he was just a whiny, spoiled brat.

[DarkTirade]

7. I've always seen the prequels as fan fiction

that just happens to be written by the original author. :P

[Critters2]

8. That's about right! nt

[DarkTirade]

9. I did like the character of Qui-Gon though.

In a time when the Jedi order is getting old and stuffy to the point of being ready to collapse in on itself, he was willing to seek out new things and try new ideas.

Of course, that ended up getting him killed, but hey, that's to be expected. When you step outside the normal boundaries you could get hurt. But if he'd stayed safely inside them, Anakin would have never been trained, the Emperor would have still taken over, and there would have been no right-hand man with a spark of good left in him at his side to throw him into the Death Star reactor in RotJ.

[Critters2]

10. I dunno. I think he should've seen where things were headed.

Anakin seemed pretty obviously not Jedi material, I don't care how big his midi-chorian count was. But your point about the Emperor is well-taken. Even though I can't forgive him for offing all the younglings. I mean, geez!

[DarkTirade]

13. Even those who spend most of their lives trying to keep an open mind

can still sometimes be blinded by faith when they're not paying attention. :P

[Chovexani]

23. Really BAD fanfic

Written by monkeys on a crack binge.

I prefer to ignore their existence entirely and pretend Knights of the Old Republic was the prequel.

[Orrex]

25. All the prequel I need is the opening title sequence of Episode IV

Drop me right into the action and I'm good to go. None of that interminable Senate stuff and no god damned Jar Jar, either!

[pokerfan]

11. In ROTJ Leia tells Luke that her (their) mother

died when she was very young but that she was "very beautiful and a little sad."

In ROTS we learn that their mother died in childbirth.

:wtf:

Best viewing order:
4, 5 and maybe 6.
Burn the prequels.

[DarkTirade]

12. Maybe 6?

But... but... 6 has the EWOKS! :P

[pokerfan]

14. Ah yes

How could I forget the beginning of Lucas' long slow descent to the dark side of merchandising.

In one of the early drafts, Endor was going to be the Wookie planet. That would have rocked! The teddy bears was so obviously a marketing decision.

[DarkTirade]

15. And the smaller costumes and houses probably made for less strain on the budget.

:P

[XemaSab]

16. Yeah, but then you have to go round up a bunch of dwarfs

I mean, you could probably get some wookies down at the soup kitchen and pay them 20 bucks to be extras, but the midget union... you don't want to mess with them! :scared:

[DarkTirade]

17. Yeah... it's never a good idea

to rile up somebody who doesn't have to kneel down to use your hemina-heminas as a punching bag.

[Love Bug]

18. She could have been referring to her foster mother

not knowing that she wasn't her birth mother.

[pokerfan]

19. "Tell me about your mother, your real mother."

Why would he say real mother unless she knew that she was adopted?

[DarkTirade]

20. He knew she was, she might not have.

That, and George sucks at writing dialogue. :P

[Orrex]

21. Yeah, that's a weak spot. Just like the deep Hoth-smooch when she "knew" he was her brother

Here are a few possibilities that strain believability to varying degrees:

1. It's a false but real-seeming memory cobbled together from stuff she was told in early childhood. I know people who claim to remember being in the hospital nursery right after they were born, and I know one guy who claims to remember being circumcized as a newborn. The better explanation is that they're manufactured memories that seem real to these people. Leia may have done the same: For a long time after Padme dies, Bail flaps his gums about how sad she was to have been directed by the worst hack in all of modern film, and toddler-Leia picks up on this and crafts it into a first-hand memory. Happens all the time in real life.

2. It's a "Force memory." A weak excuse, but why not? Leia is shown to be Force-sensitive, so maybe Padme's trauma and sorrow left an imprint on her, or Leia was otherwise able to discern these on a semi-conscious level.

3. Leia is humoring Luke. Heck, he had that bad car accident, he lost a hand, and he starred in Corvette Summer. Leia probably thought that it would be best to tell him a story consistent with what his fragile psyche was hoping to hear.


Heck, take your pick! Any one of them would play better than those crappy prequels that fell out of Lucas' ass.

[pokerfan]

22. In one post you have put more thought

into the plot than Luca$ ever did.

[Critters2]

24. Yeah, the Hoth smooch was downright Angelina Jolie!

Just creepy!

[RT Atlanta]

26. Enjoy ESB tonight!

That one, now known as Episode V, is the best one of the whole lot in my opinion.

[Orrex]

27. Definitely the best

It's an entirely different kind of film making, compared to the other two and the other three.

[RT Atlanta]

28. And how!

I couldn't agree with you more. To me, ESB also has the darkest and mature overtones (rather than the Jar Jar Binks crap that is too immature for my 4 year old). Too bad George couldn't have let Kasdan direct the rest of the series!

[Deja Q]

29. 4, 5, 6, and just pretend 1, 2, and 3 were a bad dream some 6 years in the making...

1-3 kill the whole saga, never mind 4-6 had to be retconned to follow suit - and disproving the bollocks idea that Georgie Pordgie had thought out his "9 part saga" from the very start. *bzz*, NOT!