The first Carlin anti-eulogy

[pokerfan]

It amuses me right now to know that he's learning the hard way that atheism turns out not to be the correct point-of-view on the universe...

http://scottbarbeit.gaia.com/blog/2008/6/tim_russert_and_george_carlin

[Ptah]

1. .

But even with the differences in worldview, many of his observations of the silliness inherent in American life since the 1960's are spot-on, and no one was more ruthless, and ruthlessly funny, at pointing them out.

I will miss him, a lot. We've lost one of our best tonight, someone who did it for over 50 years at the top of his game, through controversy and arrests and Supreme Court decisions.


http://scottbarbeit.gaia.com/blog/2008/6/tim_russert_and_george_carlin

[Kutjara]

2. Actually, the eulogy is pretty respectful and positive.

The blogger does lean towards the narrow-mindedly and wackily spiritual (the link to the "Spiral Dynamics" website, in particular, was a hoot) and has very clichéd ideas about atheism but, that aside, he seems to genuinely value Carlin's work.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

3. "I love him, he was a great guy but he's in Hell and I'm mandated to believe this is a good thing."

The blogger is obviously an intelligent and caring person. It's a disgrace that he has that nasty mind-virus.

[Kutjara]

4. He reminds me of a little girl who used to live near me.

I was talking to another neighbor (who happened to be Jewish) in my front yard, when this girl ran up to him, visibly upset. "Jake, Jake," she cried, "My mother just told me you're Jewish." "That's right, I am," Jake answered. "But you're so nice," the child replied, "It's just not right that you have to burn in Hell when you die."

It's like some computer program kicks on in these people's minds and overwhelms all sense, decency, and rationality.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

7. And you replied, "That Hell thing is bullshit. Clerics use it to scare people into staying."

If you didn't, you wasted one hell of an opening.

[Kutjara]

9. Actually, we both gently tried to teach her that faith...

...is a personal thing and that nobody is really in a position to know what will happen after we die. She wanted to know more, so we told her a little bit about other religions and even about (shock, horror) no religion at all, all the time emphasizing the point that what's important is being good and helpful to others. Both Jake and I felt we'd brought a little light into the world, and were quite smugly satisfied with ourselves.

For about fifteen minutes. Then the girl's hell-bitch fundy mother came charging towards us with an actual Bible clenched in her hand and her face a color I thought only achievable by the genetic augmentation of tomatoes. We were treated to the most rabid, fire and brimstone, end of the world, heathens and demons and perdition, spittle-flecked, convulsive rant I have ever experienced, before or since. Jake, obviously, had personally killed Christ and would therefore burn forever, QED. It was a wonder, she opined, that "Hebrew filth" like him didn't have horns and a tail, or had his parents cut them off when he was a baby, so that he could pass for "normal?"

I was apparently even worse than Jake, because I'd been brought up Christian (even if only Catholic), and then willfully turned my back on "The Truth" (I had unwisely admitted to being an atheist). This conscious betrayal had, I was informed, earned me even harsher treatment in Hades than Jake because, she conceded, he had merely been unfortunate in being born into "the wrong faith."

All this happened not in some stereotype Alabama trailer park, but in upscale Clayton, Missouri, three doors down from Vincent Price's house and next door to where Tennessee Williams used to live. Everyone in the area was a doctor, lawyer, celebrity or something similar (needless to say, I was just renting a room in someone's house :)). Yet bigotry was just as firmly rooted there as anywhere else.

[rockymountaindem]

34. I'm not surprised

Bigotry is just as bad among the privileged as among anybody else.

[pokerfan]

5. Well, I have to admit

that I stopped reading when I got to the author's "amusement" at Carlin's afterlife.

I saw enough of that from the fundies when Sagan died. Didn't want to read any further.

Of course I had to look at the freeper board. Some of them are beyond amused. They are laughing their asses off at the thought of Carlin burning in hell.

[Kutjara]

6. Not realizing of course that, under the tenets of their own faith,...

...they're lining themselves up for an eternity in the lava hot-tub. Ain't hypocrisy grand?

[pokerfan]

8. From freeperland

1. He has heart attack.
2. All goes black
3. He 'comes to', and ...
4. "F**K!!! F**K!!! I was WRONG!!! I'm SORRY!!! OH SH!T!!! NOOOO!!! FORGIVE ME!!! OH NOOOOOOO!!! NOOOOO!!!! PLEASE GOD, I DIDN"T KNOW... HELP ME!!! HELP ME!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Saw the same post last night on the imdb board but it looks like it was removed.

[Burma Jones]

10. Hey, is that a Jack Chick Comic?

These people just love the idea of Hell as revenge on those that disagree.........

What a lousy way to live.

[pokerfan]

12. I had to google 'Jack Chick'

I get the impression that they are non too fond of reading over there so comic books graphic novels might be more their style:



More Carlin condolences from freeperland:

RIP where ever you are...

Have a nice day!

The main originator of foul mouth media.

I won’t be crying for this man.

An atheist does not go to Heaven!!

He was nothing but a bitter old man at the end of his time and a dreanged leftist at that with a touch of hypocrisy tossed in for railing on about big money and greed while he charged big $$$ for his shows and lived the high life.

He said anyone that believed in God had mental problems. Imagine how surprised he is at this moment.

Wonder what ‘Ol George said today when he saw that “Invisible Man”

I won’t miss the guy one bit. How’s that “afterlife” George?

Carlin was a bitter, old liberal man who never learned a damn thing through life.

He believes in God now

Carlin was a repugnant creature.

The "Boss" doesn't greet anyone that way unless one first admitted his being "Boss" in this life.

This Christian doesn’t believe in praying someone into Heaven. If he rejected Christ in this life, God is not “all-forgiving” now that he’s on bended knee before Him now. The time to gain forgiveness from God ended when Carlin took his last breath here with us. God is not “all-loving” either. He hates sin. He turned His face from His own son at the cross.

What's the hippy dippy weatherman's forecast for tomorrow? More torment with intermitent pangs of remorse?

Unless he repented, he is in torment tonight.

he will answer when he faces the big man.

[Kutjara]

15. "An atheist does not go to Heaven!!"

Terrific grasp of the obvious there, Spunky. And here's one that'll really blow your mind: we don't want to! Why? Because it doesn't fucking exist! Even if it did, it would be the most boring place in the universe, stuffed full of sanctimonious finger-waggers and fundy fucknuts, so why the hell would anyone with any sense want to spend eternity there?

[pokerfan]

16. Sounds dreadful

I wouldn't last five minutes.

"According to Christianity, eternal suffering awaits anyone who questions God's infinite love. That's the message we're brought up with: Believe or die. Thank you, forgiving Lord, for all those options." - Bill Hicks

[jobycom]

35. Oh, I'm an atheist, and I'd love to go to Heaven.

It seems pretty cool, and if the Bible is right, there wouldn't be any fundies or Republicans there. It's hard to read the Bible and not conclude that Jesus came here just to condemn people like those who "worship" him the loudest.

But, alas, I just don't believe in it.

[AnneD]

50. It is sure gonna piss the religious right off....

when they discover just about everyone gets into heaven and the truly bad are not tortured by God-what they do to themselves might be a different story.

I want to be sitting at George's table, laughing my ass off. You can't convience me that laughter is not in heaven.

[Kutjara]

11. Pathetic.

These guys read way too many Chick tracts.

I wonder if there's a Buddhist equivalent:

1. Freeper has a heart attack.
2. All goes black.
3. He comes to, and...
4. "Baaaaaaaa"

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. Meh.

"The blogger does lean towards the narrow-mindedly and wackily spiritual "

Well then he apparently wasn't paying that much attention to Carlin.

[Kutjara]

14. True enough. I am somewhat confused by...

...the fact that he both likes Carlin's humor, yet despises the philosophy that underpins that humor. My guess is that he didn't get it and was just laughing at the "dirty words."

[hellbound-liberal]

17. I was surprised when I looked at the site where this was posted

It is supposed to be a place where people can come to seek personal growth in understanding and spirituality. Guess old Scott has some growing to do.

[Kutjara]

19. Yeah, he sort of misses the point of that, too.

Poor old Scott's not the sharpest pin in the cushion, is he?

[ElboRuum]

40. One does not dismiss ones own views...

...by offhandedly casting them off as a joke.

Sorry, I brook the narrow-minded no quarter, regardless of how prettily their wrap up their ugliness.

[jobycom]

44. On the other hand

they kind of read like the words of someone struggling to understand contradictions in their own beliefs. I remember going through that as a teen believer, wondering why if Jesus were "the way," people who weren't Christian could also be good. So maybe he's searching.

[ElboRuum]

46. I'd like to say that this was the case...

...but the way it reads, he's already done his searching and made up his mind.

[Danger Mouse]

18. How precious.

:puke:

[jobycom]

20. The worst part of being an atheist is not believing

that these folk will ever find out they are wrong.

Oh, the plight of my people, doomed to an eternity of never getting to rub their faces in it.

Oh well, lucky I'm not vengeful. :)

[hedgehog]

21. Watch out - I tried posting that thought in different words over in GD

and got spanked for it! I have to say- your version is better than mine!

[jobycom]

24. Hehe.

I edited it several times to get that nuance correct. Let's see how I did. :)

[pokerfan]

28. That's the best part of heaven for them

Laughing at all the stupid souls being tormented in hell while patting each other on the back for guessing correctly. It's very exclusive, the ultimate gated community.

[Skittles]

31. people who would laugh at the pain of others

would not get into heaven

[Connonym]

32. if they did I sure wouldn't want to go there

but on the other hand if god is all forgiving even Hitler and Nixon are potentially in heaven

[Skittles]

33. aw it's all a bunch of nonsense anyways

yes INDEED

[Connonym]

36. that's pretty much my take on it

but all the years of catholic indoctrination have a fraction of me still scared. My game plan is to live an honest life and if that's not good enough for god maybe I'd prefer not going to heaven. I don't intend disrespect for people who believe (so long as they aren't preaching at me) but the way a lot of them portray god as vain, needing adulation and vengeance doesn't seem like what I'd want a god to be. Hell, if I want that shit I can pray to Zeus, yannow?

[Skittles]

37. the sheer arrogance really kills me

yesterday a couple miles from here a guy speeding in a SUV ran a red light and killed a family of five. After he crashed into their fan he rolled over a truck. The gal who was driving that truck said, "I'm here because the good lord saved me." What kind of arrogant piece of shit thing is that to say after three children and two adults have been killed? Ugh, I cannot stand them.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

39. Well, if there is a heaven, they'll be in for quite a disappointment

My feeling has always been that a true loving God would never keep anyone out of his kingdom simply for not going to the right church, or any at all, as long as that person led a good life, helping others, showing compassion, etc.

If there is that heaven, these assholes will be whining......"But...but....HOW COME THEY GOT IN TOO!!!???". Or better yet....."They got in and I DIDN'T????".

[pokerfan]

43. "Believe in Me or die!" - does that really sound like a loving creator?

"God says do what you wish, but make the wrong choice and you will be tortured for eternity in hell. That's not free will. It's like a man telling his girlfriend, do what you wish, but if you choose to leave me, I will track you down and blow your brains out. When a man says this we call him a psychopath. When god says the same we call him "loving" and build churches in his honor."
- William C. Easttom

[hedgehog]

22. WHat's going to happen when all the people rubbing their hands with

glee at the notion of George Carlin facing the Lord get to Heaven themselves and find George and the Lord trading jokes?

[jobycom]

25. I suppose they'll tell God that he's not pure enough for them. nt

[hedgehog]

26. Come to think of it, that's exactly they told Jesus!

I don't know where ANYONE gets the idea he'd enjoy hanging around with Bible thumpers!

[jobycom]

27. I think they get that idea

from the Bible thumpers, not the Bible.

[elshiva]

23. SIGH!

George Carlin, the man, the genius, missing him tonight.

[ismnotwasm]

29. He compared George Carlin

with Dennis fucking Miller. I had to stop reading right there. How do you use a perfectly good brain and come up with that shit?

[DarkTirade]

38. I'm guessing the writer wasn't using one.

:shrug:

[Skittles]

30. the arrogance is astounding n/t

[Fire Walk With Me]

41. I don't feel a need to read any more than the sentence in the OP.

Technically, according to the traditions I've studied (and have had some little experience confirming, as can anyone else who seriously tries), consciousness moves to a state of syntony after the death of the body, upward or downward regarding density and beliefs. Anyone familiar with lucid dreaming has an idea of how we create our reality in those realms. "What Dreams May Come" taps these traditional teachings.

There is more, but it's too much to post for now.

Carlin is sorely missed. He ruled...

[ScreamingMeemie]

42. To be amused would be wrong, right? I mean Jesus wouldn't

want us being amused by the eternal damnation of one of us, would he???

[ashling]

45. My dad was raised Baptist but became a staunch atheist

He used to joke that he already had his ticket punched. Anyway, my brother went his own way into some sort of spititualism/religion thing. After my dad died my brother said something to me about if he "met him on the other side...." I said, "I wouldn't worry about meeting Daddy on the other side. If he's there, he'll be incognito."

:shrug:LOL

[HEyHEY]

47. To quote George; "I am so sick of these FUCKING CHURCH PEOPLE!"

[HEyHEY]

48. that dude changed it! The sentence you have isn't there now

He lightened it up

[pokerfan]

49. What a fucking weasel

I'm sure he's still amused on the inside.