Red Sox Are NOT Morally Superior to the Yankees

[Yavin4]

First full disclosure. I am a Yankees fan, and congrats to the Red Sox on their success. However, can we cut the crap about how the Yankees are the "Evil Empire" and how the Red Sox are somehow morally superior??

First of all, calling a baseball team "evil" is silly and stupid. It makes you sound like Bush with his Access of Evil speech. The Yankees are a big sports business, and they spend a lot on their team because they generate a ton of revenue. If that $200 million payroll didn't go to the players, it would wind up in the pockets of extremely wealthy owners. It's not like the general public would ever see the money, and as a Yankees fan, I can tell you that a large payroll does not translate into championships. In fact, it's just the opposite. There have been a lot of players taking advantage of the Yankees spending without putting forth the effort.

Second, the Red Sox recent success is because they employ the EXACT SAME business tactics that the Yankees use to build their team. Notably, they buy their players. On the Red Sox 2004 championship team, there was only ONE HOMEGROWN every day player, Trot Nixon. Everyone else was either a free agent acquisition or acquired through a trade.

This past off-season, the Red Sox out bid every team in MLB, $51 million, for the rights to negotiate with Dice-K, the second best starter on the team. The $51 million is equivalent to the entire payroll of the Colorado Rockies, which is $54 million. Also, the Red Sox bid was $16 million more than any other team in MLB. The Mets were 2nd at $35 million. So, don't say that the Yankees made them bid that much.

Red Sox fans sound more and more like the DLC every day. You do the EXACT same thing that the Yankees do, yet you want to appear as morally superior to the Yankees at the same time. You cannot have it both ways. The Red Sox are winning championships because they employ the exact same tactics as the Yankees to achieve their success. So, if the Yankees are evil, then you are evil as well.

[Drum]

1. Thank you,

from a Yankees fan, who lives in NYC and enjoys seeing the games, watching the sport...the same way fans from anywhere enjoy their local teams.

:hi:

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

70. And being born and raised with them like many fans I'm with you

But I really couldn't care less what Red Sox fans say

[Yavin4]

82. But The Media Picks Up The Meme

Which annoys and irritates me because the clear lack of objectivity reminds me of political coverage.

[Phillycat]

2. Wait for it! Here it comes! It's coming around the corner now! Hang in there!

[Blue_Tires]

3. but the Mets ARE, baby!

lol

[flvegan]

4. They're athletically superior. That's what counts.

Besides, the Yankees have farty pants (except Clemens, who rules).

[Redneck Socialist]

5. Heh, heh, heh...but 'Evil Empire' is FUN!

C'mon, Lucchino dubbing the Yankees the "Evil Empire" was a stroke of genius, not to mention hysterically funny. It sums up the feelings of jealously and frustration engendered by years of coming in second to the Yankees and boils those feelings down into one memorable, pithy little humorous phrase.

Perfect really.

Sure my beloved Sox have become just another bloated mega-spending team (in an effort to compete with the Evil Empire I might add) but as you pointed out about the Yankees, they have the revenue to spend so why not spend it on players and field the best, most entertaining team they can. (shrug)

The Sox are in no way "morally superior" to the Yankees, but they are to me at least, the good guys and your guy are, well, your guys are...









(wait for it)...











...evil.




:evilgrin:

Tip o' the Red Sox cap to ya and here's hoping you enjoy the World Series.

[A-Long-Little-Doggie]

6. I think that the evil empire tag originated before John Henry et al.

when the Yanks were kicking our butts for all those years. And now John Henry, Larry Lucchino, and Theo Epstein are doing the things that make us competitive with the huge salaries of the Yankees. Their other option was to keep things status quo and allow the Yankees to win the division every year. I can't tell you, from a Red Sox fan perspective, how refreshing it is to have a competitive team after all these years.

The Red Sox salaries are still less than 75% of the Yankees', even with Daisuke. I think we are just a little bit better at building our team. If the Yankees cut out that $29M salary for Mr. April and spread it around to some other good players they may get a World Series ring some time this century.
:evilgrin:

[Beer Snob-50]

7. first off, agreed the sox are not morally superior to the yank me's!

the evil empire line was a stroke of marketing genius nothing more, nothing less. i have had a dislike for the yankees for many years. the sox are now doing the same as the yankees but the yankees have done it for so much longer and boston is just now catching up.

[tuckessee]

8. I love Yankees vs. Red Sox battles!!

It's like watching Stalin & Hitler go at it. Every issue is like Stalingrad .

BTW, I'm a Cincinnati Reds fan so I don't have much else to do but enjoy everyone else's BB misery.

[Throd]

9. Morally maybe not, but definitely genetically superior.

[Yavin4]

10. I Just Love The Complete Lack of Humility and the Braggadocio From Red Sox Fans

Thank you all for proving my point, and welcome to the "Evil" club.

[sniffa]

13. oh that's rich!

can i get a 26 RINGS! 26 RINGS! 26 RINGS!

:rofl:

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

42. Obviously no you can't!

Ha ha!

[sniffa]

89. fine

i'LL go Look up your gLoating posts myseLf. :eyes:



:P

[Phillycat]

15. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

You're right. If there's one word I'd use to describe the Yankees, it's "humble".

:rofl:

[redqueen]

46. *snort*

nice one :)

[MissMillie]

24. I'm a Red Sox fan....

what did I say that showed a lack of humility?

Of course, I most certainly do revel in the fact that the Yankees are not still in it, but beyond that....

what?

[redqueen]

11. It's fuckin SPORTS!

:rofl:

[Forkboy]

12. Yeah, but they're evil and STILL playing.

:evilgrin:

[MissMillie]

25. Forkboy...

:yourock:

[bigwillq]

14. Great post!

And I believe only 3 players are left from that World Series championship team.

[Marrah_G]

16. The hell they aren't!

:rofl:

You ARE the evil Empire!

:rofl:

Yes....in all seriousness.....we hate you ALL.

:evilgrin:

MUhahahahahahaha

[SoxFan]

17. Blah Blah Blah Blah

[baldguy]

18. Yankees suck! Always have, always will.

[Yavin4]

28. So Do Bald Guys

So there.

[baldguy]

72. At least I'm not a YANKEES FAN!

Yankees Suck! And their fans are SUCKIER!

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

64. The record books clearly back you up on that

[Deep13]

19. Isn't it great that the Red Sox are morally superior to the Yankees?

:hide:

[madinmaryland]

20. "Access of Evil" Huh? Did that blow in on the Santana Winds?

:rofl:

[bigwillq]

21. Somebody called the Sox

Evil Empire North...another DUer in another thread a few days ago. I liked that one a lot. :)

[madinmaryland]

22. When he said Bush's "Access of Evil" is what cracked me up.

Just amused by the grammar! "Axis of Evil"

[MissMillie]

27. Ya know... I used to like you.....

:silly:

[bigwillq]

36. I still like you.

:) :P :hug:

[Yavin4]

23. Sorry, I Was Writing In A Hurry

Forgive me, Oh Lord of Correct Grammar!!! Grant me mercy.

[madinmaryland]

26. No problem! I had just posted about the Santana Winds, when I saw your

typo. I actually read the posts, at least!

:hi:

[WilliamPitt]

29. .

[Yavin4]

31. Love That Red Sox Fan Complete Lack of Humility

Congrats and Welcome to the Dark Side.

[WilliamPitt]

35. Pot meet kettle

Do you really want me to go dig out some of your more famous vomit-bombs from the Sports forum?

Ya know, all those threads from back when your team didn't suck ass and fire good managers?

I'd be happy to, just so we can compare and contrast your Yankee Assholery to whatever Red Sox Assholery there is to be found here.

I think you'll fare poorly in the comparison, so maybe...shhhhh...is the best advice for you.

Oh...and "just wait 'till next year!"

Heh.

[wicket]

39. Hey New York! There's always football season!

:rofl:

[WilliamPitt]

43. Well, the Giants *are* playing pretty well. They've won 5 in a row.

And they're the last game of the year for the Pats.

Hm.

;)

[wicket]

54. Hahahahahahaha

Can you just *feel* the electricity in the air here in Boston? CAN'T WAIT FOR 8! :)

[Marrah_G]

86. OOOOOooooo Git him Will ! ! !

[WilliamPitt]

67. See post 65.

[wicket]

37. Help me Steinbrenner! You're our only hope

:rofl:

[WilliamPitt]

38. I just peed.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[wicket]

41. Muahahahahahaha!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[krispos42]

30. Okay, the Yanks and the Sox are morally equal

But the Yanks and their fans have arrogence an order of magnitude above anybody else.

That is why it is enjoyable when the Yankees lose.

[Yavin4]

33. Are You Reading The Posts From the Red Sox Fans on This Thread?

Don't you see the bragging and the boasting? I even said "Congrats to the Red Sox", but I'm still labeled a cry baby by the Alpha DUer, WilliamPitt.

[krispos42]

34. They're in the World Series. They just broke an 80-year dry spell

They're entitled. They haven't been doing this for a century like the Yankees fans have.

Tell me, when's the last time you've mentioned in casual converstation how many World Series rings the Yankees have?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

69. You mean the 26 rings

today for me

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

44. Incorrect. I worked in Hartford for 2 years. That's the gaza strip of the rivalry

And 9 out of 10 Red Sox fans were complete assholes about it

[krispos42]

59. I'm from Fairfield County

The Yankees side of the state. They weren't any better about it. It gets old really fast to keep hearing about how whenever the Yankees lose, "they beat themselves". No credit given at all to the other team, regardless of which team that was.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

63. I never say that. I hate that whetther we win or lose we get no credit.

It's "you bought your wins" all the time. But that's how haters are.

[wicket]

85. Rodney Dangerfield, is that you?

"No respect!"

:P

[Critters2]

84. Well said...

[DS1]

32. I, for one, don't buy into that Evil Empire garbage, even if I do think

Steinbrenner is a scumbag.

It's all about money in the long run. Better teams bring in more money, you gotta spend more to earn more.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

40. Are you trying to reason with Red Sox fans?

good luck

[WilliamPitt]

45. Is your avatar Geordi LaForge in rugby gear?

Classic. :)

[redqueen]

47. I thought it was Newcastle's home kit.

:shrug:

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

50. Yup - it's Geordie Geordie

[redqueen]

53. *snort*

Brilliant! :rofl:


You rooting for the gunners on Sunday?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

56. Absolutely! Oh and we beat Spurs for you on Monday to put them 3rd from

bottom.

[redqueen]

57. Hah... well done!

:toast:

I hadn't seen that result yet... so thanks. :)

Darn that Van Persie getting himself injured playing for Holland... and now Anelka injured... they were both on my fantasy team! Heh... I shouldn't complain... I transferred Tevez in. :D

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

58. I have Adebayor and Fabregas as well as Tevez. But it was my hero

Obafemi Martins who got me my points

[redqueen]

61. That guy's amazing...

some of his goals are just spectacular.

My only Newcastle player is Milner. He's good though!

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

62. We have a song for him - it's kind of odd

Jimmy Milner is Brazilian
We won't sell for 20 million
on the wing he's fucking brilliant
Jimmy Jimmy Milner.

I have him on my team too. Oh and he's not brazilian buit you can figure where that reference comes from.

[redqueen]

66. Ahahahahaha...

brazilliant!

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

48. No Geordie as a Newcastle United player. They are called Geordies for their

dialect.

So it's Geordie Geordie.

[WilliamPitt]

52. Nice.

Thanks. :toast:

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

55. I thought it was clever. But I think everything I think of is clever.

I'm a Yankee fan.

:D

[Ekirh]

49. So the Yankees are as Red Soxs ..

And Red Sox are as Yankees. . . .

Therefore . . . .

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

51. Get your chocolate out of my peanut butter!

[Marrah_G]

87. BLASPHEMY ! ! ! !

You should be hung by your toes over a fire ant hill for creating such a mosterous picture!

[porphyrian]

60. Who cares about hockey, anyway? - n/t

[WilliamPitt]

65. HEADS UP: Some examples of Yavin4's humble approach to Yankee fandom...

"If Only Your Presidential Candidate Was As Good As Your Sports Teams - sigh."

- January 18, 2005: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=215&topic_id=5021#5053

"Enjoy While You Can Sux Fans - Without Pedro, you're going no where. In fact, you'll probably fade back into the ether. As for the Yanks? Think ticker tape parade down the canyon of heroes!!!"

- March 2, 2005: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=215&topic_id=9231#9527

"omg! a Red Sox Fan Has Made Another Asinine Post - Yeah, there's this ASSinine red sox fan who keeps making several posts defending another classless Red Sox fan who thought that because he over-paid for his tickets that he has the right to interfere with a player while a game is gong on."

- April 15, 2005: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=215&topic_id=13047

"Wow! A Red Sox Fan Showed Some Maturity - Naaaah! That'll never happen. That's like Bush showing some compassion for the poor."

- April 16, 2005: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=215&topic_id=13113

"The One Good Thing About NYC Hosting the 2012 Olympics - I heard that those Olympic athlete villages become a hotbed of sex orgies after the athletes finish their various competitions."

April 28, 2005: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=215&topic_id=14105

You have to read this whole thread, May 28, 2005: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=215&topic_id=15775

"GOOOOOOOOOBBBYYYYYYYEEE!!!! - PATS LOSE!!! PATS LOSE!!!PATS LOSE!!!PATS LOSE!!!PATS LOSE!!!PATS LOSE!!!PATS LOSE!!!PATS LOSE!!!PATS LOSE!!!PATS LOSE!!!PATS LOSE!!!PATS LOSE!!!PATS LOSE!!!PATS LOSE!!!PATS LOSE!!!PATS LOSE!!!PATS LOSE!!!PATS LOSE!!!PATS LOSE!!!PATS LOSE!!!PATS LOSE!!!PATS LOSE!!!"

- January 14, 2006: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=215&topic_id=31494#31502

...and I still have ten pages of archive/current posts to review.

Yep...that's humble.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

68. That's why I don't engage in such shenanigans

it's beneath our pinstripe standards

[wicket]

71. BURNED!

:rofl:

[WilliamPitt]

74. *crickets*

:)

[Yavin4]

76. OOOOhhhh. I'm Sooo Hurt

Yeah, you showed me. I've been pwned.

Geesh.

[WilliamPitt]

77. Wasn't trying to hurt you.

Or does hypocrisy cause you pain?

[wicket]

79. So hurt you responded to the wrong poster

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Marrah_G]

88. Yes.... you have.

[Yavin4]

75. Um, Uber Duer, WillPitt, I Never, Not Once, Ever Claimed Moral Superiority

Post examples all you want. I never said that my teams were morally superior. The moral sanctimony is the province of the New England fan who cannot be satisfied with winning. No, they need to project a moral superiority element into it.

Are you gonna post examples of how you left DU as well?

[WilliamPitt]

78. *chuckle*

This is the part I like the best.

Keep going, please.

[Yavin4]

81. I'm Glad You're So Entertained

First, I congratulate the Red Sox, and you call me a Cry Baby?

Then, I lay out an argument about how the Red Sox are just like the Yankees, and to their credit, some Red Sox fans on this thread agreed with my take.

Then, you re-post some of my earlier posts on various topics for no apparent reason.

Next, you call me a hypocrite for some reason that I don't truly understand.

My only point on this thread is that the Red Sox fans love to claim some sort of "moral superiority" to the Yankees by calling the Yankees, "Evil". Yet, the Red Sox are using the exact same blueprint for building their championship teams that the Yankees used.

That's all I said.

Now, if you want to continue to attack me, then go right ahead. You're real good at this, and with each attack, you prove my original point.

[WilliamPitt]

83. More, please.

[wicket]

90. *crickets*

;)

[Deep13]

73. Both are miserable sinners compared to the incorruptible Cleveland Indians.

:popcorn:

[Marrah_G]

92. That explains the Indians being crucified!!

:hide:

I know, I know, that was mean. I blame it on lack of sleep.

[Drum]

80. On ESPN now:

"Are the Sox the new Yankees?"

LOL!

[Alter Ego]

91. I believe I hear "I'm Shippin' Up To Boston" in the background.