Someone explain to me what dumbass decided that King Crimson, Yes & Moody Blues.....

[LynneSin]

...shouldn't be in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.

These are some of the legends in Progressive Rock - get their asses in there NOW!!!

[HughBeaumont]

1. The same dumbass who made cliched-prog rock hatred vogue.

To say King Crimson, Yes and the Moody Blues aren't influential or relevant is utterly short-sighted and ridiculous. Some of the most popular arena acts today lift heavily from the first two.

[Tyler Durden]

2. I love you.

The Gospel according to Robert Fripp.

[LynneSin]

3. I love Robert Fripp - the guy was so musically amazing

One of my alltime favorite songs is "North Star" off of his Exposure solo album

[Tyler Durden]

18. I can't pick a favorite...

But the best acid trip I ever had began with the opening flute on "I talk to the wind."

We had 125 mic tabs of REAL Sandoz LSD made by Sandoz in Switzerland, and brought back by a friend whose dad was a diplomat. 2 of those for each of us, and after "21st Century Schizoid Man" had abruptly stopped, we talked to the wind.

A very musical trip, that.

[liberaldemocrat7]

48. Look at these wacky Rock t shirts I designed because I can't make t shirts with their real names

or I would get sued.

http://www.zazzle.com/maximus7/category/196569809121709539?rf=238083065491105452

[IndianaJones]

4. they'll get in when Hall and Oates gets in. nt.

[LynneSin]

5. Well perhaps if the members of these bands did steriods they might get in

:grr:

:eyes:

[IndianaJones]

10. 'roids only help to enhance performance...not create talent. nt.

[AllegroRondo]

6. or Rush

they certainly deserve to be there.

[LynneSin]

7. WHAT THE FUCK RUSH ISN'T IN THE HALL OF FAME?

What the hell is this world coming to?

First we allow a dumbass to run this country and then we refuse to put RUSH into the Rock & Roll hall of fame

:cry:

[AllegroRondo]

11. its because they're Canadian

cant have any of them foreigners!

:sarcasm:

[Dr. Strange]

54. WHY THE FUCKETY-FUCKING FUCK ISN'T RUSH IN THE HALL OF FAME??

It's such an important question, it needed to be asked again.

Hell, they should be in the Baseball Hall of Fame and the Robot Hall of Fame--just because they rock so successfully!

[jobycom]

58. Because their lead singer sucks and their lyrics sound like 9th grade wet dreams.

Could be that. :shrug:

[Dr. Strange]

62. No! You're thinking of Van Halen!

Rush is the band that came up with 2112, Tom Sawyer, Dreamline, etc.
Hell, just having a song called WHERE'S MY THING (PART IV, "GANGSTER OF BOATS" TRILOGY) should have been enough to get them into the Hall of Fame.
Although I fear that their rap session on ROLL THE BONES may have greatly hurt their chances...

[jobycom]

67. Van Halen did "Tom Sawyer" and that stupid forest song?

Could have sworn it was Rush. Then again, I don't usually stay awake long enough to hear the DJ announce the artist at the end.

[Dr. Strange]

75. Stupid Forest Song?

Nah, you're thinking of the Cure. Rush did "The Trees," a tale of such epic Vonnegutian proportions that musicians were beset by great bouts of jealousy.
Paul McCartney and John Lennon: I wish we had written that song.
Led Zepplin: Man, why can't we come up with songs that great?
Beethoven: I wish I was alive so I could write songs like that.

[LynneSin]

77. BTW - that is a great song

I love the Trees

[last_texas_dem]

8. I think it's the influence of rock critics in the admissions process

Most of them have a knee-jerk hatred of progressive rock. Other than Pink Floyd, who they probably figure they can't deny because of how many albums they've sold, I don't recall them inducting any other band even remotely resembling a prog band.

[SoxFan]

35. Billy Joel?

The Lovin' Spoonful?

These are lightweights that don't really appeal to rock critics. I'm guessing that there are more than a few retired industry a&r drones involved in the process.

[last_texas_dem]

44. Hmm... well, I don't consider the Lovin' Spoonful to be "lightweights"

and I don't know if they have that poor of a reputation among rock critics. I mean, they're not a "hard" band or anything, but their music was a pretty interesting (and pretty new for its time) folk-blues-pop-rock hybrid, and they managed to make the Top Ten something like seven times uninterrupted with their first seven single releases.

Billy Joel? Yeah, he has never been a critical favorite, so I know what you're saying there. That could be just due to commercial success, but they don't seem to make that exception for "prog" bands, other than Pink Floyd, so I don't know...

[meegbear]

9. The Pink Floyd were inducted ...

odd the others you listed weren't.

[MissMillie]

12. Steve Howe was Guitar Magazine's pick for player of the year 5 years straight

and that was back when Clapton, Page, et al were in their prime.... he belongs in the HOF

[formerrepuke]

13. Jann Wenner hates Moody Blues...........n/t

[LanternWaste]

14. I'm with you on King Crimson and the Moody Blues...

I'm with you on King Crimson and the Moody Blues (especially the Moody Blues)

But Yes? Well, they've always been a "take them or leave them" kind of band to me (although I really dig John Anderson's work with Vangelis....)

[Blue_In_AK]

15. Absolutely, LynneSin

There's no excuse ... especially the Moodys.

[SoxFan]

16. The Rock HOF is a joke

First of all, it's in Cleveland, a city whose contribution to rock and roll basically consists of Nine Inch Nails and Pere Ubu, which isn't saying a hell of a lot. If youur going to have a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, at least have the decency to put it in Memphis.

More importantly, there are some really, really questionable acts in the place:

Steely Dan: pretentious pseudo-jazz noodling
Bob Seger: A million other people did the same thing at least as well
The Lovin' Spoonful: Wimp-pop
Billy Joel: WTF?
Bee Gees: Sold a billion records, but come on
James Taylor: I guess there's no sensitive wanker hall of fame

If "influence" is a criteria, where is Television? Where is Big Star?

Prog Rock, while not my thing, is sadly underrepresented. Same thing with metal. If you're going to induct the likes of Traffic and the Lovin' Spoonful, you can't simply ignore Metallica, Rush, and the Moody Blues.

[LynneSin]

17. I would almost agree with you and consider your writings pure-genius but....

Steely Dan: pretentious pseudo-jazz noodling

:wtf:

I love Steely Dan!!!

[SoxFan]

20. I know, I know

I'm a snarky little suburban post-punk jerk! I have an allergic reaction to a lot of 1970s stuff, including Steely Dan, Elton John, and Fleetwood Mac.

[LynneSin]

21. But that's like comparing a Garden Gnome, a tube of Aveda Lip gloss and a stapler

They have nothing in common.

Steely Dan absolutely rocks!!

[WritingIsMyReligion]

42. "Steely Dan absolutely rocks!!"

My respect for you just rose several notches.

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[LynneSin]

53. I always liked Steely Dan until I saw them live back in 2000

Probably one of the best concerts I ever saw! We just danced and jammed the whole night long!

[B3Nut]

76. But the Dan were incredible

Hell, Fleetwood Mac had their moments...they were originally a blues band with Peter Green. And Elton John has penned some really solid tunes over the years, and his old bassist Dee Murray was a heavily underrated musician...he laid down some *great* lines. The line to Benny And The Jets was transcribed in Bass Player a couple months ago...some real genius in that part.

Todd in Cheesecurdistan

[ghostsofgiants]

25. Hey, Pere Ubu kick ass.

[LynneSin]

32. BTW you owe me a new 19" flat screen monitor

I kept trying to kill that damn bug of yours not realizing it was a gif file in your sig line

[ghostsofgiants]

39. Hahahaha, this bug was the best idea I've had in a long time.

:P

[Richard Steele]

49. Sheer genius, you magnificcent bastard!

:toast:

[SoxFan]

34. Not a knock on Pere Ubu or NIN...

...or Chrissy Hynde, for that matter.

Simply pointing out that Cleveland's role in the evolution of rock & roll is rather modest compared someplace like Memphis.

[ghostsofgiants]

38. Yeah, you've got a point there.

[devilgrrl]

27. The Rock & Roll Hall of Lame...

as The Velvet Underground's Maureen Tucker puts it.

[LynneSin]

28. I think I want to start a boycott

There are way too many excellent bands not in it.

I think it was the lead singer from the Sex Pistols that called the place a 'Piss Stain'. That was after the Sex Pistols were inducted into it

[devilgrrl]

30. The Sex Pistols have blown it off outright from what I understand...

I don't think they nominated themself either. And they're right, it is a piss stain.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

41. Hahaha, JT and the Dan will kick some ass.

The Rock HOF isn't really rock anyway. There're a couple of out-and-out jazzers in there for their contributions to modern music in general. Fagen/Becker of Steely Dan pretty much mocked the institution to hell. Their acceptance speech was amusing.

[tigereye]

52. Cleveland is cool

I believe that there is a lot of early rock and roll history in that city. And it is a beautiful building. You can learn a lot about the actual origins of rock and roll there and early radio.

I found it interesting...

I agree about Television and Big Star. At least Patti Smith and REM and the Ramones are there.


you shouldn't say bad things about Pere Ubu, however. ;)

[SoxFan]

55. Patti Smith

I still think she was elected by accident. They thought they were electing Patty Smyth from Scandal...:P

[RandomKoolzip]

72. Woah! Cleveland has contributed a HELL OF A LOT to the body of rock music.

Not just Pere Ubu (who fuckin' RULE, BTW), but Alan Freed, The Dead Boys, The Styrenes, The Mirrors, Peter Laughner,, The James Gang, Ian Hunter's song "Cleveland Rocks," WMMR (consistently voted #1 Rock Radio Station for most of Rock's existence; back in the 70's and 80's it was avery progressive market that would play punk rock alongside classic rock), and dozens of other mentionable others - not to mention its media infrastructure's proximity to other cities in the area allowed for larger exposure for other regional bands such as Devo, Guided by Voices, the Ohio Players, Thomas Jefferson Slave Apartments, New Bomb Turks, Death of Samantha, the Breeders, etc.

Take Cleveland out of the Rock diaspora and you take away its quirky working class aura.

That being said, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a crock of shit and ought to be firebombed. FUCK the idea of a Rock "museum" with a garden trowel. :grr:

[johnnie]

73. Not WMMR

WMMS. Just sayin' :)

[RandomKoolzip]

74. D'oh! Typo. My bad.

:silly:

[AngryAmish]

19. Why would anyone care who is in or out?

The whole thing is a silly made up thing to make money off of slack jawed knobs.

[LynneSin]

22. You are absolutely 110% Correctomundo!

I'm never going

[IndianaJones]

23. truth. nt.

[muriel_volestrangler]

24. I'll add Genesis (and/or Peter Gabriel as a solo artist) to the list

I want King Crimson in there too, of course.

[redqueen]

37. Hear hear. n/t

[mulsh]

26. erm-rock n roll hall of fame? wtf

rock n roll mausoleum more like it. the music died a second time the day they opened that tourist trap.

[LSK]

29. WHO?!?!?

:hide:

[bamacrat]

31. That is an outrage.

Court of the Crimson King and Knights in White Satin are two of the greatest songs ever.

[Rabrrrrrr]

33. Because they had to make room for *letigimate* historical rockers, like

Grandmaster Funk and Billy Joel and The Bee Gees.

[crim son]

36. Every time I see this thread I get pissed off.

Why? :shrug:

[jobycom]

59. You belong in, that's why!

:rofl:

[crim son]

60. That's it!

Why has my incredible talent been ignored? :cry:

[jobycom]

65. Many of us appreciate it.

So what if some pretentious blow-hard electors can't see it? :mad:

[WritingIsMyReligion]

40. That's ridiculous. Those are great bands.

Hall of Fame is patently ridiculous sometimes.

[johnnie]

43. Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

:rofl:



I've yet to go there and I live 10 minutes away. You don't put a state of mind into a museum, you put old bones and paintings in a museum.

[Beaverhausen]

45. I have to go to Cleveland next year for my nephew's wedding. What else is there to do there?

I had planned to visit the HOF but now think I should also boycott.

[Zodiak]

46. Oh good, my opportunity to spew venomous bile toward the RRHOF

I went this year after I graduated....it was supposed to be a big reward for me because I am a long-time rocker and I had to go visit Mecca.

It is a piss-stain, as many of you say.

For one, there are these horrible rules about no pictures......NONE!!, as if this crap they have laying around is so valuable, so badass that people the world around will clamor over badly-produced tourist photos and undercut the bands....bullshit. But whatever.

I went through it, and as cool as some stuff in there was (Janis Joplin's car was particularly fun), the place seemed so completely devoid of scope. It didn't even begin to cover even the most basic genres of rock at all. They stressed cities more than anything...and only one movement within the cities, no less.

And there was no metal at all......none!!!!!!!!

What the hell!???

How can one skip out on Iron Maiden, Metallica, Judas Priest? I mean JESUS CHRIST!!!!!!

Afer we left, we spent more time talking about what we didn't see in there rather than what we did find in there. I left with a horrible feeling that I had just fed the corporate beast by going there. Persoinally, I think there sould be a metal hall-of-fame if these assholes won't do it. And Progressive rock can join in.....at least that stuff is heavy, too.

Piss on those corporate bastards...they can suckle up to the Rolling Stones and the ashen bones of long-dead musicians who wouldn't participate in this bullshit if they were alive.

The only display I really, really thought did the man credit was Les Paul's. He was a great, great guitar player, and one hell of an influence on everyone. But that was it....the rest look sporadic, unplanned, and overly-hyped.

ON EDIT: If I ran the Metal Hall of Fame, no stone would go unturned.....even these guys would get a place.



They sucked, but they were very influential.

[HughBeaumont]

56. I think you'd probably find more memorabilia in your average HRC.

I was kind of underwhelmed for the price.

Now, when they displayed Neil Peart's kit from the Counterparts tour, and our bank held their party there . . . THAT was worth it. Also worth it was being able to see all the displays (which, out of 2000 employees, not many people were taking in) without having to tiptoe and neck-crane over ashtray-smelling hicks standing 5-10 abreast and deep in front of each one. GOD I hate that.

[bbernardini]

47. Because it's really "Jann Wenner's 'Bands I Think Are Cool' Hall of Fame." nt

[Initech]

50. As a fellow prog rock fan I agree, that's a damn shame.

King Crimson is one of the most unique acts in music. They've been together almost 40 years, recorded 15 different albums, and NONE of them sound the same. How many bands can do that?

I am also a big Yes fan, I saw them live and they were absolutely amazing. A lot of fun.

[LynneSin]

51. Yes was the 2nd real concert I ever saw

(bowie was first and then there is that Shaun Cassidy one - which I don't think counts)

I just remember Yes closing with "Starship Troopers". They brought down the 90125 logo (which ST was not on but hell it was a great show) and they had all these lights and smoke swirling as they're jamming in the last section of ST. I was hooked

Yes is #3 on my list of all-time favorite bands. King Crimson is #7 and Moody Blues wraps things up at #10

[MissMillie]

68. you saw the 90125 tour I guess

which was good

but damn! there's nothing like hearing them do the entire Close to the Edge CD.... live

[mvd]

57. Another vote for the Moody Blues being robbed

Hi, Lynne! :hi:

[LynneSin]

61. They did the poem at the Moodies concert we were at

Breathe Deep the Gathering Gloom
Watch Lights fade from every room
Bedspitter people look back and lament
Another day's useless energy spent
Impassioned lovers wrestle as one
Senior Citizens wish they were young
New Mother picks up and suckles her son
Lonely man cries for love and has none
Cold Hearted orb that rules the night
removes the colors from our site
Red is Grey and yellow white
But we decide which is right
And which is an illusion.

If there are typos mind you I did this from memory

[mvd]

63. What's your favorite Moodies album?

Mine are The Best of the Moody Blues (not a normal greatest hits - kind of an album in of itself,) and On the Threshold of a Dream.

[LynneSin]

64. "Days of Future Past" has to be on the top of the list

but yesterday I was digging "A Question of Balance" and "Every Boy Deserves a Favour" on my USB turntable.

I just downloaded Moody Blues live at the Greek and it was just an amazing experience

[mvd]

70. I don't have A Question of Balance

It will go on my wish list. Thanks.

[MissMillie]

66. To Our Childrens' Childrens' Children and

believe it or not... I really like Octave.

(and Every Good Boy Deserves Favour.... dammit... can't pick a favorite!)

[LynneSin]

69. Days is my favorite - if I had to pick #2 it would probably be the rest of them

well everything they did back in the 60s and 70s. I like a few songs off of their newer stuff but I'm more prone towards the older ones

[MissMillie]

71. To me it seemed things went downhill when Mike Pinder left

though Long Distance Voyager was OK... after that, they lost me a bit.