I think 3 years of juvenile hall is too good for those fucktard girls that burned the kitten

[LynneSin]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/07/11/BAG01QUFD11.DTL



SANTA ROSA
Girls held in burning of cat
Peter Fimrite, Chronicle Staff Writer

Two 15-year-old girls who were arrested on suspicion of trying to burn a kitten alive were charged Tuesday in Sonoma County Juvenile Court with felony cruelty to animals.

The girls, whose names were not released, stole cages of trapped feral cats from a resident's porch in the Apple Valley neighborhood of Santa Rosa on June 19, according to prosecutors and animal care officials.

The cats were going to be spayed and neutered by Forgotten Felines before being released. Five kittens and their mother were released, but the girls allegedly poured an accelerant over one of the 8-week-old kittens while it was still caged and set it on fire. The kitten suffered third degree burns over 45 percent of its body, losing its tail, the tips of its ears and much of the skin on its back, but it survived, animal care officials said.

The girls were arrested Friday and, if convicted, they could face up to three years in juvenile hall, according to Sonoma County District Attorney Stephan Passalacqua.

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Personally I think not only should those girls be left rotting in a jail but their parents should be held just as accountable for what these 2 girls did. I don't know much about you, but my parents taught me to be kind to animals. If they saw me trying something bad they would have reprimanded me on the spot. (not that I did anything harsh). And yet these 2 girls somehow managed to grow up in a world where burning animals trapped in cages is ok. They had to learn that shit somewhere and I think the parents of the girls should be held accountable for all the medical bills for that cat and the court cost for trying those 2 girls.

If you can't teach your kid proper manners and respect for society then you should be held accountable for the assisine things your children do!

[bridgit]

1. their parents should be brought into whatever mix there is as well...

you're correct in your other post, "Kids just don't do this stuff" without it were they had some sanction somewhere

[kay1864]

2. And of course, they'll get something like

Six months to a year. Bragging to the other Juvie girls about what badasses they are.

Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll run into some REALLY BIG Juvie girls.

Who are cat-lovers.

[Critters2]

3. I'd lock 'em up and throw away the key.

Cruelty to animals is a sign of worse to come. There must be a better way to word that--what could be worse than trying to burn a defenseless kitten alive? But these things do tend to progress. For the safety of animals and humans alike, I think these brats should be kept far away from civilized society. For the rest of their lives.

And yes, their parents should be help accountable. At 15, these girls have almost certainly pulled shit like this before. Their parents have no doubt had ample opportunity to do something before this.

Critters
not in a forgiving mood

[stuntcat]

13. xactly

they're clearly sickos. I mean if there's any hope at all for them it'll take more than a little scolding to fix it.
This was something I cannot ever forgive.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. I think three years is fine.

"their parents should be held just as accountable for what these 2 girls did."

Parents should be held accountable for crimes their kids commit? That's a new one.

"I don't know much about you, but my parents taught me to be kind to animals."

I don't know about you, but I often disobeyed my parents. I didn't set any kittens on fire, but if I did it wouldn't be because my parents didn't teach me not to.

[Hugin]

5. It's a terrible act those persons did...

Pretty much all I have to say on the subject. :(

[ronnykmarshall]

6. Make them pay the vet bills

Granted a lot of the services are being done free (bless their hearts), but I think the little shit should have to pay.

I still say shovelng out rhino poop at the SF zoo. Monkey poop too. One of the crazy monkeys that will throw it at 'em!

[Deep13]

7. The juvenile justice system assumes three things that do not seem to be true.

First is that children don't mean any harm. They are just misguided or whatever because of inexperience. Whether or not this is a new thing or not I do not know, but my experience is that juvenile defendants like their adult counterparts are typically amoral and just plain mean. I hate to sound like a Lieberman, but I have to think that parents just cannot compete against commercial media in instilling basic values.

Second is that parents have developed and maintain a reasonable amount of control over their children and try to steer them in the right direction. If that were true most of the juvenile defendants would not end up in court in the first place. Again, don't mean to sound like a Dobson, but the increased mobility of society and instability of the family (however you want to define that) undermines that assumption. Plus, again, parental control is being undermined by commercial culture that teaches children to be consumers not citizens, self-important not considerate and self-entitled rather than grateful.

Last, the juvenile justice system operates under the assumption that its practices can rehabilitate juvenile offenders. Well, they don't. One thing is sure. Repeat juvenile felony offenders do know that the system will not treat them harshly and the absolutely take advantage of that. That is especially true when parents are afraid to put their own feet down.

I don't know what the answer is, but understanding the nature of the problem is surely the first step in finding one.

[Withywindle]

16. I agree with this part

are typically amoral and just plain mean. I hate to sound like a Lieberman, but I have to think that parents just cannot compete against commercial media in instilling basic values.


But not the second, because I think there have always been twisted, amoral, vicious little fucks long before there was ever a concept of what the words "commercial" or "media" might mean. I don't think you can blame media for this either.

[Deep13]

17. Well, it is not so much assignment of blame as trying to...

...figure out the cause. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like a likely partial cause to me. I don't just mean incidents of violence or whatever. I mean the ads constantly telling impressionable mind that their purpose is to buy stuff and consume it. The average kid spends hours watching TV every day. That has to have some effect.

[madinmaryland]

8. Are they Michael Vick's children?

:wtf:

[billyoc]

9. Say hello to your new cellmates:

[AmyDeLune]

10. Great. Just what the world needs, more sociopaths.

Burning a live, trapped animal is not normal behaviour for any age.
Wonder how many creatures they've tortured and killed that no one knows about?
*sigh*:(

[HEyHEY]

11. How the fuck do two girls get that mean?

[idgiehkt]

14. man, I grew up with some serious mean girls

maybe not mean to animals, but little shits in every other sense of the word. Little girls can be raging assholes just as much as boys if not worse.

[HEyHEY]

15. But, it's usually boys that are sick and twisted like that

[grace0418]

12. I don't think their names should be withheld either. A crime like that, at their age,

is grounds for trial as an adult IMHO. And they should have to endure the public knowing who they are and what they did. They disgust me.

[Mad_Dem_X]

20. I completely agree

Let them be named publicly.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

18. There definitely are some scary juveniles out there

Usually, such deviancy is the result of severe abuse and neglect in childhood. Some kids miraculously survive a traumatic childhood and grow into functioning adults, but others are permanently warped.

I would bet that those girls came from the type of home where casual cruelty to both animals and humans was the norm.

Cruelty to animals is one of the first signs of a sociopathic personality. Especially since these girls are already teenagers, I would bet that there's a lot of prison in their futures.

[Mad_Dem_X]

19. Jesus Christ

Anyone who would harm and torture an animal has got to be sick in the fucking head, I don't care hold old you are. There is no excuse whatsoever for this kind of shit. NONE. :grr:

[noonwitch]

21. The firesetting/animal torture/sexual abuse connection

My guess is that one or both of these girls has been sexually abused, and not on a one-time basis. The use of fire-setting to torture an animal is the clincher.

The girls do need to be locked up, but they need some serious psychiatric treatment. 15 is not too old if they get good treatment, and truly want to benefit from it.