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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 07:23 PM
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Poll question: Which pic looks best?
Thanks!

A)


B)


C)


D)



Thanks!!
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Bronco69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 07:25 PM
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1. A toss up between
A and D so I chose D :-)
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 07:30 PM
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2. All the pics are
absolutely fantastic. Not easy to get good fireworks pictures. You must have a great camera and a lot of talent. I love the last one. Could I use it for a card?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 07:52 PM
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6. Thanks! Here are some tips...
Fireworks are difficult. I'd taken 264 snaps and I'd say only 60 were worthwhile. And even then, many of them were too "busy".

Forget the throwaway point'n'shoot cameras and don't get me started on those grotescue Advantix cameras... (Advantix' negatives are less than 1/2 the size of 35mm. Even Advantix panoramic pics (4x10") are visibly grainy, meaning they can't be enlarged and remain looking nice. And if the loading mechanism jams, you'll lose the film in the process. Don't forget, Advantix allows you to process some film, expose it, and use the rest later. It's a nice idea, but in our throwaway cheaply-built society, it's not worth having.)

Nothing less than a SLR camera is needed, especially if you're a distance away (e.g. 1/2 mile away). Preferably one with a lens that'll cover wide angles and close distances, but you want something that'll get the flares and maybe the ambient background scenery if it's regal enough. (that cathedral is regal enough, though why they didn't aim the fireworks to appear over the capitol building is beyond me...)

And if you're near cars or street lamps, put on the lens attachment that blocks out light from the angles. I forgot what it's called, but the attachment is round and extends out at least 1 inch. Glare is bad! :-)

Don't use a flash, ever! That'll do nothing at best, and create a gray background at worst. I had a few pics, fortunately very mediocre ones anyway, ruined because a person 20 feet from me used a point'n'shoot camera with flash. Although I could correct the gray, it's better to have an ounce of prevention over a pound of proverbial cure that may not work anyway.

The key is to use a slow speed film (ISO 100 or 200) with a lower f-stop (f8 for ISO 100, f11 for ISO 200). Don't use a fast film (ISO 400, 800, 1600) with a higher f-stop (<8. The lower the # means the greater amount of light goes through the lens, which in turn overexposes the colored light and makes it all white.)

Add in good timing (starting ideally when no fireworks are launched and taking a mental picture at the same time and guessing when to close the shutter).

And get a manual REMOTE shutter release, not to forget a tripod to keep the camera sturdy on... wobbling with an open shutter is the problem here.

It can get very expensive, mostly because of timing and angle. (also use Fuji film to capture blues and greens; Kodak puts emphasis on reds and skin tones... slide film also works the best but costs MUCH more to buy and MUCH MUCH more to develop. Top quality 35mm film plus Photoshop to enhance the colors works best. Also note, these images came from prints. I am going to re-scan the negatives and do better color correction/enhancement...)

To see all the pics, go to www.thermodynamic-online.com/photography for the main menu. (I do need to look at all the categories and weed out the worst pics... Mixing the mediocre with the good isn't exactly helpful... :D )

But I'm not an expert yet. I had done some photos of my parents' cats. I had to use the flash because the interior light was awful and faster film (ISO 800 or 1600) is just too grainy for my liking. I found that removing kitty red-eye (or yellow-eye depending on how the cat's eyes are) is virtually impossible to do convincingly.

Good luck!
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 07:32 PM
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3. find a better spot for your sig in #3
Edited on Tue Jan-20-04 07:46 PM by DS1
and it's a winner
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Fixated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 07:35 PM
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4. .....
I'm fairly into photography, and I think C stands above and beyond the rest. Perfect position for the fireworks and the building.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 08:11 PM
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8. I tried numerous angles and zooms
Edited on Tue Jan-20-04 08:11 PM by HypnoToad
It adds to the randomness of the concept. I concur the location of the building is perfect, and the flare/burst pattern was reasonably good too. (heck, I can digitally erase the small streak going over the cathedral, it's the only downer that pic presents...)

I also favor B, but I think C is the best...

Thanks for the input (to all too!)

On edit: I like most of A & D except they're too "busy"...
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 07:45 PM
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5. Wonderful looking pictures!
I know absolutely nothing about art or photography but these look great. I chose B for no other reasn than I liked B better than the others. And while I consider myself a moral person who doesn't steal, I have decided that B will become my new desktop background.

BTW... I love the building in the background (foreground? underground?). What and where is it?
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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 07:53 PM
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7. Hey
I've asked you this before, but what settings on your camera do you use for your fireworks pictures? I've been fiddling around forever and nothing comes out the way I want it to. What do you use for your shutter, f-stop, etc?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 08:16 PM
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9. See #6, but with additional comments...
First, I apologize for not answering! I probably didn't see the message and I never check for private mails.

Beware of SLR cameras that don't have adjustable f-stops. The Minolta Maxxum 300si is one of those (the Maxxum 5 model is vastly superior and is what I had used when filming the fireworks...)

Also, I've kept from digitally photographing fireworks because most cameras lack the smaller f-stops needed (8+). The Sony Mavica CD500 goes up to 8, but if you choose to keep the picture, it takes 20 seconds to write it to CD. This is an eternity as the fireworks people won't stop just for the benefit of photographers. :-) I recall the lenses that come with the Canon Digital Rebel SLR camera going up to only 5.6. x( 5.6 is nowhere near adequate. Eventually, diogital photography will get there - which will be great because it'll be a huge savings in film related costs, but that day isn't today. Not for the budgets of most (A $2000 digital SLR might have all that's needed, and anything above 5megapixels is going to work for 13x19" or larger prints. 6mp can easily do 20x30"...)
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 08:23 PM
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10. as an artist,
i like a and d. but d seems the most pleasing color and composition wise.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 08:36 PM
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11. Wow, there's a difference between scanned negs and prints! (a new tip)
These above were all scanned prints.

The negatives are considerably different. Namely in the fact that the green got processed as green and not a greenish white and the cathedral is more whitish, rather than yellow.

Looks like I've got a lot of re-scanning to do. Doing it from the negatives and letting the computer alter the color saturation et al seems to be the better alternative.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 08:45 PM
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12. Well, I didn't vote for any of them, but NOT cuz they are bad pics
.
.

It's the signature that bugs me

I think a smaller sig in either the bottom left or right would be more appealing

I set them all as "wallpaper" numerous times, and B looks great except for that signature off to the right of the "castle" ?

as is - I would have chosen C as I didn't even NOTICE the sig line until about the fourth round of setting them as Wallpaper

I think if you can put ur sig on the bottom left of "B" with that one streak that comes down in that corner to blend in with one of your sig "swirls" - you'd have a winner !

(well MY vote anyhoo !)
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 09:03 PM
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14. I will be re-scanning the images...
I'm starting the work right now. The new sig will be smaller (it is a bit large...) and the colors considerably more accurate. (Depending on the circumstance, I don't put my sig into the prints though... but that's another story and I'm not here to peddle. :D That's what those starving artists sales are for. :-) )

As the negs aren't in 4:3 ratio like a computer screen, you'll have a border on the top and bottom of your screen... I could chop off some of the edge, if it's all black... :D

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montana_hazeleyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 08:54 PM
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13. b. is most pleasing to my eyes.
I guess the signature's a little big. But they are all terrific
Montana
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