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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 06:48 PM
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Want a new digital camera that functions like a real 35mm
Any suggestions? I have a regular Canon 35mm but would like something similar to it in a digital format. I am looking for a serious photographer but relatively inexpensive camera. Right now the one i have only has 2 megapixel range and I would like more. Any help would be appreciated! I'd like to be able to take pictures in Spain without bringing both the digital and standard camera.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 06:50 PM
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1. Oh, damn
I thought you were offering me one.

A year or two ago I could have told you anything you needed to know. But I haven't dealt with digital cameras since then, so I don't know what is out now.
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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 06:51 PM
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2. I realize I'll never fully duplicate the 35 mm effect
but i'd like to get close to it :(
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Waistdeep Donating Member (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 07:27 PM
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3. Doesn't Canon have a <$1000 Digital SLR coming out?
The Digital Rebel. It should be showing up in stores soon. Since the digital sensor is slightly smaller than 35mm film, the equivalent focal length of a given lens is larger by a small factor (1.3 or 1.6?), but I think it can use Canon EF lenses.
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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 07:35 PM
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5. I wish I had 1000 dollars.
that looks perfect! :(
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 07:33 PM
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4. Canon Digital Rebel - limited operating temperature
0 - 40° C / 32-104° F


http://www.canoneos.com/digitalrebel/specs/

Overall has some very nice specs, but I'd want to take pics at 10-20 degrees F as well. But if you never use the camera outdoors...

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jonoboy Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 07:44 PM
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6. I have the CanonD60.fantastic..but newer models are cheaper and
better..also Nikon now have the equivalent..should get it for about $1K US..I'm a freelance news photographer and it's actually increased my income because everything is so much faster.
Depending on the lens you have..I think I would prefer the Nikons..but check out the internet camera review sites
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 11:05 PM
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18. I'm definitely not a professional, but I like Canon's lenses better...
If for no other reason, they offer a wider range if IS (Image Stabilized) lenses, which work wonders for hacks like me :)
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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 11:07 PM
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19. I prefer Canon to Nikon too
without a shadow of a doubt
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 07:49 PM
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7. My kodak easyshare is ROCKIN.. I love that hing. I travel with it
everywhere, and I like that I can zoom in and out...

Try one out, see how easy it is to manage.

We took it to europe for a month and downloaded all the pix to my laptop and burned them to a cd as we traveled. VERY VERY handy.

ALTHOUGH the software sucks. HIGHLY recommended you download using XP.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 08:18 PM
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8. yeah, the rebel but it's $1000 right now
Will be $500 in a few years.

I adore my HP Photosmart 850 with its 8x optical zoom and 7x digital (very macho zoom capability). That's in the $400 range. The Photosmart 950 (0r 935 or something) is the same camera but with a better resolution (5.3 megapixels vs. 4.1). It's also in the $400 range.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 10:39 PM
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16. Avoid HP...
Products are of mediocre quality, and the CEO is human garbage, dissing Americans by saying how jobs have to be competed for... (in other words, foreign outsourcing will force americans to adopt a much lower standard of living) including her own job, I sincerely hope...
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 08:20 PM
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9. Canon
Do some quick research.. I think a few of the Canon models let you use your current lenses. Not cheap themselves.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 08:28 PM
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10. Sorry, you'll have to either get lucky for a bday
or wait until prices drop for a true SLR-style digital.
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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 08:39 PM
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11. grrr
that sucks :(
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 08:45 PM
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12. eh, buy an inexpensive beginner film camera
You can still learn a lot with the old flintstones method ;-)
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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 08:54 PM
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13. I have one already and develop my own film.
The point was I didn't want to bring a whole lot of film with me on my trip and keep track of all those rolls of film.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 11:10 PM
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21. ..or get a D30...Even at 3.2MP, I get some amazing shots, and I'm
Edited on Sat Jan-17-04 11:10 PM by MercutioATC
a rank amateur...

Pick a manufacturer (you already have Canon stuff), put the money into lenses, and upgrade bodies as you're able.

I have a D30 (paid $1500, now worth about $700)
Canon 100-400L IS (Paid $1300, now worth $1300)
Canon 28-135 IS (Paid $360 used (9+ condition), now worth $360)

Glass is key.
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elfin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 09:28 PM
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14. Really like my canon S40
from last year - don't know which newer one corresponds to it - it has 4 megapixel.

You can do manual and set all kinds of controls - can't remove and add lenses - but it is very portable. Can "stitch" together frames for panorama and take very short video.

I think most brands do that now.

If I took it on a trip as my only camera, I would want to get an extra memory card. Otherwise, you would spend alot of time each day erasing pics to save room on the camera.
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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 09:35 PM
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15. Definitely would bring multiple memory cards.
thanks for the suggestion
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 12:11 AM
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29. I have 2 256MB compact flash cards and a 1GB microdrive.
The microdrive will fit about 760 large JPG shots.

Happiness is never having to choose your shot because of film costs...
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 11:01 PM
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17. I have a Canon D30...3.2MP, but GREAT pics, even at 13x19!
Edited on Sat Jan-17-04 11:03 PM by MercutioATC
You should be able to pick one up used for $600-$700 and any canon EF lenses you have will work with it.

Not my best stuff, but pics of a band I shoot...

http://slantzero.com/images/lorain_8_9/Lorain_8_9.htm

(all of those shots are straight out of the camera, shot at "large JPG" setting. No photoshopping whatsoever except downgrading them to 72dpi for the website and cropping to a standard size)
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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 11:08 PM
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20. doesn't look too bad
I'm definitely looking for a Canon, I love my Canon
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 11:13 PM
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22. The D30 is, admittedly, 3 generations old, but it has:
all the benefits of the D60, minus 3MP...

all the benefits of the 10D, minus 3MP and enhanced autofocus...

all the benefits of the Digital Rebel, minus 3MP but PLUS durability and weatherproofing...

...and it's relatively cheap.

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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 11:27 PM
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23. It takes pretty good pictures
And if i save up for it i could probably afford it.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 11:47 PM
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25. I wish I had my pics from Costa Rica online...THOSE were the great ones...
and I had the added benefit of encountering other American tourists in the rainforest while sporting my D30 with the 100-400L and being asked if I worked for National Geographic :)

If you already have Canon EF lenses, I'd say the D30 (or D60 or 10D) were no-brainers.

Believe me, you won't be disappointed.

You sound like you know quite a bit about photography. I'll have to did, but I think I can come up with roughly 1MP samples of some of the Costa Rica shots. If you're interested, PM me with an e-mail address to send to (kinda has to be broadband unless you want to wait hours).

Good luck picking out a system...congrats for going digital.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 11:36 PM
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24. I've always used Olympus film cameras . . .
and have really liked them . . . their lenses are superb . . . haven't bought a digital yet, but when I do I'll definitely check out what Olympus has to offer . . .

http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_digital.asp
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 12:01 AM
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26. What would be cool is an "Insert" for a standard film burner...
Something that you could "drop-in" where the film cassette goes, lay the CCD where the film frame used to go (might have to get the pressure plate removed for clearance) and use a memory stick or SD chip for storage.

Immagine, digital pictures from from your F-1 or AE-1 or even your Argus C-3 or a Leica III....

I'm not educated enough to come up with one. Here's the idea, somebody else get filthy rich bringing it to market...
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 12:04 AM
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27. Been done...digital backs for medium format cameras...
Have $10k or so to spare???
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 12:27 AM
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31. Sorry, I'm a little short this month.....
No Hasselblads or Mamiyas in the stable, either...:7
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 12:08 AM
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28. I just did lots of research and bought a Minolta A1
Over the past month, I looked at every digital SLR and SLR-like camera on the market, including the Nikons, Canons, and new 8 megapxel Sony. I wound up buying the Minolta A1 for a number of reasons.

It pretty much has all the features of a good 35mm but without the interchangable lens. It's 5 megapixel and has a great 28-200mm lens. The thing I like about it is that it's smaller and easier to handle than the digital SLRs, which use bulky 35mm bodies and lenses. The image quality is really good, plus you can do manual focus, aperture, etc. I really like it.

The cheapest digital SLR you can get is the Canon, which is $1000 with a cheap lens. The digital SLRs are based on 35mm bodies, which means the leans is too big for the digital sensor. This means a 28mm lens acts something lik a 42mm lens. It doesn't make sense to me.

Anyways - like I said, I just did lots of research. Ask me anything!
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 12:16 AM
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30. Great in-camera image stabilization...no shutter though, right?
I ask because the chief complaint among digital camera users is that the camera waits a second or two after they push the button to take the shot. A digital SLR gas a true shutter (thus the Single Lens Reflex name) and doesn't have that problem.

I've shot digital point-and-shoots and digital SLRs and I agree that the point-and-shoots are much more handy.....the SLRs get the picture, though.
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 12:36 AM
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32. Correct...
It's not a 'true' SLR in that it does not have a pentaprism and a mirror. No through-the-lens viewing, everything is on the LCD or electronic viewfinder. It's OK, I'm getting used to it. I looked at used Olympus E20 cameras because they had SLR shutters, but the lens wasn't wide enough. The Minolta is one of the few that goes down to 28mm.

Shutter response, however, is instant. As fast as my manual 35mm.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 03:51 PM
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33. I heard that they'd solved the lag problem...that was always my issue
with the point-and-shoots...by the time it actually took the picture, it wasn't the pic you wanted.
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