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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 09:48 PM
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What State is the most Corrupt?
My pick is Texas.
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booksenkatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 09:50 PM
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1. A toss-up between
Texas, Louisiana and (with Jeb in charge) Florida.

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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 09:50 PM
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2. Rhode Island is Up There
well, it used to be.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:03 PM
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12. RI is my choice too. I recall going to the beach in RI from CT and as
soon as you hit the state line, it's like the highway goes from smooth to a dirt road! Guess it was because of all the graft and mafia payoffs. RI used to be very, very dirty.

I suppose Texas is up there, but it's not like it's a real state.
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:48 PM
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36. If not for RI and Conn. NJ would not have perfected it.... NJ baby!
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:57 PM
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39. I third RI
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:51 AM
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51. RI
Most corrupt state in the Union.
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regularguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 09:18 AM
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56. Gotta go with RI too.
.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 09:50 PM
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3. Minnesota
Pawlenty's a real one...

Any state controlled by repukes is going to be far more corrupt than Democratic controlled states (and they're not always squeaky clean either, but the repukes are far worse, by far!).
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populistmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 09:52 PM
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4. In the past 9 years with our governor
Connecticut has gotten to a much higher level of sleaze.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 09:54 PM
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7. Rowland is a Scumbucket
You're right.
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populistmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:14 PM
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17. My dad
Is an attorney who worked for a state agency (he did planning/building/zoning related stuff). He was fired 5 years ago when he started questioning certain practices regarding contractors and state government construction and rehab projects. He still is yet to find full time work and is an independant consultant on various projects. This stuff is very personal in my family and it's bad. I was hearing stories 8 years ago.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 09:52 PM
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5. New York
The whole legislature is corrupt and the system is set up to keep both parties in a perpetual state of co-power-sharing. The Dems control the assembly and the GOP the senate. And that will not change from now until the end of time.

So if you've ever wondered why a budget hasn't been passed on time in like...50 years...that's your reason.
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Mercurius Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 09:53 PM
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6. Louisiana, not Texas.
:-)
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 12:09 AM
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43. God yes, and OVERTLY corrupt.
Maybe it's getting better since Edwards got sent to prison, but who knows.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 09:54 PM
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8. Texas
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Snow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 09:55 PM
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9. Hoooo, Nebraska. And nobody knows because nobody tells....
the local Omaha paper is part of the same corporation that owns a major voting machine company, the locals are all very trusting salt-of-the-earth type people. Yet this is where the Franklin scandal happened, and people died when word of that began to leak out. Don't mess with the BFEE.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:18 PM
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20. LOL...I'm in N E, and I've got to tell you...
these are some really good people. But the whole GOP thing is beyond bizarre, the voting habits of these people are absurd. It is as though they actually believe that the GOP is the party of God, and if some of the other Nebraskans found out someone crossed to the Dem lines, and actually voted intelligently; the whole state would have to suffer the Ten Plagues of Egypt.

O8)
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Snow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:43 PM
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34. I've gotta do one of those "You know you're in Omaha if....
Edited on Mon Jan-05-04 10:44 PM by Snow
thread. Lemme try a couple...
- you run through a yellow light, feeling bad because you cut it a little close. Then you look in the rear view mirror, and see two more people ran it after you.

- you're speeding a bit on I-80, where the limit is already 75. You see a black guy blow past you, and you wave at Ernie on his way to the state legislature.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 11:41 PM
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42. LOL...Ernie needs a....
Bert, just to slow him down.

:evilgrin:
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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 09:57 PM
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10. We cannot forget Florida!
Talk about the Sin State!
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varun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:02 PM
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11. Florida, and particularly Miami
is the most corrupt place I've seen in the USA.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:43 AM
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50. Yes, I agree with that.
I can attest to it. I lived in Miami most of my life.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 02:34 PM
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61. I agree it's florida
I have never seen so much corruption anywhere. The worse part is they get away with it.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:06 PM
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13. Don't rule out Nevada
It's a one-industry state. And that industry is...
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 02:30 AM
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47. Nah, it's a two industry state.
Prostitution's legal there too
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:06 PM
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14. According to the guy who Rowland defeated...
Bill Curry (in CT) tried to warn the state several times what Rowland was up to. They laughed at him. The Courant made jokes about Curry's weight but wouldn't cover his campaign.

In his "I told you so" interview recently, Curry said Connecticut, The Constitution State, used to enjoy a reputation as squeaky clean..."Now we're just Louisianna with foliage."

Anyway, CT and RI are pretty much tied in my book. The mayors of the two largest cites are in prison and Rowland is about to be impeached. Now THAT is progress my friends!
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:10 PM
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16. As a CT native, I have to say you're probably right--the depths of
Rowland's corruption are limitless.

Are you from CT? Doesn't the Hartford Courant suck? it's a republican-controlled rag that looked the other way while Rowland pulled all this s**t.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:09 PM
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15. You people who pick Texas have never lived here.
Edited on Mon Jan-05-04 10:09 PM by GOPisEvil
Ever hear of Rhode Island? It's generally accepted as the most corrupt state in the union. Also, Louisiana is quite corrupt.

Edit - I'm not saying Texas ISN'T corrupt; just that there are many more corrupt states.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:16 PM
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19. I think Texas native Molly Ivins might disagree with you...
...Texas has raised it to such an art form that people think it's just ordinary "biddness."
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:36 PM
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28. I was stationed at Ft. Sam Houston...
While there are some pretty good Texans, most of those I met were arrogant fools, that would do what they were told, as long as the one doing the telling has more money.

IMHO.....all of the states have problems that need to be addressed by the electorate, but nothing compares to TX. Just read anything by Molly Ivins!

O8)
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Torrey Pines Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:16 PM
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18. Yep -
Texas is numero uno! ;-)
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Mercurius Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:18 PM
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21. Oh, and what do you know...
...about Texas, and more specifically, about Texans? Answer that one! ;-)
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Torrey Pines Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:26 PM
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22. What do I know about Texas? What do I know about Texas?
I've been to Texas and I know some Texans. I even saw that movie - The Alamo. And I'll tell you something about Texans: there's only one of them that I know who can speak a foreign language - unless you want to call what Texans do to English a foreign language.

I live in California - a state that knows how to vote for the right presidential candidates. ;-)
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:27 PM
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24. Bwahahahahahaha!
I'm glad you're joking. :P Or, at least I HOPE you are. ;-)
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Mercurius Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:30 PM
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27. Oh, really?
Well, guess what, pal? Not only have I been to Texas and not only do I know some Texans, I am a Texan. And we speak English much better than our northern or western counterparts. As a matter of fact, the only Californian that I know well adores my accent. What can you say to that? ;-)

And as for The Alamo...what can I say? You watched a movie, I studied the history. :D
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:37 PM
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29. I studied it twice (Texas History)!
In middle school and in college. The college-level class was great. One lecture: "How Texas Saved Rock and Roll". ;-)
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Mercurius Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:38 PM
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30. Me,too!
Well...I will, at least. I'm taking the college-level course next fall. :-)
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Torrey Pines Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:39 PM
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31. Well, I'll be darned -
I think I finally found a literate Texan. Well, that must qualify you to be some kind of professor down there.

BTW, do you do any writing?

And, shucks, I'm sure your accent is adorable. ;-)
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Mercurius Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:41 PM
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33. Well, I'm going to assume that you aren't...
...being sarcastic or condescending. ;-)

And yeah...I do a bit of writing from time to time.
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Torrey Pines Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:43 PM
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35. Let's just say
I'm warming up to Texas. ;-)
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OldSoldier Donating Member (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:38 AM
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49. Texas will warm *you* up if you go there
It is more than slightly warm there.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 08:23 AM
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53. Not today!
:scared: It's about 30 with the wind blowing from the north. :scared:
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 02:30 AM
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46. Studied it three times and love it texas has a interesting history
The first time i saw the alamo was in school
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Pegleg Thd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:27 PM
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23. For a state that has a lot of
Bible thumping bushiters Oklahoma is very corrupt all the way from the legislature to city hall. This is especially true in the welfare and medicaid systems.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:29 PM
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25. TEXAS...the only state that thinks it is...
it'a own country, or Empire, if you're from there.

:evilgrin:
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:30 PM
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26. THINK?! We KNOW!
Texas: It's like a whole other country. :evilgrin:
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 02:36 AM
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48. Texas Our Texas
Texas, Our Texas! all hail the mighty State!
Texas, Our Texas! so wonderful so great!
Boldest and grandest, withstanding ev'ry test
O Empire wide and glorious, you stand supremely blest

God bless you Texas! And keep you brave and strong,
That you may grow in power and worth, throughout the ages long.
God bless you Texas! And keep you brave and strong,
That you may grow in power and worth, throughout the ages long.
from our state song
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:41 PM
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32. No votes for Delaware?
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:49 PM
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37. yeah, that's a pretty corrupt state
Too many businesses cheat the govt. from that state. We should just break it off and move it down to the Camen Islands.

(no offense Lynnesin) :D
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:55 PM
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38. Having worked in State Gov't ... INDIANA
Without a doubt.

:hippie:
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 11:06 PM
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40. Florida
Rhode Island
Louisiana
Texas
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 11:17 PM
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41. What about Pennsylvania
Edited on Mon Jan-05-04 11:22 PM by happyslug
We haven't had an Attorney General go to jail for about 8 years? (Another member of the GOP). Robert Dwyer (GOP) avoided jail by sucide. Now the GOP do complain of Corruption of Democrats, but it is rare for a Democrat to go to jail (It is hard to get an conviction for corruption when the Defendant is honest). I remember the Republicans complaining of the "Corruption" under Governor Shapp (Governor 1970-1978). They tried their best to tie him into some corruption in the Pennsylvania Department of Highways but he had been a multi-millionaire BEFORE he ran for Governor (In the 1950s he invented a way to capture TV broadcast and transform them onto cable. He made millions on his patents and invented the cable TV industry. He did not need any more money.)

The fact he was a millionaire did not stop the GOP from accussing him of Corruption. Even as he defended himself by saying he sold off all of his cable holdings before he was elected Governor, they still accused him of double dealing. As to the Highway Department, it had been a source of Corruption for BOTH parties for decades. Shapp actually cleaned it up, but like most people who clean up a mess, the people who benefited did not like it and did every thing they could to show he was doing it not for the public good, but for his own corrupt ends. Some of the people in the Highway department went to Jail, but no one high up in the administration. As soon as the GOP won the Governorship all investigation ended (They did not want to find any GOP corruption).

On the County and local level, corruption exists. Judge O'Kicki of Johnstown had a good racket, he would give someone the Maximun sentence and than visit him in Jail and told him how much he had to pay to get a lower Sentence. The Feds indicted him for it and than he skiped to Slovenia (where some of the locals still think he is dispite the report of his death).

I will NOT go into our District Justices (Justice of the Peace). Pennsylvania and New Jersey are the last two states that say such justices do not have to be lawyers, this is to permit all the local party bosses to be DJs and run their local communities. Other district justice exists but some of them are as corrupt (For example the one lawyer who was an Allegheny County District Justice, she would sign search warrents and than call her dealer to tell them he is about to be raided).

Justice? You are taking your chances in District Justice Courts in Pa. Most DJs are good but you have a handful who perfer power to justice (Thank God William Penn made Juries manitory in this state, and thus DJ's decision can never be final. i.e. DJ's decision can always be re-heared by a Judge and Jury.)



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phillybri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 08:22 AM
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52. In spite of all that, still Texas!
:dem:
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101 Proof Donating Member (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 12:10 AM
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44. California
or maybe Texas.
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 02:04 AM
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45. Texas...more spefically the rio grande valley
I grew up there (the tip of texas where it meets mexico.Mexican mafia/Traffiking hotspot.Seemed almost once a week a cop would get busted for traffiking or selling drugs.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 08:25 AM
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54. Oh yeah...that's true. The Valley is corrupt as hell...
Talk to the guy that works in investigations. :7
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 09:07 AM
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55. Florida is on that list, too
Not just because of the 2000 election, but for other reasons, too.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 09:19 AM
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57. Texas
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 01:58 PM
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58. DC (i know not a state) but still it trumps every thing else
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bmbmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 02:13 PM
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59. What ? No mention of Alaska?
Nice article on NBC news last night about Senator Stevens lining his pockets during his tenure in AK.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 02:14 PM
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60. Illinois breeds them young
and then branches them out all over the country. So we're the worst...seeds of evil and all that.
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 02:56 PM
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62. Hey--we passed an ethics bil!
Then the same day we offered to ignore the laws and put shrub on the ballot in return for giving Mayor Daley an early retirement bill for Chicago and waving Jesse White's campaign fines...

Illinois is a FINE upstanding political arena! :puke:

Laura
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 03:03 PM
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63. this is really sad ... Houston, we have pseudo-leader problems ...
hope we can end all this corruption ... are future leaders being groomed?

yikes
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