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romantico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 01:19 PM
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Awkward Position I found myself in today at the Library w/a young teen
Okay, I am using the Computer at my local library because my computer crashed and I won;t be getting a new one til after the first of the year. Well, school gets out at 2:00pm and is just down the street so when I am online, sometimes the kids come in. I try to be out of there because it gets pretty noisy and the Libararians are not very good at enforcing them to be quiet. Well, about 3 months agaon a young teenage girl, she can't be over 14 has been calling me Daddy. At first I just laughed. She told her friends that I was here Dad and they all believed it, I played along but tried to keep myself and say very little. As a matter of fact there have been times when I have seen her come in and have left while in the middle of something because I know its about to get loud and the kids are going to filling the place up.

Well, today I was surpried to see kids there but discovered it was half day because of a teacher conference. Now, keep in mind this young girl dresses like alot girls her age does. A+F clothes, tight shirts short skirts/shorts,etc. When I walked in She yelled "DADDY" so loud everyone in the library just stared at me. She then asked me if I could give her some money for food. I said I was broke and so on and tried to let it go at that. Then I began printing copies and she said I know you have money or you wouldn't be making copies. I gave her two dollars just to go away. She then came over sat on my lap and put her arm around me.

Please, keep in mind I come to this library everyday and have become friendly with the staff. A couple libarians saw me give this girl moeny and then saw her on my lap with her arms around me. I am VERY Paranoid now and uncomfortable. She then comes over and asks if she could give her and her friends a ride home. I got up and left and am now at another library. I keep asking myself how this all happened. I did nothing to bring this on. I know I should not have given her money but she was begining to make a scene and am EXTREMELY uncomfortable. A couple friends of mine thinks its funny but I'm not laughing. AM I making a big deal over this?
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 01:23 PM
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1. Wow, yeah, stay away, stay very far away
This totally sounds like bad news.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 01:24 PM
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2. run, don't walk, away from that kid.
three months? that's pretty weird (not on your part, on hers).
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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 01:24 PM
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3. Tell her in no uncertain terms to FO, and tell the library staff of the concerns you have about her.
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 01:25 PM
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4. You need to talk to the librarians, if you go back.
This is NOT a funny situation at all - no more than it would be if some young guy started pressuring a woman in the library for money. Do not feel embarassed about saying you do not know this girl or (politely) demanding that the library deal with her disruption.

I suspect the girl is scamming you, so that you feel obligated to give her things lest she embarass you further. But, even if she is sincerely lacking appropriate boundaries and believes what she says, she needs more help than you could provide.

Frankly, I would call CPS and say that there is an unsupervised young woman begging for money and food in the library.

Again. This behavior is just not okay. What kind of idiot asks for (let alone takes) rides from a stranger? (not that there is anything wrong with you. It's just the principle of it).
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 01:26 PM
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5. jesus you are in a situation
this girl is a manipulator and you are screwed, i don't think you can go to that library again, you must avoid this person

let's see, you've been seen giving her money and she is calling you "daddy" when you are no relation, she is painting you a pervert, my friend

it isn't funny if she is a sociopath and gets her kicks out of destroying people, i don't even know how you could even defend yourself, the circumstantial evidence that you're up to no good with her is just terrible

i agree w. you, this is NOT funny, i don't understand why you gave her money or let her touch you in the first place but since you did, all you can do now is hide and hope she finds someone else to harass

i knew a girl like this who was always trying to get people arrested or in other kinds of serious trouble, yeah, sure, a sociopath, the good part is that she could be fairly easily distracted and if one victim disappeared she would not try too hard to hunt him down, i do know people who escaped her machinations by a strategic move

if the girl doesn't know your name, address, etc, just avoiding this library is the way to go, if you run into her elsewhere pretend you don't know her and get away fast if she tries to move in on you

don't ever give this girl money again, my god, that just looks terrible



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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 01:31 PM
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11. Do you think he should warn the librarians?
If not him, then some other guy is going to be harassed.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 09:26 PM
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60. i'm afraid i agree with #7
people saw him letting the girl call him "daddy" and sit in his lap, they saw him give her money

he can "warn" anybody he likes but it will just sounds like he's trying to CYA

it would actually have to happen to another man, or several other men, before it became apparent what this teen is

i wouldn't risk going back to that library at all personally

i would come forward if i heard of another man being accused of something untoward but not before
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 01:27 PM
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6. Stay far away
Although what you did was innocent, if I found out a stranger was giving my daughter money I would have a very personal talk with them in an alley with a bat.

Enjoy your new library for at least six months.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 01:27 PM
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7. That's fucked up but I wouldn't report it.
Edited on Fri Dec-01-06 01:33 PM by LoZoccolo
I was just thinking what would happen if you tried to report this to the library to get this girl to stop bothering you and she spun some fucked-up tale for her side of the story; it would be even worse especially now that there's security camera footage of her on your lap with no sound to corroborate your side.

Switch libraries or end up on a public registry for the rest of your life due to a fabricated witch hunt stirred up by a known manipulator? I'd say switch libraries!
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 01:28 PM
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8. No, you are not making a big deal over this.



BUT YOU NEED TO.


This is NOT OKAY.



Tell the librarians what is going on and steer clear of that child. She is playing you big time and there is apparently nothing she won't do to get her way. I see this heading no place positive.



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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 01:28 PM
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9. No you are not
I have to be blunt - you made a mistake when you went along with her "little game" some time ago. Now is the time to undo that damage. You need to tell her, in earshot of at least one librarian, that you are sorry that a little lightheartedness has turned into something else, and that you are not playing along anymore. You may not like being "mean" but you now have no choice. She has problems you cannot handle.
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Montauk6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 02:28 PM
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38. I dunno, Book Lover, direct confrontation may be a Pandora's Box.
She's got 3 months of this on him, PLUS, receiving money, PLUS, inappropriate contact (on her part not his but, under the circumstances, what's the difference). He needs to, maybe, contact the librarians during a time when the little heathens are still in school. The problem (BIG PROBLEM!!) is the length of "game time" and the witnesses (who knows what patrons were within eye- or earshot?)
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 01:29 PM
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10. Make sure you're not in the library anymore after 2pm.. is what would be
the easiest.

And you should make the effort to speak plainly with the people you know there about this. Just tell them the truth, plain and simply, that this girl is freaking you out and you won't be coming in there anymore after 2pm.

That's about all you can do passively.

Your other choice is that you can ask to speak her in the presence of one of the staff members, someone you trust, and who you've told the story to, and tell her that her behavior isn't acceptable and she cannot speak to you anymore if she sees you there.

You have to be the adult in this situation. It's important to take control back from her. What's really important is not to get angry, or frustrated or to blow up. You have to take the control back by setting the rules. Make them very clear and very simple. Treat her like the child she is.

Egads, what a tough situation. Be careful, don't lose your cool.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 01:31 PM
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12. boy oh boy... are you digging yourself a hole
I think you had better...

1. Talk to the Librarians
2. Plan your trips so as not to run into this girl..
3. If this girl does this again, stop her. Tell her bluntly and loudly.. "I am not your daddy, it was funny at first but you are creeping me out".

Playing along in the first place was a bad idea.

I think you are innocent but keep in mind that some teenagers (male and female) are far more "advanced" than they should be and this girl may waltz you into a world of trouble.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 01:50 PM
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26. Absolutely
It sounds like a plan, unless the librarians have a better idea. You know your staff better than I do, but the staff in my library doesn't miss a trick. They'd know if something has been going on.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 01:34 PM
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13. Why should the OP stay away from the library?
he's got every right to go there, just like this kid does. She is way over the line, not the OP. Let the library staff know. I'd probably let the staff know the next time i was in there, and if i were there again when the kid was there, i'd let them know again.

I don't think the OP should avoid the library, just the kid. Get the staff invovled, don't go into seclusion.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 01:35 PM
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14. I think he should avoid the library because one of the librarians
saw him give the girl money and THEN she sat in his lap. What if she spins it that he offered her the money to sit in his lap?

Not worth the trouble. Go to another library.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 01:37 PM
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15. ok, that's a good point. still, an explanation to the staff would go a long way
something's wrong with this kid. either a crush or a dumb prank taken way too far or something. what if he's not the only library patron she does this too?
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 01:39 PM
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18. I agree. He should definitely say something to the librarians
to prevent anyone else from being harassed. But, I still think he should avoid that particular library like the plague.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 01:40 PM
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19. It's called the Sex Predators list - damn hard to get off of it
And if the kid starts making accusations because the OP decides not to comply anymore with the whole "Daddy" routine, this kid will scream she was molested. And once a kid screams they were molested by you, it's pretty damn hard to convince the judges otherwise.

I would search around - maybe a local community college has computers you can use or a neighbor. Perhaps you can confirm with the school when they are in session and then go when the kids are in class. I would also let the librarian know about what this child is doing so your ass is covered.

Good luck!
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 01:49 PM
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25. Is this what puritanical America has wrought?
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 02:11 PM
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34. This is what the epidemic of real sexual abuse has wrought:
The potential to destroy a reputation and life with a false accusation.
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ChoralScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 08:03 PM
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57. Being accused of it is just as bad as doing it - in the public's eyes.
I tell myself this daily, as I teach hundreds of young ladies.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 02:21 PM
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36. Salon had a great story about a family caught up with CPS
The family had taken their kids vacationing and happened to have a few pictures of their kids 'au natural'. Some clueless photo girl at the local drugstore turned the pictures into the cops. It took like three years for the family to finally clear their names of any wrong-doing but not before CPS practically ripped the family apart with the investigation.

I realize the CPS is doing their job, but someone from the beginning should have realized families take pictures. Hell, if CPS intervened with any parent that had naked pictures of the kids (I think they were all age 6 and under) my parents should have been jailed decades ago.
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shrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 03:44 PM
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48. I remember an incident from my cop reporter days
Found an item on the blotter (the name for it), got a copy of the report, but the whole thing seemed hinky to me. A nosey neighbor happened to see a naked picture of the family's daughter (three year old) in a developed roll of film. Paper wanted to go with it, but I said I wouldn't write a word until I talked with the chief, with whom I had a good rapport. He told me he thought it was a case of overkill on the neighbor's part, that he was satisfied with the parents' explanation, that people sometimes take naked pictures of their kids, etc. I never wrote the story.
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Montauk6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 02:32 PM
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40. Unfortunately, rights are one thing; but this is damage control.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 01:38 PM
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16. definitely explain the situation to the librarians
the kid might need help.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 01:39 PM
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17. Talk to the librarian...and then call CPS.
Tell them about this child so that they can look into her home situation. Go on the offensive, before you end up playing defense against false charges.
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romantico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 01:47 PM
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21. I don't think she is a manipulator
But who knows? The last thing I want to do is over react. I think I will tell the libraians but I don't want this kid to think I am afraid of her or anything. I saw a situation one day, same library that i thought was weird. A guy who I am guessing was in his late thirties was sending a resume to his boss. It had to be in by 5:00pm and it was like three minutes til. A girl, maybe 16 or 17 was right next to him and helped him out and it got sent okay with no problems. They guy thnaked the girl about a dozen times. I remember thinking to myself, 'Okay! Enough! She saved your ass, now shut up!' When i left the libray about 30 minutes later the guy was out there in his car talking to these girls and laughing and having a great time. I thought this was a disturbing image, but just walked away.Thnaks for the advice everyone! Its been a stessful week for me!
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 01:48 PM
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24. Oh yes she is!
That thing about if you can make copies you have money is very manipulative.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 01:51 PM
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27. the hell she's not
sitting in your lap, calling you daddy? this kid is three miles of bad road that you do not want to walk down, friend.
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 06:02 PM
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53. she's just a kid
acting out of conditioned behavior. I agree with everyone else, you need to stay away from her for your own sake. She'll probably keep on acting like this until she ends up with a real predator on her hands, unfortunately. She probably already has. Your reaction has been totally normal which is really cool, just be careful to not allow her to hurt you.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 06:58 PM
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55. Right now that kid does not know who he is.
Going on the offensive might only encourage this kid to come up with false charges. I would stay away from the library and find another one to hang out in.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 01:42 PM
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20. No you're not
Stay far away or expect even worse things to start happening.
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Blue Diadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 01:47 PM
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22. Have a talk with the librarians and tell them your situation and discomfort
with this girl. You not only will be protecting yourself, you will be protecting other patrons.

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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 01:47 PM
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23. "The joke is over"
I went through something similar to this with a younger student, who declared me his father to basically divert attention and to get out of work. Also, to be the clown to his friends. I tolerated it for a short while, then pushed him away when he attempted to hug me, part of the act, and got very tough with him.

Just remember, everyone around you can see how ridiculously this girl is behaving. Talk to your librarian friends, own up to your limited participation in this, and get as tough and as loud as you need to be to get this girl from bothering you. Don't give up ground, and don't give her any support or favors.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 01:57 PM
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28. No, you are not overreacting
but I have to wonder what this girl's homelife is for her to behave like that. Isn't anyone else disturbed about this?
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shrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 02:33 PM
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41. Yes
Inappropriate sexual behavior is usually a sign of abuse. And I don't think I'm going out in a limb to say that.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 03:48 PM
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49. my daugher has a classmate that behaves inappropriately and
she is only 8 years of age...

Do I think she is abused? No.. however her mother is really young, a child herself, and I think the mother treats her more as a friend than a child...and I think she really wants to be mothered instead of her mother's companion.

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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 02:02 PM
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29. I'm curious.
Do you have any idea why she glommed on to you to begin with? Had you ever encountered her anywhere other than the library? Had you made smalltalk with her anywhere?
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romantico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 02:42 PM
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42. I was wondering this myself
I am 31 years old but am told I look alot younger. Today I was wearing just jeans a t-shirt and a ski hat. Maybe they think I'm in college or something. I don't find this cool or even flattering. When she first did this I rolled my eyes and played along. I never engaged in a conversation, just small talk.

HER: Hi Daddy!
ME: Oh,..Hello.

She never really said much more than that. But today totally surprised me. She was with friends so maybe she was just showing off. Still, anyone male or female who flirts with me who is younger than 18 is just wrong!
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 02:47 PM
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43. She sounds really creepy.
She sounds like she has sociopath written all over her. Either that or she's stoned.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 02:29 AM
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70. Take a friend along if you go back there.
Cover your ass, have a witness. Take along a friend who can cover for you, Being embarrassed is a pain, but you could get in serious trouble. Because you feel bad enough to ask here tells me that it is time to put a stop to this. You have lots of good advice elsewhere here, please don't let this continue.

Probably outcomes:
1. Nothing happens. She quits, life is hunky dory.

2. She has problems in her life, is acting out with you, may get into more trouble even if you never run into her again.

3. Something happens to get you in trouble as it could sound like you were going along with this so far. She may not be setting you up, but it may happen anyway. For example, her friends are teasing her about this in front of a parent who then freaks out and bammo. You are in deep trouble.
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 02:08 PM
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30. I think you should talk to the staff...
especially since you are already friendly with them. Explain the situation and let them know that her actions have really taken you by surprise, so you will need their help in setting boundaries for this girl's behavior in the library.

I know that teens can be quite brazen and outrageous when they are showing off for their friends. And the last thing on this girl's mind is to stop and think about how her behavior could damage your reputation.

Good luck!
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 02:08 PM
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31. When I was in my teens
I had a classmate who used to walk up to men who were in the company of their wives and try to make at look as if she was having an affair with the man. She thought it was hilarious.

Yes, there are manipulative little sociopaths out there.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 02:10 PM
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33. if i was a betting man, i'd say you're right on the money.
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 02:09 PM
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32. Whether you go back or not, tell the librarians.
It is a big deal. That girl was working you, and if you've seen her before, you may have been a preselected target. There may also be other victims.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 02:15 PM
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35. that story gives me the chills.
i wouldn't go back to that library AND i would talk to the librarians.

in this day and age -- you cannot be too careful about crap like that.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 02:22 PM
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37. I would definately talk to the librarian, even if not returning
Because if the OP fails to go back to the library, the kid may start tossing a stink since she would have lost a money source.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 03:15 PM
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47. the possibilities for trouble are chilling.
and indeed -- you never know what kind of trouble this child may decide to cause.

covering one's bases in this case is a very good preemptive idea.
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carlydenise Donating Member (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 02:30 PM
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39. there is something wrong...wrong....wrong with that young lady..
Edited on Fri Dec-01-06 02:31 PM by carlydenise
You need to stay as far away as possible, also it would not be a bad idea to tell the librarians so they can be watching that kid and her friends. I sound like an old fogey, not all, but alot of today's kids are a whole different species than they were when we were young. Manipulation and hurting another is a game to some of these kids, a high, if you will...I would watch it
Carly
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 02:50 PM
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44. You've been had. Stay AWAY from that library.
Edited on Fri Dec-01-06 02:50 PM by madinmaryland
It's only inviting trouble. It is not worth the trouble you could get into.

:scared:

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SacredCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 02:59 PM
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45. That's just wierd....
I'd definitely stay the hell away from that kid. Trouble with a capital T.
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Cheney Killed Bambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 03:14 PM
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46. If she doesn't know your name
Edited on Fri Dec-01-06 03:15 PM by Cheney Killed Bambi
and you would never run into her again if you didn't return to the library, I would stay away. If you decide to report her to the library or CPS, then there is a good chance that someone of that personality type will go on the counterattack, and then you will be in a mess.

Maybe return to the library in 6 months. Kids like that tend to move on to new victims. She probably wouldn;t even remember you if she saw you in 6 months.
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fleabert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 04:20 PM
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50. stay away, she is manipulating you.
next she'll ask you to buy beer for her and her friends.

I might even call a social worker anonymously and ask their opinion of the situation.
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aquaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 04:28 PM
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51. I am a clinical social worker...
I would stay the hell away from there for a while, if you choose to go back, discuss the issue with the head librarian. This kid could be harmless, but I doubt it. Do not engage with her again if you see her, period. Be aware, in many investigations that I have seen where a person is labeled as a potential "child molester" you are guilty until proven innocent. It is hard for even innocent people to live those allegations down.
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fleabert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 01:46 PM
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74. I second that opinion! nt
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 04:38 PM
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52. I'm a reference provider in a major library (the person you would approach first
to report such a situation). That girl should (and, in my library, would) be permanently trespassed. If the library doesn't have security, call the police, especially if it's a city library. Tell them everything you've told us here.

Yes, public buildings can bar those who use the buildings inappropriately.

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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 06:53 PM
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54. The safest thing is to stay away from that library and the kid.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 07:58 PM
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56. Tell the police what you've told us. She can be trespassed from using the library--and should be,
YOU need to be proactive, you can't expect the library staff to do it for you.

If you can post on a message board, you can certainly call a detective.
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 08:14 PM
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58. And that will help his case should he be accused of a crime later.
To the OP,

You should also write down everything you remember about every time you've seen her. It won't hurt, but it could come in handy later.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 11:38 AM
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72. Exactly. He needs to be proactive on this; failure could be a disaster. nt
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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 08:38 PM
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59. Get away fast
she's a junior predator.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 09:40 PM
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61. You need to tell the librarians - for the girl's sake too
Edited on Fri Dec-01-06 09:40 PM by nini
Imagine if she played this game with a total perv? One day the perv decides it's time to do God knows what to her.

She needs help and you need to alert the authorities to what she's getting herself into.
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Metta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 09:45 PM
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62. You let it go too far.
When you acquiessed on the second "Daddy," you were in it. The rest was going along with it.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 10:53 PM
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63. That's like telling a date rape victim because they went on a date...
...that it's their fault they got raped.
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Metta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 04:13 PM
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80. Nah.
Were I in his place, I might have played along with her the first time she called him daddy. Shortly thereafter, I would have said something like "Thanks for all of this and now I'm no longer interested in playing along." He let it go on too long and can't see how he contributed to his misery.
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 11:31 PM
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64. Librarians need to make sure these teens are under constant supervision.
My library has a similar situation--adults using computers in the same area as teens and pre-teens. Last summer most of the adults just left it to the obnoxious kids. That should never happen. They claim it's about educating the kids, and part of the lesson should be to be more mature. Without supervision, they won't learn that lesson because the patrons who are adults already know better than to even talk to these brats!!!!!!!!!!!
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 11:34 PM
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65. Christ on his cross, you were REALLY stupid. Sorry to be so harsh, but damn,
don't you have ANY sense?

Do NOT go back to that library. Ever.

Redstone
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benny05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 11:53 PM
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66. Looks are deceiving, eh?
I have few suggestions, take them or not.

1) I would call that branch library and ask to speak to the manager or to the assistant manager, depending on it is in a large suburban/urban area

2) In the phone call, I would ask to make a personal appointment to make a complaint or voice a concern and that you are uncomfortable in discussing it over the phone. Management is often sensitive to such matters.

3) Keep the appointment, and tell the manager or assist manager your concern or complaint (I still use the word "story", but I'm old fashioned in terminology) but before the appointment, do practice it in the mirror to boost your confidence or at least write it down, then practice saying it aloud, allowing for mistakes with yourself. If you can remember the face of the library staffer or volunteer who saw you with the young gal, you should mention that person and describe her, even if you don't know that staffer's name, and that she saw you.

4) Explain also that you are concerned for the young teen, but more that you feel unwelcome in the library because of the young teen who keeps asking you for money, and especially since you are job seeking, trying to communicate with others via the Internet, etc. You would appreciate it if the Library staff could take a little extra time when they are not busy at the Check-out or Reference/Information Desk to circulate around the computer area to see if everyone has what they need. Given that's it's 2:00 in the afternoon, probably not, but you have the right to ask for such assistance.

5) Ask for options and what they sugggest as well.

6) Hope you can work out an agreement, and thank them for their time.





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otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 11:59 PM
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67. Wow... I must be really naive.
Everyone else seems to think that she's trying to frame you. Maybe they're right, now that I think about it. But when I read that, the first thing I thought was, Wow. What the hell happened to that kid? It sounded like she needed to prove to her friends that someone cared about her. I thought, what is so messed up in her life that the only way she can do that is by pretending a stranger is her father? And maybe she really believes it, too. So desperate to prove it to herself that she starts to lose touch with reality.

I know a girl kind of like that. She flirts with every guy in school and seems happy enough in front of everyone. But once I saw her while I was walking home. Across this street there's this park where the druggies hang out, and she started asking me for money for weed. I said I didn't have any money, and she looked really upset and asked if I had any food. I had a bagel so I gave her half and we sat down. I was trying to get her to tell me what was wrong, why she couldn't go home to eat- she didn't seem high- but she wouldn't tell me. When I read your story I thought of that, but who knows? I'm probably just being naive.
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astral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 02:08 AM
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68. I feel like Otherlander
I would not ASSUME she is deliberately trying to frame anyone, nor that she is a criminal that needs to be banned from the library. Nevertheless, the law is clearly something to fear in exactly this kind of situation,and I think actively avoiding running into her again is imperative.

I knew a gal years ago, she was like 21 or so, and she was very physically affectionate to many people around her, men, women, people she just met, she'd just hug them and kiss them and say she loves them, and it seemed weird to me but she was just being herself.

I am pretty sure your 'daughter' in the library has had some sexual exploitation done on her, and she's learned for better or for worse that playing on that can get her what she wants and needs. She might just think you're cute, and know the age difference is a barrier so she's 'flirting' with you in a semi-normal, immature inexperienced way.

But it's trouble. It's jail time. It's being branded a sex-offender for the rest of your life even if all you did was politely put up with her sitting on your lap in the library.

Great advice I'm reading on the board here --- take heed!

Whether to talk to the librarians or not, I don't know. That could backfire at this point and is a risk, you can only decide if it seems like the right thing to do or if just disappearing from that libary entirely is more the safe bet.

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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 02:12 AM
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69. No, you aren't naive. You're very perceptive.
I was an unhappy kid not unlike your friend and Romantico's strange acquaintance. I didn't take it so far as to manipulate money out of guys; but, desperate for attention, I was blatantly, sometimes rudely, flirtatious.

You were wise not to give her money, and kind to offer to listen to her. But in some ways, it's probably best that you not get too involved with someone like this. They have a lot to figure out on their own. :hug:
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otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 12:53 PM
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73. Thanks.
I don't think that she's trying to drag me into her problems; in fact, she didn't even want to talk about them. So she probably knows she has to figure things out on her own. But it's good if someone else is listening, at least.

And that someone can't be a guidance counselor, because they have a way of meddling too much. When they found out that some people at school were bothering me, they actually went up to those people and told them to stop. Then, for the rest of the year, I had to hear, "Hey, look, it's that girl who went to the GUIDANCE COUNSELOR and told them that people were being mean to her!" :banghead: Idiots. Well-meaning idiots, but still idiots.
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Wcross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 08:44 AM
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71. It's too bad you can't inform her parents of her behavior.
One day she WILL try this with a guy who has no qualms about taking advantage of a dumb young girl.
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Giant Robot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 02:27 PM
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75. Stay away that simple
We can have a wonderful conversation about who this girl is and what her motives are...but what I see right now is the need for damage control.

I am not sure why everyone is telling you to talk to the librarians. What are they going to do for you? If things go the very best they can, then they will no longer allow her in the library. But they have to inform her of that upfront, and she would get the chance to tell her side of the story, which may or may not include what a creepy pervert you are (just saying she could say that). At worst, the librarians will shrug helplessly at this, or call the police on you for being a creepy pervert (just saying again).

I can certainly appreciate just wanting her to go away and doing what you think will make that happen. But you have just displayed some pretty concerning behavior, her sitting in your lap, giving her money, etc., to some people. Taking that into consideration, really the best option I see is just cut and run. If there is another library to go to, do it. If you have to go to this one, do it when you know she will be in school. If you see her, run away.

I will bet you that she will find someone else to scam, be affectionate to, whatever she is doing to you right now. But you need to be concerned with yourself right now.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 02:57 PM
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76. Unless you fancy a spot on the Megan's Law Database, DO NOT GO BACK TO THAT LIBRARY
Sure, the girl's obviously got problems, but you can't help her without great risk to yourself. If you make any attempt to get her help or distance yourself from the situation she's going to lash out and you're going to get branded a Sex Offender faster than you can blink.

Run, do not walk, to another library. If you see her someplace immediately and wordlessly stand up, get your things and go.

PS Think long and hard about how and why you let yourself get manipulated into this situation, then fix whatever let it happen.
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Giant Robot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 03:05 PM
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77. I agree
Think about how you got yourself here. It looked like there were several spots you could have been more assertive to try to stop this and did not do it. Look at that and see what you need for yourself right now.

Oh, and stay away from the library. Skip the librarians. Just stay away.
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 04:18 PM
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82. Best advice I've read about this situation.
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smitty Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 03:08 PM
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78. Keep away from the library, keep away from the girl.
Your decisions and actions were unbelievably bad and there cold be serious consequences if you continue them.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 03:24 PM
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79. Tell the librarians AND talk to the counselors at the school
If she accosts you again, make it clear to her and all within ear shot that you don't welcome her friendly advances.

But, do see the counselors. Many kids are VERY savvy about manipulation and legal matters. They know just how to get you into compromising situations which they can take advantage of. One might be amazed at how many kids have used blackmail to get what they want. Beware! Some kids are messed up and need to pretend they have loving parents when they don't. Some are just fucking obnoxious.

What ever the case, alert officials and be firm with her IN FRONT OF WITNESSES that the banter is OVER.

Most kids are great. Some are not. Don't let your guard down. Most are wiser than many give them credit for.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 04:17 PM
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81. You better find a new library, bud
Edited on Sat Dec-02-06 04:19 PM by JVS
And now you know why it's always best to tell the truth and never play along with bullshit.
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 05:01 PM
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83. Try a two-pronged approach......
inform the librarians about this character and have them be on the lookout for this person. Maybe she'll be back to do this to another person. Maybe inform the proper authorities about panhandlers(??) on city property with staff doing nothing about it. (aren't libraries city run?) You have the right not to be harassed.

Plus maybe just duck away from this library for awhile.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 05:05 PM
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84. Do not inform the librarians and do not inform any one else...count yourself lucky that you got out
when you did. Stop going to that library immediatly. If you ever see her again, run.
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