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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 04:37 PM
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Do you suffer from liberal guilt?
Edited on Wed Oct-04-06 04:47 PM by LynzM
You know, the never-ending feeling that you could be doing more, or better, to help the world, the environment, your causes, whatever? I'm not Catholic, and good thing, because the guilt would eat me alive. Finally switched to fair-trade coffee this week... one less thing on the guilt list. *sigh* You?
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 04:39 PM
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1. A little
I give way too much of my disposable income to Anheuser Busch and Reynolds Tobacco, which I realize are not very progressive companies and are sapping me of the strength that I could spend fighting the power
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 04:55 PM
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8. Mmm....
I don't suffer from those two vices, but I love some Dunkin' Donuts iced coffee, especially in the summer...
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 04:41 PM
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2. You mean fair-trade coffee, right?
Or are you talking liberal market guilt, in which case free-trade coffee would make sense.
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 04:47 PM
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3. Yes, I do, thanks!
I edited it... 10 hours at work, and my brain is a little fried! :hi:
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 04:49 PM
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4. Guilt is unproductive, useless and harmful
Never feel guilt. Never look back except to reassess your plans.

That is, it is good to learn from your mistakes, but a bad idea to brood about your mistakes. You made the best decision at the time with the resources on hand.
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 04:54 PM
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6. I wish that I could embrace that wholeheartedly...
It seems to be something I'm not very good at. Maybe in this instance, it's not so much guilt, but the nagging feeling that I could do more? I'm not sure that's really the same thing. Hrm.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 04:57 PM
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10. If you crave the need to do more, then do more
If you don't have the resources to do so, then accept that fact.

Guilt will just make you feel bad.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 04:52 PM
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5. Nah, only the lapsed Catholic kind.
Edited on Wed Oct-04-06 04:52 PM by haruka3_2000
I mean, I drive an SUV, an ATV and boats. I smoke. I watch ABC. And I even drank a can of Coors today. I didn't pay for that though. It was just left over from my stepdad's tailgate party. Oh and I like to shoot guns.
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 04:55 PM
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7. Shooting guns is fun.
As long as I don't have to shoot them at people, or animals, thanks. Well, I'd shoot animals if I needed to to survive, but... that's a whole 'nother discussion. (Flame war, anyone? :rofl:)

Can you teach me some of this Church of the Guilt-Free? :)
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 04:59 PM
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13. Yeah, I just like shooting targets.
Ugh...gun flame wars. I was in an absurd one the other day. Then, I was stalked into the stun gun thread, where a joking comment I made was turned into me wanting to go around tazering people for no reason pretty much.
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 12:39 AM
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22. Was that the pee-wee football game thread
where the sheriff's deputy tazered an out-of-control parent?

Some of the people in that thread were :crazy:, man.

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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 12:45 AM
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25. Yep, and actually, if you want to be technical about it...
Edited on Thu Oct-05-06 12:47 AM by haruka3_2000
he didn't tazer an out-of-control parent. He hit the man with a stun gun. There's a difference. A stun gun has to be applied directly to the person's body. That was probably the safest way to subdue the guy. A tazer actually shoots out electric barbs up to 15', so there is a chance of hitting someone else with a tazer.

Yeah, the poster that didn't get my joke, also had problems with me in a gun thread the previous day.

Totally :crazy:.

Honestly, my parents wouldn't have freaked out, if someone was hit with a stun gun, within my view, as a kid. I grew up in a rough neighborhood. I saw far worse as a child and I feel I'm none the worse for wear.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 12:51 AM
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27. Check your PM. nt
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 05:15 PM
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17. same here.
SUV - check
Boats - check
ABC/ESPN/Disney - check
Guns - check

No guilt at all.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 04:56 PM
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9. No
In a few billion years, the sun will grow into a red giant star, and devour the Earth in its path. In the face of this, worrying about doing everything just right is a waste of the few seconds we have. :P
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 04:59 PM
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11. LMAO
You're always one to put things in perspective for me. :rofl:

:hi:
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 05:03 PM
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14. Hehe
;-)

Just try for something attainable and realistic: If your score sheet at the end of your life has you favoring doing good and right over that of doing evil and wrong, you can absolve yourself of all guilt.

Now go, my child, and be free! :D :hug:
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 05:17 PM
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18. You're only saying that because you're trying to justify your emails
to Foley's page offering "consoling" and "Zombylove".

Sicko.

:grr:
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 11:54 PM
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20. Don't forget
The "ZombyCoffee rubdown".
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 06:06 AM
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29. Ooh... now that sounds like something I might just call in for...
do you deliver?
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 04:59 PM
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12. No, i'm just a pissed-off liberal. So i'm doubly ineffective.
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reyd reid reed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 12:44 AM
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24. Sometimes being pissed off about something
is more productive than guilt. It's scarier to those around you, though. Guilt only makes You feel bad and what does that accomplish?

And somehow I don't see you as being ineffectual...



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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 05:06 PM
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15. I thought you wrote Liberal Quilt
I have one hanging upstairs made by my Grandmother.......
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 05:12 PM
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16. still using refined sugar no doubt
sigh...
thats what hearts are for... bleedin! :D
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 05:20 PM
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19. Everytime I forget to take my previously used plastic bags to the grocery
store; every time I have to throw away a ziplock bag; every time I buy something that's packaged with far too much shit; every time I use a piece of styrofoam; or the times that I am forced to use a straw (like for the chocolate shake I treated myself to from McDonald's today) or given a straw for no reason and I know that it now has to be thrown away because it's been given to me.

Yes, the guilt is high.
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reyd reid reed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 12:21 AM
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21. I'm pretty liberal with my guilt
but I don't feel guilty about being liberal or not doing enough. I live my life and I do what I can and that's all I Can do and I've got enough other things to feel guilty about.



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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 12:40 AM
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23. Yup
Every time I have to throw something in the garbage can because there's no way to recycle it — jeebus, I get mad at corporations for packaging everything in plastic. :grr:

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reyd reid reed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 12:46 AM
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26. Another example of anger
Now if you could just figure out a way to use it for Good...

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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 03:05 AM
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28. I'd love to be doing more
Unfortunately with my time and money constraints I'm very limited. :-(
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 06:07 AM
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30. The thing that bothers me most is the "wait and see" attitude I took
in 2000. If only... :(
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In_The_Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 06:09 AM
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31. yep

I switched from 8 cylinders to 4.



:hi:
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clyrc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 06:35 AM
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32. Yes I do
I have a house cleaner, and I pay her more than anyone else I know pays their house cleaner, but it's still less than she deserves. And there's the fact that she gets to see her children once every couple of years, like lots of the Sri Lankan maids. I live in a country where I see how lucky I am to have been born relatively well off, with more opportunities than many have, and I try not to feel guilty. I can't quite manage it, at all. I've heard people make fun of liberal guilt, but if it spurs you to do what you can to make things better, well, it's not that bad a thing.
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