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Bombero1956 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 09:28 AM
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I need advise for my Holland trip
My wife and I are leaving for Holland 2 weeks from today. I planned on taking a leather jacket with me just in case it got cold or rained. She's of the opinion that because it's a Nascar jacket that it will easily identify me as an American and maybe cause unwanted attention from either a Dutch person or another foreigner who may cause a confrontation. The last time I went there in 1995 she made wear a London Fog overcoat and black suede shoes. I was walking down the jetway with her and I was stopped and questioned and she was allowed to board the plane. I think it happened because it looked like I was trying to appear like something I wasn't. So what do you folks think.
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bikebloke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 09:36 AM
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1. Holland is pretty tolerant.
But why advertise your from the Evil Empire. I haven't been there for a while, but with global warming (and the main culprit thumbing its nose at science) there may be some Dutch who might not look too kindly on yanks. Especially since they're on the front line with rising sea levels. If you're travelling in the backpacker/hostel style then flouting your residency will be frowned upon by other travellers. As a disident, I never had any problems.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 09:46 AM
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2. the dutch are not going to care what you wear --
and europeans are notorious huge race fans as well.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 09:52 AM
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3. Dress down if you don't want to stick out.
Where I can, I like to go incognito in foriegn lands. Especially if you'd rather be a people watcher than a person watched.
;-)
The Netherlands are likely to be cool and rainy this time of year.
I favored a Gore-tex anorak with a sweater for under when needed.
And a brolly, if you can still get one on the airplane.
If not, you can pick one up pretty cheaply after you land.

Jeans are "OK", but chinos or cords are better.
Will you be spending time in Amsterdam?
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Bombero1956 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 03:26 PM
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6. yup
my wife's family is from Nijkerk and we'll be staying with them. I do plan a least one visit to Amsterdam because I never got a chance to go last time. My wife is the one who's concerned not me.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 05:05 PM
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12. Get out! Knee-Jerk?
Sorry.
Just popped into my head.
;-)
If you like Scotch whiskey, try and make it to The Whiskey Bar just off the Leidseplein in AMS.
Ask anybody.
About 100 varieties of single malts.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 07:29 PM
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16. If your wife is from Holland, and she is concerned, then maybe
she has a point. After all, she probably has a better idea of how the Dutch will react that someone who isn't Dutch.

I would avoid drawing attention to yourself as an American, do you have another jacket or coat that is just kind of neutral?
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 10:02 AM
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4. You'll be fine
There aren't gangs of anti-Americans prowling the streets or anything.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 03:33 PM
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8. "boots and braces" types
looking for a brawl.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 11:37 AM
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5. If the dikes fail, don't call FEMA.
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bikebloke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 10:20 PM
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20. Don't worry.
They've got a kid with his finger in it.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 03:29 PM
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7. one thing i've heard...
don't wear white sneakers! it will instantly peg you as an "ugly american".
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 05:07 PM
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13. "Sportif shoes" I was denied entry to the casino in AMS
because of my footgear.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 04:13 PM
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9. Your wife is being cautious, which is the correct course of action..
..when traveling abroad these days. I hate to tell you, but she is right. Do not wear anything that will draw unnecessary attention to the fact that you are an American. Better safe, than sorry, they say! And, if you feel nervous- and like you're afraid they'll stop you in an airport- they probably will (no matter what you're wearing)! ;-)
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 04:15 PM
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10. i need some Advil...
x(
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 04:25 PM
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11. I'd say: If you have an option other than a Nascar jacket, take it.
Just my gut reaction.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 05:07 PM
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14. yeah. i'd say so too.
even in america. lose that jacket lol. unless you are going undercover to a klan rally.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 07:48 PM
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18. Now I need an Advil
x(
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 12:10 PM
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23. i'm sorry. it was a joke. it was inappropriate.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 12:46 PM
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24. Apology accepted
:hi:
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 07:06 PM
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27. thanks!
:toast:
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 05:15 PM
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15. This is me in Holland in 1997


BTW, I was mistaken for a Dutch person many a time

I loved blending in.

BTW, F1 racing is big in Europe, not NASCAR

Your biggest problem is feeling insecure about what you're wearing.

Piece of advice; wear some nice neutral clothes and nice shoes... You'll dovjust fine.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 07:36 PM
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17. Here's what I wore last year....

I'm the one doing the Lynndie to the right...

http://www.johnberryhill.com/Benelux2005/photos/photo17.html

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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 10:09 PM
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19. they are super nice to americans
wear what you want to wear, they are not a judgmental people

these days, all americans have to answer questions at schipol, so you will not be singled out for questions, you'll all get questions, sometimes silly ones, don't sweat it

wear what you like

have fun!

i'm thinking of going myself, maybe not in two weeks, maybe in 3 weeks

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Bombero1956 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 11:20 PM
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22. I got stopped
in Boston
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 10:23 PM
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21. You might, however, have a chance to sell it for a lot of money.
Sometimes it happens in foreign countries - someone will see it, realize it's american (or foreign, anyway, they might not specifically care that it's American, only that it's non-European) and therefore rare, and offer you a bunch of money for it so that they can wow their friends.
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 12:48 PM
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25. visit The Bulldog in Amsterdam!
(OK, my experience is maybe ten years out of date, but WOW!)
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 12:59 PM
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26. Yep, you could get a pretty good buzz just walking by the front door.
;-)
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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 07:25 PM
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28. Oh, it doesn't matter what you wear. Europeans can spot an American
yards away. I lived in Germany for a year and a half and they just know. Pack what you like and enjoy your trip! Just be prepared to apologise constantly for our (mal)administration.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 08:39 PM
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29. I live in Europe and I try to avoid sticking out like a sore thumb
I'd leave the jacket at home. Not that anyone would try to harm you, but I don't like inviting chance. JMHO.
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pauliedangerously Donating Member (843 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 08:45 PM
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30. Well, I'm not sure about Holland, BUT
I went to the UK several years ago and this one dude my partner and I struck up a conversation with couldn't talk about anything BUT NASCAR. I say, be yourself. I'll be watching for your report because I want to go there in November.
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