What was the strangest movie you ever saw?

[terrya]

What was the weirdest, most bizarre movie you ever saw? The movie that at the end, had you scratching your head and saying, "What in the world"?

For me, it was "Eraserhead" a 1981 film made by David Lynch. Don't even ask me what the film was supposed to represent...it was this bleak, depressing movie about some very, um, unusual people. My b/f, Doug, told me to watch it again...I just don't know.

Yours?

[radwriter0555]

1. The Ring... just made no sense. And anything by david lynch, although

his stuff gets HUGE marks for just being insanely watchable.

[RebelOne]

2. I agree. I couldn't make any sense of The Ring either.

[MercutioATC]

12. What didn't make sense to you? Seemed pretty simple to me...(spoiler)

Girl has issues. Girl with issues seems to, supernaturally, bring bad luck to her community. Mother is slightly crazy and pushes girl into a well. Girl takes seven days to die. Supernatural aspect continues in a disjointed videotape of the situation that kills the viewer in seven days if they don't copy it (to pass on the story). One woman figures this out and makes copies to save her and her son.

Is it realistic? Of course not, it's a movie. Within the framework of the movie, is it coherent? Absolutely.

[arwalden]

3. Fantastic Planet --- Strange but wonderful

Anyone ever see it?

-- Allen

[terrya]

5. Robby the Robot?

Leslie Nielsen...when he was a dramatic actor.

Yeah..that was a strange, but wonderful, movie.

[arwalden]

16. Robby The Robot Was In FORBIDDEN PLANET...

Fantastic Planet is an animated movie.

-- Allen

[terrya]

17. OOOPS! My Bad!

You're right...

Someone slap me to get my mind in gear. Please! :-)

[Tummler]

26. Yes!!

I saw it again a few days ago. The DVD is pretty cheap, so I broke down and bought it.

It turns out that the movie was intended as a metaphor for the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia. The production had to be moved from Czechoslovakia to France when the political heat became too intense.

I wouldn't say it's the weirdest movie I've ever seen (I've seen a lot of really weird cult films), but I do like it a lot.

[rbnyc]

62. I love that movie.

I was a kid at the drive-in with my parents the first time I saw it. I've seen it many times since.

[BlueEyedSon]

4. Blue Velvet

[TNDemo]

27. I agree of Blue Velvet.

I wanted to bathe afterwards.

[ewagner]

49. Blue Velvet for sure! n/t

[Anaxamander]

6. Gotta be...

a flick called Arizona Daze with Johnny Depp. Anyone who's seen it will back me up.

[Khephra]

7. The Holy Moutain

But I understood that one. It's the strangest one I've seen though.

[Tummler]

31. Bingo

I second that nomination.

From http://www.roogulator.esmartweb.com/fantasy/holymountain.htm :

What strikes about Holy Mountain is what a versatile film it is. The first twenty minutes or so could be a reprise of El Topo. It follows a man whose journey becomes a surreal picaresque - we are introduced to him as he is found covered in bees; he makes a recovery after being placed on a cross by children, is saved by a limbless dwarf and wanders through casual vignettes where birds emerge from the wounds of executed victims while the executing soldiers fuck prostitutes while posing for tourist photos; through parades carrying skinned lizards on poles and a recreation of the Spanish Conquest of Mexico with a frog circus; and the hero being used as a mold for lifelike Christ statues, which he then smashes up before carrying one through the streets accompanied by a trail of hookers and a monkey. The hero then climbs a smokestack and arrives at The Alchemist’s inner sanctum whereupon the film becomes something quite different - what might be described as a mix of Carlos Castaneda and some of Kenneth Anger’s occultic film rituals. Having a budget on hand has allowed Jodorowsky to indulge himself and the sets are lush, with Jodorowsky himself parading about as The Alchemist, strikingly dressed either in all black or all white with his face hidden by a giant tall peaked sombrero, and surrounded by oxen, hippos, pelicans and a half-naked women with silver fingernail-extensions and cryptic symbols written on her body, as he dispenses Zen-like lessons in eating one’s own shit and breaking a rock by destroying its soul.

Thereafter as Jodorowsky introduces the postulants and, as each gives a potted life history, the film becomes something different again - one where Jodorowsky reveals a heretofore unknown penchant for absurdist comedy. Indeed any of the vignettes could easily have been transplanted into a Monty Python sketch - the blind bed manufacturer who makes business decisions by feeling whether his wife’s sex is wet or not; the weapons manufacturer who produces guns for all creeds - thus crucifix, menorah and Buddha-shaped guns as well as psychedelic and guitar-shaped guns for youth, plus the wonderfully dotty image of product testers running to impale themselves on bayonets; the manufacturer of facemasks who creates masks that keep moving in the coffin after the wearer’s death - lips that make kissing motions, a cleric’s hand that keeps waving and a pair of rotating breasts; the sex machine - a giant mechanical bank that opens up and unfolds and flashes lights as it is titillated with a large rod; and some alarmingly close to the bone satire with the manufacturer of war toys who shows how children are conditioned for a coming war with Peru with war comics that portray Peruvians as villains and a nursery where they are trained to throw mud pies at a picture of a Peruvian.

The last section concerns the journey to the titular mountain with Jodorowsky lecturing the novices on their journey in sometimes striking, sometimes loopy cryptic epigrams:- “I am afraid of heights,” one woman complains to which Jodorowsky’s advice is “Rub your clitoris against the mountain.” The most fascinating aspect is the ending where they reach the top of the mountain only to find that the nine masters are stuffed dummies seated at a table. In the extraordinary final image Jodorowsky sits laughing with the novices and then says: “Zoom back camera,” which the camera promptly does, revealing the film crew and several camera trestles. “Goodbye Holy Mountain. Real life awaits,” bids Jodorowsky. It is an ending that is both a big shaggy dog ending on us all and an extraordinary collapsing of the figurative fourth stage wall. It is not inapt that Jodorowsky calls himself The Alchemist for that is exactly what his films are - alchemical experiences, theatres of the transcendental. They are experiences where Jodorowsky most fervently wants to upset, jolt and shake up expectations, to break down illusions and leave audiences changed. The ending of Holy Mountain is a most earnest appeal on Jodorowsky’s part for the audience to carry the experience away. And whether Jodorowsky succeeds is a matter for debate but you cannot deny that he leaves people variously bewildered, amazed, angered, fascinated and totally stunned by the experience. Which is exactly what he has set out to do.

[Jack The Tab]

50. El Topo

I saw this and Holy Mountain on a double feature at a retro theatre in Los Angeles.

El Topo was very creepy - in a good, low budget way. I liked it more than Holy Mountain. Holy Mountain really drags in the second half.

[amber dog democrat]

103. I liked El Topo

but it was a bit challenging. Liked the rouitine with the church and the Russian Roulette sequence.

[Bridget Burke]

8. The Woman Chaser (1999)

The story of an aspiring screenwriter, set in LA (of course). Sort of faux noir. Starring a dead-serious Patrick Warburton, it's a black & white look at film & insanity. Sort of funny in a horrible way.

Saw it on the Sundance Channel--afterwards, all we could say was "what the heck?"

[The Zanti Regent]

9. Blackenstein

I saw it on a double bill with Blacula 30 years ago. Blacula was OK, but Blackenstein was in a class by itself, one of the WORST movies I've ever seen, but then I LOVE bad movies!

[Spirochete]

10. Lisztomania

a movie about Franz Liszt, starring Roger Daltry. Not as weird as Eraserhead, but a solid second, IMO.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

25. Can I add 'The Devils' or 'The Lair of the White Worm'

hell, any Ken Russell movie that isn't Tommy.

[WildClarySage]

85. Lair of the White Worm

has my vote. Very weird. Was that Hugh Grant playing the rich lordling kid?

[Screaming Lord Byron]

96. Yup.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

11. Whoops Apocalypse (1983)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/6301976533/103-7192016-9795824?v=glance
http://amazon.imdb.com/title/tt0092211/*ASIN=6301976533

Go get it. Brit dark humor at its Brittest, darkest, maddest.

[Drifter]

13. Uncle Meat - Frank Zappa

"We're using a chicken to measure it"

Cheers
Drifter

[markus]

105. Centervillle

A Real Nice Place to Raise your Kids . . . ahhhh........

[Killarney]

14. The Doom Generation

It was horrible.

[CanuckAmok]

88. That wasn't strange...

...just shitty.

Oooohh...your bisexuality is such a challenge to my cloistered bourgeoise sensibilities, Mr. Araki...please stop testing my acceptance, I beg you...I'll repent......

...and so forth.

[letthewindblow]

15. Most hollywood mainstream movies

I find to be very STRANGE

[ret5hd]

18. i dont know if this counts (because of my condition), but...

decades ago (late '70's, maybe early '80's) was doing acid at a friends house. tv was on. A very strange, very stylized movie, in black and white. What i remember of the plot is:

A young very pretty girl, representing pureness and holiness, is hypnotized or put under a spell by a head in a wooden box that keeps silently mouthing the words "put me back on put me back on put me back on...". She ends up carrying the box w/ head thru dark and spooky woods.

Does this ring a bell w/ anyone? Know the name?

[AngryAmish]

19. Devil in the House of Exorcism

[jimbo fett]

20. City of Lost Children

Original title: La cité des enfants perdus

Think "Brazil" meets Timothy Burton while in Paris.

This is a French film starring US actor Ron Perlman. Directed by Marc Caro & Jean-Pierre Jeunet.

Great movie. Bizarre plot. INCREDIBLE sets and props. This movie is fantastic just to see all the amazing sets and props.

If you like movies like Brazil, Time Bandits, or any Tim Burton film you'll like this bizarre movie.

[myrna minx]

37. I agree...and don't forget Delicatessen.

I love Marc Caro & Jean-Pierre Jeunet. Freaks is quite a strange film, as well. It is definitely an exploitation film.
http://www.iofilm.co.uk/fm/f/freaks_1932.shtml

[Selwynn]

80. I LOVE THIS MOVIE hehehhee :)

It was great strange!

[scarlet_owl]

82. My husband had me watch that.

It was entertaining, but it was extremely strange.

[Forkboy]

112. Great movie

the second DVD I bought after getting my player.

[MrPrax]

21. Movies that try to be strange...don't count

One of the weirdest I have seen because it was 'sorta' mainstream and suppose to be a Meditation on Religious Fanaticism...was Michael Tolkin's The Rapture...so terminally strange and works at cross-purposes...
From an Amazon review:
"The Rapture is a mind-boggling, wildly ambitious movie that's open to myriad interpretations."...
no kidding...and then sum

[foreigncorrespondent]

22. Mulholland Drive, and...

...Vanilla Skies.

[nostamj]

33. Mulholland Drive would get my vote

looked good, but WTF was it about?

Altman's 3 Women is strange (but not 'bad' strange)

[foreigncorrespondent]

91. nostamj...

...if you ever work it out, could please explain it to me? LOL

I have no idea what it was about. I watched it again, and my sister and I thought we worked it out, but everything we said, never made sense. LOL

[KCDem]

58. ditto on Mulholland Drive

Strange, strange movie.

[TOhioLiberal]

23. my all time strangest is

Stanley Kubrick's 'Dr. Strangelove: Or How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Bomb'

[grannylib]

24. Quasi at the Quackadero....bizarro flick!!

[soleft]

28. Weekend - Jean Luc Goddard

I think

[chefgirl]

29. Magnolia

Not so much because the movie left me scratching my head, (it pretty much just sucked, IMO) but because all the raves about it left me scratching my head.
I would also include Vanilla Sky, which is why both of these movies sum up how I feel about Tom Cruise. :eyes:

-chef-

[populistmom]

30. Priscilla, Queen of the Desert

That's the first one that pops in my head just because Aussie drag queens are pretty far removed from my existance, but it was a funny movie nonetheless.

[Bertha Venation]

32. Strange Days

is that what it was called? Angela Bassett & Ralph Fiennes.

[omshanti]

34. This weird Japanese movie: Tampopo

A friend of mine recommended it, and I watched it twice trying to figure out what the heck was going on with the random interspersed bits. Very weird movie.

[Spider Jerusalem]

35. When it comes to weirdness in film....

as in most other things, America doesn't hold a candle to the Japanese. Weirdest film I can think of: "Ichi the Killer". Tale of a twisted sadist (the title character, Ichi) who kills a Yakuza boss; one of the boss' underlings spends the film first trying to find him and then trying to avenge him. The underling, one Kakihara, has his cheeks slit all the way back to the mandible and held closed at the edges of his lips with silver clips; when we first see him he's exhaling smoke through the slits. And he's a masochist: he wants to find his boss because no one can give him a beating quite as well. Deeply twisted, ultra-violent, very gory, and confusing as hell; definitely a ten on the weirdness scale.

[Aristus]

36. I agree with those who suggested 'Fantastic Planet'.

I put that in the category of 'good strange'.

'Bad strange' would be 'Wild At Heart' by David Lynch. A sickening, disheartening, depressing, unwatchable piece of shit. I was dismayed that the glorious Laura Dern would lower herself to do such an awful film.

[LynneSin]

38. "Pi" by Darren Aronofsky

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0138704/combined

Talked about a messed up movie. Made "Erasehead" look like an episode of "Barney the Dinosaur". Aronofsky has made some really strange movies - I love his "Requiem for a Dream"

[jimbo fett]

55. Right, Pi is so weird I have yet to finish it.

I've got it on DVD and have started watching it 3 times but I haven't been able to complete it. Don't know why. Maybe I'm more bored thand weirded-out.

[Selwynn]

81. Pi is one of my favorite movies ever... in fact

I think its time to watch it again. :)

[Forkboy]

113. Thats's one of my picks

Pi was so cool.I just watched it the other day and was blown away.What a great movie.I borrowed Requim but haven't watched it yet.

Donnie Darko and Sexy Beast (Ben Kingsley at his very best), also get a big thumbsup from me.

[carolinayellowdog]

39. Another vote for Eraserhead. What *was* that baby?

Looked like a shaved lamb to me, kinda

[Sapphocrat]

76. Eraserhead for me, too -- and re that baby...

...I forget exactly what Lynch used to make the baby, but I do recall reading an interesting item about the reason he may have included it: Seems Lynch fathered a child with elephantitis or something (thus, also, "The Elephant Man"!), and the Eraserhead baby was some sort of catharsis for him.

Absolutely no idea if there's any truth to the story, but if not, it's a great rumor.

P.S. The baby doesn't bother me half as much as "dinner" -- it was a long time before I could cook, let alone eat, cornish game hens again.

[Interrobang]

40. Don't Torture A Duckling, Lucio Fulci

Grotesque, bizarre, and an endless stream of non-sequiturs. Fulci seems to go much more for effect than plot, character development, or structure, so you never quite know what's happening at any given moment...except that it's usually quite bloody.

[myrna minx]

41. The Man Who Fell to Earth

and The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari.

[WoodrowFan]

42. Head by the Monkees (NT)

[grannylib]

43. Oh! And "Siesta?" I think it was, with Ellen Barkin? Anyone see that?

Really weird pic; it was like all a dream/nightmare, or maybe not, I am still not sure...

[amazona]

47. I saw Siesta

I'm afraid it went in one ear and out the other for me. I really strongly dislike Barkin and maybe that's why.

[amazona]

44. it was indeed eraserhead

However, I swear to God I saw it in the 1970s. The mind and memory plays tricks, I suppose. The subject matter was too close for a variety of reasons I don't feel like talking about. I got it all right. I just felt a bit violated and I walked out of the theater before it was over. I did watch it again a few years ago when I had time and distance from my own past and was better able to enjoy it just for the play of weirdness.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

51. You could have seen it in the 1970s

I've never seen it, but I remember it being advertised in the hallways of my university when I was in grad school.

[chenGOD]

45. Perhaps Dali's "Un Chien Andalou"

Although as mentioned earlier "The Holy mountain" by Joderowsky is quite strange.

Other good strange movies:
"Meet the Feebles"
"Salo or 120 Days of Sodom"

http://www.sensesofcinema.com/contents/00/4/salo.html

[KansDem]

46. Salton Sea...

I tried watching it twice, but stopped after only about 45 minutes. Right around the scene when the protagonist travels out to the desert to visit the man with no nose...

[NightTrain]

48. It's "Eraserhead" for me, too!

Actually, though, it was made in '76, not '81.

[Martin Eden]

59. Ditto

It was unfathomable to me, probably because I neglected to drop acid that night.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

52. Some of Bergman's films are high on the weirdness scale

especially Persona, in which Bibi Andersson and Liv Ullman "merge."

I will also agree that Japanese weirdness is like no other. I nominate "The Happiness of the Katakuris" for weirdest musical of all time.

[KCDem]

61. Persona was a very strange movie.

I'd forgotten about it until you mentioned it.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

53. I am such a FREAK!

I'm reading everyone else's picks thinking to myself, 'Hmm, that's a favorite...oh good one...yup, liked that one...' :)

I think for me, one of the more bizarre films I have ever seen is the update of "The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari" -- a film with NO dialogue and shot entirely in slow motion. It wasn't the film content I found so unusual, but how the director chose to shoot the work. It took a couple of tries to get through it, but I'm glad I finally did.

[rbnyc]

60. I had the same reaction.

Most of the movies on this list I don't think are that strange. And a lot of them are my favorites.

I've actually never seen The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari. Have you seen The Saragossa Manuscript?

[Terwilliger]

108. wrong place

A guy wakes up to find that all of humanity has vanished! Very interesting, but definitely strange.

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0089869/

[skypilot]

54. Aside from the most obvious....

...which would be Eraserhead, I'd say on of the strangest movies I've ever seen is the Paul Morrissey/Andy Warhol movie "Trash" which stars a young Joe Dallesandro as a junkie living with a tranvestite (Holly Woodlawn) in a filthy NY apartment. The movie pretty much depicts his quest for "junk" and the weird people he meets, most of whom somehow contrive to get our young anti-hero naked. A strange, VERY campy, sort-of -classic.

[FloridaJudy]

56. O Lucky Man!

Lindsay Anderson, 1973
You can't beat the English for sheer weirdness. This one was like a cross between David Lynch and Grand Guinol.

Another bizarre little British gem is Richard Lester's *The Bedsitting Room* (1969). After World War III, people mutate into real estate...

[Lydia Leftcoast]

66. And I'd forgotten about O Lucky Man

What a weird-out.

[rbnyc]

57. The Saragossa Manuscript. (THIS IS THE STRANGEST MOVIE EVER)

Have you seen it? This is it. I promise.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059643/combined

In the Napoleonic wars, an officer finds an old book that relates his grandfather's story, Alfons van Worden, captain in the Walloon guard. A man of honor and courage, he seeks the shortest route through the Sierra Morena. At an inn, the Venta Quemada, he sups with two Islamic princesses. They call him their cousin and seduce him; he wakes beside corpses under a gallows. He meets a hermit priest and a goatherd; each tells his story; he wakes again by the gallows. He's rescued from the Inquisition, meets a cabalist and hears more stories within stories, usually of love. He returns to Venta Quemada, the women await with astonishing news.

[CanuckAmok]

84. OMG! Someone else saw this? I thought I dreamed it!!

Not really, but I did see it once, in a rep cinema. Man, is it ever fucked-up. And it gets so preposterous half-way through that the audience just kept laughing with each flashback.

No wondewr it is billed as "Jerry Garcia's favourite film"!

[amber dog democrat]

104. Id forgotten about this one. YES

This movie has haunted me for years.

[Cocoa]

63. "Performance"

with Mick Jagger.

Wtf was that? There is a good song on the soundtrack, however.

[LanternWaste]

64. Return to the Valley of the Dolls

Call me naive, but I had never seen the film, "Return to the Valley of the Dolls" despite my closing in on forty years of life. Saw it and had absolutely no idea what to make of it. Now bear in mind, I've seen some pretty bizarre stuff, from the David Lynch films to some *very* trippy silent film era stuff (e.g., Strange Cabinet of Dr. Caligari), but Return to VotD was just plain weirdness! I didn't know if it was suppose to be a serious film or someone's idea of a practical joke on movie-going America.

On the plus side, I'm very, very glad I had given up smoking pot years before because if I had seen this stoned, well... I'd probably be in a mental institution as I write this

[MrScorpio]

65. The Magic Christian

Ringo Starr and Peter Sellers up to some really crazy shit.

Why? Who knows.

[Kat45]

71. Yeah, that was a pretty bizarre movie as well.

I didn't know WTF was going on in that one.

Zappa's 200 Motels was also bizarre, but that was to be expected from Frank Zappa.

[DS1]

67. Reflecting Skin

.

[rbnyc]

72. Never saw it.

Going to IMDB now.

Mom got me a DVD player for Xmas!

;-)

[DS1]

74. It's a doozy

although it's a long time since I've seen. Not graphic as the title might suggest

[onebigbadwulf]

68. Muholland Drive

But I figured it out, sorta...

[maveric]

69. Julien, Donkey Boy.

A B&W Dogme film about a young man in Brooklyn that lives in a bizzare and disturbing household full of bizzare and disturbing family members.

The film was "disturbing".

Anyone ever see it?

[Kat45]

70. Probably Un Chien Andalou

It was bizarre enough as it was, but I really didn't need to see the scene with the cutting of the eye. Yuck!

The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari was pretty bizarre as well. The two most bizarre movies I've seen, and I saw both of them in classes in college.

[AlFrankenFan]

73. Death to Smoochy

[peekaloo]

75. Carnival of Souls

[Sapphocrat]

77. One more: Swoon

Based on the Leopold-Loeb kidnapping-murder of the 1920s. The deliberate anachronisms (e.g., touch-tone phone beeps!) are just one weird aspect. Truly one of the weirdest, most disorienting films out there!

[kixot]

78. Naked Lunch

Don't worry, reading the book leaves you just as perplexed.

[hellhathnofury]

90. They actually made a movie version? n/t

[DulceDecorum]

79. The Silent Flute

Especially the bits concerning the man in oil.
But at least it wasn't gut-wrenchingly disgusting - just STRANGE.

[Selwynn]

83. Honorably Mention goes to Buffalo '66

It's not really that "strange" I guess, but its one of the most fascinating movies I've seen.

[Lindsey]

86. Mulholland Drive

I thought it was a great ride - I just didn't know where I was when I got there.

[LynneSin]

97. I love Buffalo 66

It's been running on HBO Zone a bit lately.

[Cat Atomic]

87. Six-String Samurai

It's so odd- but the cinematography is fucking fantastic. It looks like a big budget movie, but it had a 10k budget.

[CanuckAmok]

89. I agree with most of these, plus "The Lost Continent"

Weird story set, in part, on the Sargasso Sea. The scenes played out on the Sargasso Sea were shot with all the performers wearing helium baloons to keep from sinking into the seaweed.

[wanderingbear]

92. Pink Floyd The Wall..

[The Undertaker]

93. Strange Brew...

and it sucked. :puke:

[JVS]

106. That movie was great

[lazarus]

94. Has to be Eraserhead.

Just bizarre.

[slack]

95. Gyakufunsha Kazoku

from Japan, 1984
http://www.thegline.com/dvd-of-the-week/2002/09-30-2002.htm

or something from peter greenaway. strange movies.

[mac56]

98. Second on "Eraserhead".

I've been told it's what schizophrenia looks like.

[lapislzi]

99. Third on Eraserhead

but it was appealing in a bizarro kind of way.

[NashVegas]

100. Delicatessen

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0101700/

Jeunet & Caro would go on to make my #1 movie of the 1990's - City of Lost Children

[slack]

101. Great movie

I love it

[amber dog democrat]

102. Eraser Head

dream logic?

but as a drive in theater projectionist - maybe the worst was Blood Sucking Freaks.
I worked on a film named MONGREL that had a pretty wierd premise.

[nyrnyr1994]

107. Donnie Darko

Not the strangest one of all time for me, but one of the more recent ones i've seen. And what made it even more strange for me is an eerily(sp?) resemblence of the guy who played darko to a friend of mine.

[Terwilliger]

109. The Quiet Earth

A guy wakes up to find that all of humanity has vanished! Very interesting, but definitely strange.

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0089869/

[CanuckAmok]

111. I loved that one!

[CBHagman]

110. Easily "Santa Sangre"

My then-housemates and I were simply aghast at all the strange images and events in "Santa Sangre."

I'd give an honorable (?) mention to "Age of Consent," with Helen Mirren and James Mason.

[Forkboy]

114. Tetsuo:The Iron Man

the weirdest damn flick ever made,bar NONE!