SpiderMan's most awesome nemesis.

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Use any and all criteria to select the most awesome nemesis of SpiderMan. Agility. Psychological intimidation. Urban tenacity. Sheer speed. Cunning and smarts. Best costume. Witty dialogue. And so forth.

Who is SpiderMan's most awesome nemesis?

[Nevernose]

1. I'm a Gob/Hobgoblin fan, though I think Kraven made the best enemy

He involved Mary Jane, after all, a no-no.

\\AFter that, I'm still a fan of MacFarlane and his black suit stories.

I guess I'm going on pure story line here.

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4. Agreed. Kraven was not to be taken lightly.

And the artists did a great job of making that mustache of his extraordinarily menacing.

[Richard Steele]

2. Can't decide 'most awesome', but...

...J.J.J was certainly the one that PISSED ME OFF the most.

He did more damage than any 2 villians, but Spidey couldn't
MORALLY harm a hair on his head.

There's a reserved subcircle
in HELL for people like him.

[saltpoint]

3. Yep. He was one mean newspaper editor. Didn't have quite the

physical punch of Kraven or some of the others, but he was a five-star asshole just the same.

Good call.

[ComerPerro]

7. Shoulda had Bill OReiley play him in the movie

[saltpoint]

10. LOL! Perfect!

[Richard Steele]

11. Woulda made a crappier movie, but a GodSend to the US economy

O'Reilley couldn't act his way out of a shower scene
if Katherine Hepburn herself led him by the loofah.

But 100 million American theater-goers throwing stuff at the screen
would mean some MAJOR sales increases for NestleCorp,
and SERIOUSLY increased demand for entry-level broom operators
and spittle-removal technicians.

In the BushCabal™ economy, the hiring-spike would have been
front page news!

But seriously, I think the actual bigscreen JJJ was an act of casting
genius, just like picking Tobey Maguire to play PP.

That's why that was a great movie. We all knew the story by heart,
so they wisely left the story intact and spent great effort in
finding JUUUUST the right actors to tell it.

Compare that to the rancidly horrid 'Hulk' confusion-fest.
The last time I saw a BOMB that size, it was being loaded
into a B29 named 'Enola Gay'.

Good actors, my favorite CGI scene of all time,
but they messed with the story;
they turned free GOLD into 80 million-dollar SHIT
right before our eyes.

Whoever was responsible for that Hulk debacle...
if their IQ ever hits 70, they should SELL!

[hfojvt]

13. they hardly left the story intact

Where was Gwen Stacey? and the brilliant Peter Parker who invents his own webbing and delivery device rather than shooting out of his wrists? None of that was as bad as the ending, which ruined the whole thing for me - beyond repair. "Boy gets girl, but then says 'I can't'" Well, that's certainly something different, but different does not mean better. The only thing that could be worse would be the new "Daredevil". I have not seen either that, though, or the Hulk or the Fantastic Four.

[Richard Steele]

17. Oh, the only reason you could ask "how could there be anything worse"

is because you haven't seen the HULK.

Daredevil sucked ass, but the HULK was like salad-tossing-on acid BAD.

There are no words in the English language which could
ever begin to express the scale of that failure.

Avoid it. Don't ever watch it. Life is too short.
90 minutes beating your head against a wall would
be a far, far better use of your time on this planet.

[ermoore]

44. Spiderman wasn't too bad.

The Spiderman movies were alright. Little things like the webshooters are just the unfortunate, but forgiveable casualties of the on-screen adaptation. Things like the omission of Gwen Stacey and the romantic-ish ending in regards to MJ are just the by-product of Hollywood feeling the need to follow a formula to try and please various demographics.

Hulk was almost as bad as the other dude said it was. Daredevil was actually a LOT worse than the Hulk. Daredevil may have been one of the worst movies I've ever seen (not as bad as Batman and Robin, but not much better either).

I actually like the Fantastic Four movie. It was just a big dumb action movie, but it didn't pretend to be anything else. And it was a good action movie. I went in with low expectations, but came out very pleased.

Best Spiderman villain . . . the Green Goblin is his prime arch-nemesis, but Venom, Carnage, the Jackal, Doc Ock, Kraven, and the Clone-Saga writers all deserve some thought. Spidey really does have a great rogues gallery, but it's gotta be the Green Goblin though, in terms of just having done the most damage to Spiderman.

[noonwitch]

34. I thought having Vern Schillenger from Oz play him was good casting

JK Simmons is a good actor. He scared the crap out of me as the white supremecist Schillenger.

[Lethe]

5. Venom?

Tombstone?

[saltpoint]

6. Yep. No argument from me. (Only had room for a handful...

and then added 'OTHER' at the end so people could throw in their own choices.)

And yours are excellent, IMO.

[ComerPerro]

8. venom is terrifying. especially his psychotic hatred of Spidey

But Norman Osborne's Green Goblin, throwing Spiderman's girlfriend off a bridge and killing her, nothing tops that.

[sakabatou]

32. Well... It was Spidey that actually killed Gwen

Or rather his inexperience with the physics of his webbing that killed her.

[ComerPerro]

33. Well, if you want to get technical

its not the fall that kills you, its the sudden stop...

Yes, I know that literally spidey killed her when he hit her with his webbing, but the Goblin threw her off the bridge...

[Norwood]

9. Venom hands down!

I'm not much of a comic book guy and I never really cared for spiderman all that much, but Venom is like my all time favorite comic character.

[Broken_Hero]

12. other

Venom hands down got me interested in Spiderman comics, and with the addition of Carnage the whole symbiote suit triangle was awesome....:) I am still skeptical of Topher Grace in Spidey III but I trust Raimi, big time....:)

[saltpoint]

14. Yep. So far the film series has been a string of true delights.

I'll be in line for a ticket when they get around to releasing that 3rd one.

[Broken_Hero]

15. I probably won't go opening weekend

but the following weekend, you better believe it...:) I'm not a big fan of opening day/weekend movies. I have only gone opening day to Superman Returns, but Supes is my main guy...:) The trailer looks great, and I'm staying away from the Spiderman movie boards, the superman boards leaked a lot of info, which 99% of it was actually "true." It amazed me how much leaked info was out, plus they released Superman Returns the novel like a month before the movie even came out...

[saltpoint]

16. A good strategy. We don't usually go to any film on a Saturday night.

Too many people yakking and walking back and forth for Pepsi and popcorn.

The off-hour, off-night showing usually draws us, tho.

I may steal your second-week strategy for SPIDERMAN III.

[Richard Steele]

19. I doubt I'll go at all. I'll wait to pay 3.99 on PPV some evening.

I fully expect spiderman 3 to be severely disappointing;
No film series in history has ever gone 3 for 3
at Spiderman levels of greatness.

Matrix: Amazingly awesome. Matrix 2, barely mediocre, M3: utter shit.

Alien: Awesome, Aliens: Amazingly awesome. A3: uterly boring B-movie shit.

Terminator: Great, T2: Amazingly awesome, T3: utterly boring B-movie shit until I fell asleep.

Manhunter: A groundbreaking REVELATION! Silence of the Lambs: Awesome.
Hannibal: Mediocre B-movie rehash. Red Dragon: Utter shit low-rez photocopy of Manhunter.

Don't even get me STARTED on Star Wars.

[Broken_Hero]

20. I dont' know

I think the trilogy of LOTR was pretty decent...1 was good, 2 was okay, and ROTK was great! :) I got faith, but who knows...I'm trying to be optimistic, plus Venom is in it....but again, X3, which had Juggernaut(one chaotic man, and another personal fave) and they botched him up pretty well IMO. But who knows....:)

[Random_Australian]

18. Venom runs a close second to Carnage, IIRC.

But I don't remember the latter to well. Never did see much of him.

Or was he spidey mutated or something?

Was the Doppleganger one of spideys as well?

So long since I have seen any of this!

[Broken_Hero]

21. Venom....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venom_(comics)

This should help you out...:hi:

[saltpoint]

22. Hey there. Yep -- SpiderMan is a bit far back in my memory, too,

at least those comic books.

The films have been terrific.

What a great story concept, and what a creative trajectory.

[Random_Australian]

23. The difference between you and me is that

I am 18 and never saw those comic books or movies.

Don't ask how I know this stuff, I sort of absorb information.

[saltpoint]

28. Whether 18 or 118, you have the expansive mind to fall in love with

the writing in those early Silver-Age Marvel comic tales.

I was expressly forbidden to read them by the grown-ups in charge, but managed to keep a clandestine stash of SpiderMan, Daredevil, Thor, and so forth.

What a treat those stories were.

Random_Australian, I think you would absolutely love those early issues.

[Human Torch]

24. Karen Hughes. She REALLY screwed up his Spidey Sense.

:evilgrin:

[saltpoint]

25. Ah, and there's Karen now. What a photo. That blouse she's wearing

bears a striking resemblance to the green Fred Arbogast Hula-Popper fishing lure.

It's an excellent fishing lure for largemouth bass on still mornings.

But it leaves something to be desired as a fashion statement, IMO.

[Phillycat]

26. There is no comparison - Doc Oc

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29. Have to say, Doc Oc was a crafty one. When he moved in with Aunt May

to rent that room in Peter Parker's own house -- well -- that was the most appalling thing that ever happened.

I'm STILL shaken by it.

Those mechanical arms and that brilliant-if-evil mind... What a dastardly and formidable foe he was.

[RedStateShame]

27. "Fearful Symmetry" was the greatest Spidey storyline ever.

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30. Refresh my memory on that one...

I have a bad habit of remembering the story context and forgetting the titles.

[RedStateShame]

31. "Fearful Symmetry" in a nutshell

Kraven hunts Spider-Man, considering him the ultimate game. Kraven shoots Spider-Man with a tranquilizer gun and buries him. While Spider-Man comes to and battles his way from a coffin and 6 feet of earth, Kraven dons a Spidey costume of his own and vanquishes Vermin, the subterranean human-vermin terror. Feeling that he has proven that he can not only defeat Spider-Man, but out-hero Spider-Man, he feels he has reached his peak, and before Spider-Man can avenge his "death," Kraven shoots himself in the head. One of the best views in the psychology of a comic book villain.



I can sum up comic books just fine, but spelling's hard work.

[saltpoint]

37. You do just great. Don't apologize for a thing.

Loved that account of SpiderMan action.

No kidding. That was just terrific.

[Ravenseye]

35. Electro, Mysterio, Sandman

I like alot of the early ones. They got off to such an amazing start with Spiderman

The Chameleon, The Vulture, The Tinkerer, Doctor Octopus, The Sandman, Doctor Doom, The Lizard, Electro, Mysterio, The Green Goblin, Kraven the Hunter, The Ringmaster, The Scorpion...

All that within the first 20 issues...

I'd say the most awesome of those would probably be, imho Sandman.

[saltpoint]

39. Mysterio and Sandman are not to be discounted.

Fearsome and formidable.

They both pack a punch if you ask me. Different kinds of foes, but each in his way very poweful and unsettling.

[ElboRuum]

36. Toss up between Venom and Mary Jane Watson...

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38. For different reasons, though, I hope. Mary Jane is a strong female

character -- a plus in and of itself -- but Peter Parker has difficulties being Mary Jane's beau and defender against Venom, Doc Oc, etc.

It's hard out there for a super-hero.

[sakabatou]

42. That's why he tries breaking up with her

Many many times.

I've even heard from D.C. Comic fans that Peter has Stockholm Syndrome to MJ.

[Broken_Hero]

43. Bigtime...

on edit:I haven't read any spiderman since 2001, so their relationship might have changed since then, but I doubt it...

[Rabrrrrrr]

40. Jim Shooter

[Dukkha]

41. The Can Crusher

The Spoiler
Mr. Measles
Dr. Fright
The Beekeeper
The Thumper
The Bookworm
The Wall
The Birthday Bandit
The Prankster
The Mouse
The Sitter
The Yeti

these are all foes on The Electric Company's Spider Man

[Arkham House]

45. The Buzzard...?

*ahem*...I haven't read Spidey for a few years now, but I still think you mean the Vulture, don't you...?

[Mutley]

46. Carnage.

Or Venom. Yeah, Venom.