Wow, my wife and I are soon to be labeled 'heretics' by the So. Bapt. Conv

[ChoralScholar]

My wife mentioned to her mother that we had considered joining a church where we live. It is Disciples of Christ, a much more liberal denomination. Her mother told her, that if she joined that church, she would be labeled a heretic by the neocon SBC church of her upbringing.

Nevermind the audacity of a mother telling her daughter this...

I would not want to be a member of a church that says "We're right... unequivocally. Everyone else is a heretic." They can take that hypocritical arrogance and stick it elsewhere.

The thing that churches hate to hear... is that their particular denomination was founded on someones OPINION of the interpretation of the Bible. Nothing more, nothing less.

Sorry... I'm a little fed up with this arrogant self-righteous nonsense that comes from her parents.

[Lars39]

1. Any parent that puts love of church over love of their own child

is a sad specimen. Any church that demands such a thing is a cult.
Fwiw,we're currently being 'shunned' by my SB inlaws. :hi:

[ChoralScholar]

5. Pretty well that's what 's happening here.

They said they'd rather us be OUT of church, than in the 'wrong' church. The nerve of some people.

[Generic Brad]

10. Agreed

I have been excommunicated from my family over my lack of religion. But don't cry for me. I'm a big boy and I can take it.

[bullwinkle428]

25. Church over child...party over country...I'd like to see one of these

cultists try to explain the difference to me!

[RevCheesehead]

2. Tell 'em Jesus was labeled a heretic by the Pharisees.

So said the heathen Methodist preacher lady. :hi:

[ChoralScholar]

4. :)

You always know the right thing to say.

I'm currently reading "Misquoting Jesus" by Bart Ehrman. Have you read it? Quite an intriguing read.

[RevCheesehead]

8. I heard it was really good.

I have two Harry Potter books that need to be read first.
(I'm teaching confirmation this year.... first things first!)

[swimboy]

11. Mmmmm.

:loveya: swimboy love to you from this mischievous Methodist gay lay boy.

(Wow, does THAT ever sound wicked!) :rofl:

[RevCheesehead]

14. All the more reason to love you, my dear!

:hug::loveya:

[RetroLounge]

15. "Methodist gay lay boy."

:rofl:

:hi:

RL

[Mojambo]

3. I wish someone would label me a heretic

I could put it on my business cards.

[ChoralScholar]

7. Not a bad idea.

Can we condense it to an acronym, so I can put it on my office door also?

Instead of

ChoralScholar, PhD.
it could be
ChoralScholar, HrT.

[Richard Steele]

12. Same here. The problem is...

...that it's hard to be called a heretic PERSONALLY
unless you actually belong to the church that is
doing the condemning. And frankly, I ain't joinin'
no church just for that.

[donco6]

21. Is there a little decal you can put on your car?

That's what I want.

[Vidar]

37. heretic.

[Ptah]

6. I think you'll find the Disciples of Christ very rewarding.

One of the congregations here in Tucson is quite active:

The Humane Borders:
http://www.humaneborders.org/about/about_quickfacts.html
# Founded: June 11, 2000, as an Arizona Corporation with 501(c)(4) IRS status.
# Headquarters: First Christian Church, Tucson, Ariz.



Some famous Disciples:

# Lyndon Baines Johnson, 36th President of the United States (whose family, however, had been staunchly Baptist and whose wife Lady Bird Johnson is a devoted Anglican)


# Ronald Reagan, 40th President of the United States (baptized into the Disciples as a youth, but a member of Bel Air Presbyterian Church in his later years)

[ChoralScholar]

9. Disciples of Christ is very strong here in North Arkansas

and Southern Missouri. The DoC congregation here was the first church when this area was settled in the 1820s.

We like it a lot...

[SoyCat]

22. My FIL attends a Disciples of Christ church and enjoys it a lot. The

funny thing is that he is as right-wing as they come! I think he gets on with the church's more liberal views on science because he's a retired petroleum engineer and can't exactly go for creationism.

[ashling]

13. Congratulations!

You know what they say, "once Saved ..." So as long as you've already got your ticket punched, go for it.

[rug]

16. Get a good lawyer.

[donco6]

20. BWAHA! Good one.

Almost spewed my hot chocolate when that pic came up.

[Arugula Latte]

17. My advice: Drop church and religion altogether.

You don't need dogma and fairy tales. You know how to behave in society. Your time could be so much better spent.

That's just my 2 cents. Not that you asked... :evilgrin:

[Floogeldy]

30. I think Choral Scholar has us on ignore.

;)

[ChoralScholar]

35. Choral Scholar has you on asleep. :) EOM

[RoyGBiv]

18. A Heretic?

I didn't know Baptists had that authority. Hmmm ... learn something new every day. :evilgrin:

A somewhat related story relayed to me by my mother about a cousin who sits on the edge of such things. She was raised a Baptist, but as a child started questioning certain things about the SBC where she went. According to them, a baptism didn't mean anything unless it was performed *in* a church building and resulted in the individual becoming a member of that church. Otherwise, you'd still go to Hell.

"Daddy," she said at the time, "does that mean since Jesus wasn't baptized in a church that he went to Hell?"

Mom said he started having serious ulcer problems about that same time.

[ChoralScholar]

19. Yeah...

It's one thing to take things from the Bible literally, and extrapolate them all over society, like the SBC does...

It's another thing just to make shit up, and foist it upon everyone as the word of God.

[Floogeldy]

23. This is why organized religion blows shit through a tailpipe.

Run.

[reyd reid reed]

24. Oooooh...you are?

Really?

Gonna throw a big party to celebrate? Can I come, huh? huh?

:bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:







I don't mean to be flippant...I'm sorry that you're having to go through all this nasty family stuff, it's got to be rough on your wife.

[ChoralScholar]

26. It's almost a badge of honor to me.

My wife doesn't want to upset her parents, but that's the difference between her and me.

I'm a grown man, and my spiritual existence is mine alone to live. All others, family included, can MYOB.

[reyd reid reed]

29. Sooooo...

the only question that remains then, is:

Open bar or BYOB?

:D

[ChoralScholar]

36. We'll have a keg of Killian's Red...

otherwise, it's BYOB

[bertha katzenengel]

27. For many people, their "faith" is more important than their children.

They get it from worshiping a god that ordered one follower to sacrifice his son, who let a prophet get bears to maul scores of children because the kids made fun of him, and who "so loved the world" that he let his own son get tortured to death.

This is the love of god. In her own way, your mother in law is showing her love for her daughter.

:grr:

I am sorry your wife and you have that kind of crap in your lives.

[ChoralScholar]

28. I hate to think that way about my wife's parents

but you have to call a spade a spade, when the evidence is looking you in the face.

[ContraBass Black]

31. Can I get labeled a heretic too?

[ChoralScholar]

40. Sure.. the more the merrier.

Plus, we'll need good solid basses after the rapture. Got a low B? We're planning a performance of Mahler's 2nd.

[hunter]

32. All you Protestants are heretics.

Tell your wife's mom it could be worse -- you could be Catholic.

Good luck, ChoralScholar!

[NMMNG]

33. When do you get your official "Heretic" wallet ID cards?

;-)

Considering the SBC is the source, I'd wear the label as a badge of pride. But that's just me.

[Evoman]

34. Hey, being atheist is cool. Think about giving it a shot.

You don't have to go to church AT ALL. Unless they come to your door, you don't even have to listen to any fundies. Its great.

[nosillies]

38. Congratulations! I consider any day that I piss off a So Bap a good day

And it's so easy to do. I started young, as me and my other friends in my Methodist youth group used to sit around trying to think up ways to make them mad. It all started when the SBs tried to get MTV banned from our local cable when it first came out...ahhh, the memories.

[Lowell]

39. Wow! What an honor

all I ever get labeled is "heathen". Keep the home fires burning.

[ChoralScholar]

43. hehe 'fires'

I do feel like I'm going to be burned at the stake sometimes.

[Critters2]

41. The Disciples are wonderful!

My own denomination keeps coming close to merging with 'em, but it isn't official yet (I keep hoping!). I did interim ministry for the Disciples for 4 years, and found it a great experience. My grandparents were committed Disciples.

Disciples are absolutely non-creedal, so there were Conservatives sitting in worship with liberals, and everybody in between--as God intends, imo!

Really--great people!

[ChoralScholar]

42. I really enjoy the services,

and the lack of neo-conservative propaganda.