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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 10:26 AM
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Poll question: Most deserved of the "Rock God" title: Zeppelin or the Who?
Now you know where I stand on this issue, but I will recognize the Who's right to at least challenge the mighty Zep on this issue.

So is it Led Zeppelin:



...or The Who?

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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 10:29 AM
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1. Zep DEFINES the term Rock Gods!
I'd take Floyd over either of them any day, but Zeppelin are the archetypical Rock Gods.
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 10:29 AM
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2. No contest
The Who. Led Zeppelin does nothing for me. A few tunes here and there were ok, but I can't listen to them. The Who on the other hand, I can listen to their stuff all day. They have/had versatility which Zep was sorely lacking in my opinion.
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dolo amber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 10:29 AM
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3. Mega-dittos
:thumbsup:
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 10:34 AM
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6. Absolutely. Rock on, Pete and Roger.
Edited on Wed Aug-23-06 10:37 AM by speedoo
I learned last night that John Entwistle died in 2002. Cocaine-induced heart attack. Where the fuck have I been? RIP, John. You were the greatest rock bassist ever.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 10:57 AM
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13. Did you hear WHERE he died? The Hard Rock in Las Vegas. Need
I say more? The Who over Led Zepplin any day. Zepplin was great in their own way, but they get monotonous after a while, and after thirty years, I can't even listen to them anymore. I switch "Stairway to Heaven" off my radio faster than "Livin' La Vida Loca" these days. Great voice, great guitar work, but not nearly enough musicality to keep my attention long. The Who never gets boring.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 10:59 AM
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17. Ah but Bonham died on a MOTORCYCLE
THAT is going out like a Rock God!
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:04 AM
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22. Hm. Good point.
:)
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:06 AM
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25. Wait a minute, no he didn't!
Had me for a second. Bonham died in his sleep after drinking all day. Not Rock God! Just not.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:07 AM
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29. Well neither is dying from a drug overdose (ie Keith Moon)
:P
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:16 AM
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39. Yeah, but Moon's final words were "If you don't like it, you can just
fuck off!" Now that's pretty Rock God-ish!

The rest of his death wasn't. He overdoses on prescription medicine meant to wean him off alcohol, when he supposedly reached a state of confusion and kept taking pills he forgot he had already taken. He died in the same bed as Cass Elliot had died in, in a room owned by Nilsson.

Nilsson, anti-alcohol drugs, Mamas and Papas... sigh... But he was a great drummer. The rest of the band says "The Who" died with him.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:06 AM
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26. Bonham died in his own puke
:cry:

He died at Jimmy Page's place where I believe they were getting ready for their upcoming US tour
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:11 AM
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33. That sucks.
Are they sure it was his vomit?

After all it's pretty hard to find prints in vomit
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:17 AM
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40. Jimmy Page found him in it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bonham

On September 24, 1980, Bonham was picked up by Led Zeppelin assistant Rex King from The Old Hyde to be at rehearsals at Bray Studios for the upcoming tour of the United States, the band's first since 1977. During the journey Bonham had asked to stop for breakfast, where he downed four quadruple vodkas (roughly sixteen shots (~8cl) of vodka), with a ham roll. After taking a bite of the ham roll he said to his assistant 'Breakfast.' He then continued to drink when he arrived at the studio. A halt was called to the rehearsals late in the evening and the band retired to Page's house — The Old Mill House in Clewer, Windsor. After midnight, Bonham had fallen asleep and was taken to bed on his side. It was rumored that he had a total of forty shots that night. Tour Manager (replacing Richard Cole, who had been arrested for suspicion of terrorism) Benji LeFevre and John Paul Jones found him dead the next morning. Bonham was just 32.

The cause of death was asphyxiation caused by choking on his own vomit. A subsequent coroner inquest found no other drugs in Bonham's body. John Bonham was cremated and a funeral was held on October 10th, 1980 at Rushock, Worcestershire parish church near The Old Hyde farm. A picture of his gravestone can be seen above.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:19 AM
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41. You missed my Spinal Tap ref
:(
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:21 AM
Response to Reply #41
43. Would you believe I've never watched Spinal Tap
and I keep meaning to go out and rent it sometime soon
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #43
48. Oh....My...God...
Do not pass go

Do not collect $200

Go see this now
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #43
93. Stop wasting time here and go see it
Best
movie
ever
Besides, you'll love what it has to say about New Wave Chick's alma mater: "It's just a cracker university."
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:51 AM
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60. Yeah, after he'd had about 35 shots of booze.
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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:20 AM
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42. Wasn't that Berry Oakley of the Allman Brothers?
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:02 AM
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21. Yeah, I read that in wiki.
It was just before the band's first performance on a tour in 2002.

He was only 58.
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 10:56 AM
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12. I'm the other way around
I do not now, nor have I ever had, any use for The Who.

Zep's bluesy early sound works for me.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 10:33 AM
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4. Have you SEEN the new boss?
It's the Who, mofo.
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 10:34 AM
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5. Zeppelin, of course. The Who could be the "gods' angels", though.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 10:39 AM
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7. Led Zeppelin and here's why
Edited on Wed Aug-23-06 10:42 AM by LynneSin
Probably thanks to Bonham's death, Led Zeppelin called it quits back in 1980 and avoided falling into irrelevancy that was starting to show with "In through the Out Door". They were set with the 9 albums they put out and every couple of years gave some teasers to the fans starting with CODA, the box set, the BBC sessions and the DVD release. Sure Plant, Page and Jones have moved on with their career with perhaps a few mini/partial reunion (like the Page & Plant tour back in the mid-90s), the thing is this - Led Zeppelin solidified their dominance, quit while they were just starting to peak and didn't keep having fricking 'Farewell' tours every 3-4 years. Plus with the absolute lack of any new Led Zeppelin material has elevated everything they created to legendary.

The Who (and also Rolling Stones) have destroy that legendary status by continue to tour and putting out sub-standard albums time and time again. Geez, I was at the Who Farewell tour back in 1989, how many did they have after that. And the Stones haven't put anything out memorable since Some Girls from I believe the early 80s.

The Who found Keith Moon replaceable whereas Led Zeppelin felt that the loss of John Bonham was too great to continue on (even though now Bonham's son Jason is an amazingly skilled drummer who plays just like his dad). This halted the downward slope that you could see coming from the band with their last 2 albums (although both albums - Presense and Door were amazing albums).

So even though during the time period when both LZ and the Who were both giants in the rock world and perhaps the Who was outclassing LZ, because the Who continued on years afterwards they no longer have that legend status that Led Zeppelin has.

Sometimes you just have to know when to stop and allow the legend to continue
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 10:45 AM
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8. Yup
And also consider The Who could never have crafted such lyrics like:

The hammer of the gods
Will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying
Valhalla, I am coming

I mean come on, if that stanza alone doesn't qualify them for "Rock God" status, I don't know what would...
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 10:54 AM
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11. I'm actually happy The Who did not write lyrics like that.
It's what puts me off about LZ. I have no fucking idea what most of their songs are about.

I like some of their hard blues stuff, but Stairway to Heaven is to me the most over-played cut in the rock world.

I agree that The Who has produced a lot of mediocre stuff, but their best is better that LZ's best, for me.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 10:57 AM
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14. Vikings! Dude it's about VIKINGS!
They're the "immigrants"
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 10:59 AM
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18. Most true Zeppelin fans feel the same way about Stairway
Even Robert Plant hates the song.

But much of their lyrics were inspire by such books as the Lord of the Rings triology and the concept of middle earth. Their music wasn't to be preaching a message but telling of a story. That's probably some of the basis of why "Song Remains the Same" was filmed the way it was - to put on film the stories behind the songs.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 10:59 AM
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19. I hate Stairway too, but it is the only example of a track ending in'solo'
Edited on Wed Aug-23-06 10:59 AM by Taverner
Sad, but true
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:05 AM
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23. Technincally it ends with Plant singing
Not buying the "Ends with a Guitar solo" stuff ;p
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:11 AM
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34. To me, that's not rock and roll.
Rock and roll is about basic human emotions.... love, lust, sadness, joy and like that. A few gifted artists like Dylan and Springsteen are allowed to explore other important areas like justice because they have done so for many many years with great effect.

I have no interest in Tolkien or the middle earth, and I certainly don't want to listen to music about it that pretends to be rock and roll.
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 10:45 AM
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9. Not only that, but, even though I love the Who, I found a significant
amount of work they did to be somewhat pedestrian and commercial. I don't feel that Zep ever fell into those categories. Zep all the way, baby!
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 10:48 AM
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10. I think Zeppelin would have fell into that category if they continued on
even if Bonham hadn't died. I mean hell, I remember "Fool in the Rain" being played on non-AOR FM stations back when ITTOD was released. They even played it at our local skating rink
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 10:58 AM
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15. Fool in the Rain may be pedestrian, but try playing the drum track
Ask any drummer and they will attest it is one of the harder tracks to master.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:01 AM
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20. I loved "Fool in the Rain" - probably in my top 10
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-647877711444041939&q=Fool+in+the+Rain

I love this cut of Robert Plant with Pearl Jam. Probably one of the few live performances of the song with someone from Led Zeppelin singing it (ironically Plant needed the lyrics, but hey the song was over 20 years old and never performed live)
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:58 PM
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89. I've got a demo with the drum truck isolated. It's awesome, you really don
't "get it" with the whole song.
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:12 AM
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35. All bands do, I think. That's why Hendrix, Morrison, the Beatles,
Edited on Wed Aug-23-06 11:12 AM by Joe Fields
Zeppelin, etc... are immortal. Untouchable. There comes a point in time when the amount of your body of work just cannot hold to the standards once set.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:26 AM
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47. Exactly
I mean for some of those bands it's sad that someone had to die in order to reach that legend status (you can also include Nirvana in that mix) but with the Beatles, they did it without anyone dying. But I think as more Beatles died (well it's only been 2) it's grown even further because now you know there isn't going to be a complete Beatles reunion.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:09 PM
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72. Disagree about the Stones.
the 80's were a bad decade for them like most 60's rock bands, but Voodoo Lounge and Bridges to Babylon were both solid albums with some great songs.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 04:05 PM
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102. That was a wise move - I believe a major part of LZ's success is the big,
booming drum sound - the drums seem far more prominent than in most other rock bands.
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 10:58 AM
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16. I admire the Who's ability to write lyrics without sourcing Tolkien.
:thumbsup:
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:05 AM
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24. I guess I'm a "Rock Atheist"
Edited on Wed Aug-23-06 11:05 AM by Richardo
"Neither of the above"
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:07 AM
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28. Pffft, you Herman's Hermits die-hards lack vision.
:eyes:
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:08 AM
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31. Like 'Something Good' was *not* the true anthem of my generation?
Edited on Wed Aug-23-06 11:11 AM by Richardo
:grr:



Woke up this mornin' feelin' fine
There's somethin' special on my mind
Last night I met a new girl in the neighbourhood, whoa yeah
Somethin' tells me I'm into something good
(Somethin' tells me I'm into somethin')

She's the kind of girl who's not too shy
And I can tell I'm her kind of guy
She danced close to me like I hoped she would
(She danced with me like I hoped she would)
Somethin' tells me I'm into something good
(Somethin' tells me I'm into somethin')

We only danced for a minute or two
But then she stuck close to me the whole night through
Can I be fallin' in love
(She's everthing I've been dreamin' of)
(She's everthing I've been dreamin' of)

I walked her home and she held my hand
I knew it couldn't be just a one-night stand
So I asked to see her next week and she told me I could
(I asked to see her and she told me I could)
Somethin' tells me I'm into something good
(Somethin' tells me I'm into somethin')
(Somethin' tells me I'm into somethin', ahhh)

I walked her home and she held my hand
I knew it couldn't be just a one-night stand
So I asked to see her next week and she told me I could
(I asked to see her and she told me I could)
Somethin' tells me I'm into something good
(Somethin' tells me I'm into somethin')
Somethin' tells me I'm into something good
(Somethin' tells me I'm into somethin')
To something good, oh yeah, something good
(Somethin' tells me I'm into somethin')
To something good, something good, something good
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:44 AM
Response to Reply #24
54. So am I
I don't like either the Who or that other group.
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Human Torch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:06 AM
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27. The Who, because they didn't record "Southbound Suarez."
:evilgrin:

:toast:
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:08 AM
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30. I LOVE SOUTH BOUND SAUREZ
although that song isn't in my top 10.
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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:10 AM
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32. Led Zeppelin, because they didn't record "Squeeze Box"
Edited on Wed Aug-23-06 11:11 AM by southpaw
:P
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:12 AM
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36. They could never have been that imaginative
Of course they could have "nicked it" and put their names on it. :evilgrin:
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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:14 AM
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38. What's a little musical thievery among friends?
:shrug:
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:14 AM
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37. HAHAHAHAHAHA
Too right, too right mate

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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:23 AM
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46. The Who didn't record D'yer Mak'er
Jamacian stylin' Led Zeppelin
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Human Torch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:32 AM
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51. Bob Marley had chunks of guys like Robert Plant in his...
...oh, never mind.

:evilgrin:
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dolo amber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:49 AM
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58. They *did* however record Quadrophenia
Game. Set. Match. ;)
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Human Torch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:56 AM
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63. "Bell Boy"
LISTEN to the chord that Townshend hits after the line "I used to follow you back in '63..."

LISTEN to Entwistle's bass on "The Real Me."

"The girl I used to love lives in that yellow house. Yesterday she passed me by. She doesn't want to know me now"...

ONE HELL OF A LOT BETTER than some gibberish about a bustle in the hedgerow and a spring clean for the May queen.

:evilgrin:

"Out of my brain on the 5:15?"

Ladies and gentlemen, I ask you: Who among us have NOT been out of their brains on the 5:15?

I rest my case.

:evilgrin:
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #27
65. I think if you want to compare "stinkers" that both groups made...
Edited on Wed Aug-23-06 11:58 AM by Joe Fields
the who would be miles ahead in that department. Led Zeppelin made very few bad songs.
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Human Torch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:01 PM
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67. If you define "very few" as HALF of ALL their songs, I agree.
I'd say that only about half of Led Zeppelin's entire catalog sucks like a vampire at the end of a four day hunger strike.

ONLY half.

50%.

The rest are fair to good, with a handful of classics.

:evilgrin:
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:03 PM
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69. I can think of 2
Stairway and Rock & Roll (because of that annoying commercial). The group was able to put out solid records that could have any given song being played on the radio at any given time. I think this was due to the fact that Page & Grant refused to release singles from the album but felt that the record should be bought and played in it's entirety
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 01:38 PM
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99. that's sort of funny
I think those are the only two of Zep that I can tolerate, but all I know is the ones from radio. Way back in the early 70s my local radio station played the latest Zeppelin album in its entirety, but I did not listen that night.
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:05 PM
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70. I think you're alone in that opinion.
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Human Torch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 01:19 PM
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92. "Lonely," perhaps. "Alone?" No way.
Ever heard of a little magazine I like to call "Rolling Stone?"

They completely trashed the band's first two albums.

As a result, the band hated their guts and it was years before they consented to a cover story.

:toast:

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10962835/at_war_with_the_mystics_led_zepp_vs_rolling_stone

In 1969, a twenty-one-year-old John Mendelsohn mailed Rolling Stone a review of Led Zeppelin's debut he'd written for his college paper. It was a scathing pan, and much to his surprise, Rolling Stone printed it.

That was the start of the magazine's combative relationship with Zeppelin, which didn't get any better when Rolling Stone invited Mendelsohn to review the band's second album. ("Hey, man, I take it all back!" it began, dripping with sarcasm. "This is one fucking heavyweight of an album! OK—I'll concede that until you've listened to the album eight hundred times, as I have, it seems as if it's just one especially heavy song extended over the space of two whole sides.") The bad vibes became legendary—as a character in Cameron Crowe's Almost Famous puts it, "It's Rolling Stone . . . the magazine that trashed Eric Clapton, broke up Cream, ripped Led Zeppelin!"

Lester Bangs gave a mixed review to Zeppelin III, and future Patti Smith Group guitarist Lenny Kaye raved about Zeppelin IV in 1971. But the damage was done. When Crowe was assigned a Led Zeppelin cover story in 1975, the band declined. "They had an idea that a cover, given their success, would be better for the magazine than them," Crowe says today. "I hatched a plan to stay on the '75 tour until they decided to give the RS piece a chance. I talked to Jimmy Page on their airplane, after a show one night, when he said, 'What the hell, Joe Walsh said I should trust you.' He posed for the cover holding an armful of black roses. That was his statement to Rolling Stone. The magazine chose a live shot in the end."

Crowe says that Zeppelin wore their negative press like a badge of honor. "They didn't need critics. They knew their music was too vital to stay ignored for too long."
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sundog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:21 AM
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44. jessica simpson
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NewWaveChick1981 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:21 AM
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45. The Who. They're just better.
I find Robert Plant's voice just a little too whiny for me. :P
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:28 AM
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49. THE ROLLING STONES!
Zep and the Who are second-tier gods.

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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:29 AM
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50. You're really kidding me
Stones becamse irrelevant sometime back in the early 80s since they continue to touring to promote the substandard crap they have been releasing these last 2 decades. I'd rather see a K-Fed concert than the Rolling Stones
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:40 AM
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53. I disagree with your previous thesis .....
that Led Zep somehow became more god-like because they quit at the height of their fame.

THAT is completely irrelevant, to me.

To consider the greatness of an artist, the best and most important work must be considered, what they were at the height of their game, because all groups slide in popularity and output. The Stones beat all other rockers, on that scale. Everyone is reduced to being an oldies act after awhile, which is what the Stones, the Who, and Led Zep ( in the Page/Plant permutations now) ALL are. The Stones are still a great live band, and have the most important output of these three bands, by far.

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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:51 AM
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61. You are the sum of the catalog of music you've produced over the years
Edited on Wed Aug-23-06 11:58 AM by LynneSin
Rolling Stones in their Hey Days had some of the most magnificent songs imaginable probably surpassing both the Who and LZ. But you'd be hardpress to find any general fan of classic rock to be able to name any Rolling Stones song put out since Emotional Rescue (which was released sometime in 1980). I could understand if they put out a few clankers here and there but the stones have been consistantly putting out substandard music for 25 years now which dampens the legend they should have been. Sure their concerts are big events, everyone wants to see the Rolling Stones because it's the hip thing to do, but they need those concerts to help recoup the money from their poorly selling crap that they put out every 2-4 years. People go to concerts (and I was to their 1989 concert promoting one of those crappy albums they put out) in hopes to hear a couple of the big classic songs scattered around the new crap they're trying to force feed you into buying. YOu could see the crowd go sit down when the new material was being played because they didn't know it and didn't really like it that much either

Now as for Led Zeppelin, Page was smart enough to not use that name when doing the reunion stuff with Robert Plant and even putting out "Walking in Clarksdale" because he knew the marketablility of the Led Zeppelin name and didn't want to risk tarnishing it should everything bomb.

It's sad because seriously, I think the Stones have put out more garbage then they have classic music. Even Rock stations rarely play any stones music after 1980 unless the Stones happen to be pushing a new album
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:01 PM
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68. Again, I disagree with the sum of the catalog concept
People remember the really important music they made, and forget the rest. Bob Dylan hasn't done anything that had the signifigance of his early work, and yet he is still the most important and influential figure in modern American popular music.

I hear Stones music on classic rock stations all the time, by the way. The Stones tour because that is what they do for a living and make a lot of money doing it.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:08 PM
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71. Although recent Bob Dylan albums haven't been as legendary as the earlier
they have also not sucked horribly either. He's been consistant in the quality of his music that has done since some of the amazing stuff he's put out in the 60's-70's. Plus Dylan has not whored himself out to corporate America the way that the Stones have. (yeah, I know Rock n Roll/Cadillac - hey, the money was pretty amazing they got for that). Hell a year ago I couldn't walk into Best Buy without seeing Stones plaster over everything. And again, they had to do it because the merits of the album itself would not have sold.
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:48 PM
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84. Dylan has gone to commercials, too
One for Victoria's Secret.

Kaiser Permanente is using his "The Times They Are A-Changin'" on tv now. Really repulsive use of a great song.

The Stones understand marketing, as they all do, they are all whores for the money.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:34 AM
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52. You can't be a rock god if you record "Emotional Rescue"
sorry
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:49 AM
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59. True
No song on that album came close to the brilliance of "Hotdog".
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dolo amber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:46 AM
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55. Lynne...Taverner
Why do you keep making this poll? You get your asses handed to you every time. :rofl:

:P :bounce:
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:47 AM
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56. Sorry, I don't consider a band that needs depends when they tour
To be "Rock Gods"

:rofl:
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:55 AM
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62. I didn't start the poll but I agree with what Taverner says
Led Zeppelin ended their reign in order to preserve the legend. The Who, hell I don't even know who is playing in that band anymore except Townsand and Daltry, almost getting as bad as Yes, with their open door policy of new members coming and going.

The only thing worse than The Who would be the Rolling Stones. At least the Who isn't trying to push a new album on us every couple of years that totally suck. But then again the Rolling STones don't call every tour they do their "Farewell Tour".

The fact that Led Zeppelin received less votes simply shows the lack of understanding of the great music put out by this legendary band. Perhaps people just cheer on a group because they knew in a few years they can catch the next "This is it we're finally retiring" tour that The Who puts out
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dolo amber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:56 AM
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64. Oh that's right, you started a Bonham vs Moon poll
Y'know, the one where you got your ass handed to you. :7
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:58 AM
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66. Dolo, I accept that some people here have bad taste in music
It's ok :pals:
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:09 PM
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73. I agree
Looking at the poll, the "bad taste in music" people are only at 40% :hi:
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:10 PM
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74. So you're saying that since the Republicans are in the majority in DC
Edited on Wed Aug-23-06 12:13 PM by LynneSin
that they are the best party to lead our country.

:eyes:

I'll stick with fighting with the minority anyday of the week especially knowing that the quality is so much better
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:19 PM
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75. Huh?
:shrug:

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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:24 PM
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77. You're claiming LZ is 'bad taste' becaues they are in the minority
Which leads me to believe that you always support the majority and thus you must be some freeper I just infiltrated because Republicans are in the majority

(ok, I know you aren't)

It's that old adage - just because everyone is jumping off a bridge doesn't mean it's what you should be doing. And just because LZ isn't leading in the poll means that my group is smaller, more unique and special. Perhaps part of the votes received for the Who weren't Pro-Who but Anti-LZ; whereas you can be guarenteed that LZ votes are all pro-LZ fans. The fact that LZ still creates such a controversy makes the even more of Rock Gods.

Personally we could have put Led Zeppelin up against K-Fed and K-Fed would have received a significant number of votes simply because no other option was given and the voter didn't want to vote for Led Zeppelin
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:30 PM
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79. The best selling car in 1985 was the Ford Escort
Does that mean it was literally better than the 1985 DeLorean ?

I rest my case
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:42 PM
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82. Actually, it was just a joke
But since you mention it, when I was a teen everybody liked Zeppelin, I mean *everybody* I knew did. I tried to get into them, but just couldn't get past Plant's squealing. The burnouts, the jocks, the geeks whatever, they all loved Led Zeppelin in my school and elsewhere. I was the only person I knew that didn't like them.

I honestly tried to be in the Zeppelin gang because I didn't know anyone else who didn't like them. I have all their albums, and I even gave them another try when the box set came out on CD. I sold that after about a year. So really, the Zep lovers were the huge majority and I was one of the very very few who didn't dig them back then.

I was just having a little fun when I said that about the poll. Honestly, I think it is silly to bash what other people like if you don't. I never liked Zeppelin, but I know a hell of a lot of people that do. That's their taste and their choice to make. Now, I still love the Stones, even though you think they have sucked since "Some Girls" which came out in 1978 by the way. I got to see them perform about 3 years ago and they still rocked the house. Sure their albums aren't as good as the ones they did back in the day, but they are just putting out music.

The other thing that bugs me is when people say a band should quite doing what they do before it's too late. I think you would have to be a musician to understand that music is in your blood and that's what you do. They don't need the money (the Stones) they do what they do because they love it. It's called passion.

And to bring that full circle, when Page and Plant did Live Aid it was horrible. Plant could squeal anymore and Page was drooling all over himself. But, many fans of Zeppelin really dug it. To each their own.

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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 01:15 PM
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91. Sweetie, I'm just having fun with you
But I'm still thinking you're a freeper with that majority comment

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:loveya: johnnie! I know you have my back with real arguments that impact america like politics!
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 01:23 PM
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96. I *am* a freeper!
I was going to try to fool people for 10 years and then at the right time I was gonna come out and say "Ha, suckers!" and then never come back. I figured that would get you all real good. And it would have only been 10 years of my life spent for that one great moment.

And yes, of course I have your back on real arguments. :patriot:
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:55 PM
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87. DIEBOLD !!!111!11!1!!!11cos(0)11!!!!
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 11:48 AM
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57. Do we have to be monotheistic?
I spend more of my time listening to the Who. Their albums are great back ground music when I'm working out. However, I can understand the appeal of Led Zep and several other rock bands
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:20 PM
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76. We've got "theistic" in stereo now. Hi Fidelity, no less!
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:28 PM
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78. The Who Hands Down....
The original punk band....
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:35 PM
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80. Which is the biggest problem with this poll
we really are comparing apples to oranges
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:36 PM
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81. Really!!
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:54 PM
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86. Nah, the Stones were the original punk band.
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:46 PM
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83. Zep for sure. I understand The Who's appeal but can't see how
anyone can rate them ahead of the mighty Zep. Listen to Zep's first album and keep in mind that there was nothing of the kind back then - right then and there they'd have become my favorite band by far were I old enough to have been paying attention to rock at the time.
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GumboYaYa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:53 PM
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85. How about neither, I'll take Hendrix any day.
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 01:25 PM
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98. Hendrix to me =donuts to Homer Simpson!
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 12:56 PM
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88. I saw both in their prime, about a year apart
Who, hands down. Not even close.

Zep has an edge because they broke up before they could make a really bad album, but at their height, the Who was superior in every way except, perhaps, lead guitar work.

But it's a fair comparison. All 8 were great musicians.
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RedStateShame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 01:11 PM
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90. Live at Leeds vs. Song Remains the Same
Tell me Song Remains the Same is better. I dare you. Defend the 34 minute wank-fest by Jimmy Page, if you can!!!

Hands down, The bloody Who!!!
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 01:58 PM
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101. Song Remains the Same wasn't a true Concert Film
it was a piece of crap rushed out that even Jimmy Page thinks was poorly done. So I'm not too sure how you can compare the two when even the bad realizes it wasn't a great movie.

But even still, I'd rather watch TSRTS just to see Robert Plant in 'The Rain Song'
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 01:20 PM
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94. thanks for it being a picture of Pete
I think they are so different it's hard to pick one. In a lot of ways Roger Daltrey feels to me like a poor man's Robert Plant but nothing like that can be said about the rest of the band. Led Zepplin's music was so blues based and The Who's was more psychedelic...they really aren't even in the same category because of their influences. I would say Zep had more of that 'rock god' swagger, while The Who veered more into the realm of trying to portray a more honest narrator in their songs, one with more insecurities and 'chinks' in their armor. It would be an easier comparison between Zeppelin and the Stones than Zeppelin and The Who.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 01:22 PM
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95. It's gotta be a quick one while he's away.
The Who. It's a Legal Matter from now on . . .

I got tired of LZ around junior year of HS.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 01:23 PM
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97. Zep: the rock band that single-handedly kept the Chevy Camero
in production for over 30 years! :)
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Tikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 01:49 PM
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100. In the broad spectrum of what is Rock...I would say that...
The Who (together and individually) have been cited as a major influence by many more rock artists and bands then
has Led Zeppelin.
Led Zeppelin does beat everyone else when it comes to repeating the lyric "baby" over and over, ad nauseam, in their songs.

Tikki
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RedStateShame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 04:14 PM
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103. If your front man can be easily replaced by David Coverdale...
I think I've said plenty.
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