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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 03:37 PM
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Poll question: Best Pink Floyd album:
I know, they released at least 14 albums, but this software only allows 10 choices in a poll. If the album you like best is not one of the 10 listed, such as Music From the Film More, Obscured by Clouds, The Final Cut, The Division Bell, etc., please reply with your choice.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 03:37 PM
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1. Piper
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:47 PM
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47. Yes.
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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 03:43 PM
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2. The Wall
My favorite, anyway. Just my opinion.
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 03:43 PM
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3. There was more than one?
:shrug:
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 12:51 AM
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50. Heathen!
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 03:45 PM
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4. Dark Side of The Moon
As an album, it is the best, although my favorite Pink Floyd song is "Wish You Were Here".
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 03:49 PM
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5. I can't pick
"Piper" was something all together different. I would sound pretentious to pick that one over the others, but if I could only have one that would be it.

Post Barrett is a whole other thing. I would pick Dark Side of the Moon. It was and is a fantastic record from beginning to end. The recording, the music, the lyrics, it is a great piece of work.
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Serial Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 03:55 PM
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6. I can't pick... I like too many of them
Edited on Wed Aug-16-06 03:56 PM by cmt928
A good friend of ours said he thought there were really 3 different Pink Floyd bands

with Syd Barrett
with Roger Waters
current band with David Gilmour as lead
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Squeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 08:03 AM
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53. I couldn't agree more
although I further break down the Waters period into three: the cult band (Saucerful thru Obscured), where they played with textures and avoided human themes; their all-too-brief maturity (Dark Side thru Animals), where they wrote great nuanced songs by facing up to their fears (including whatever happened to Syd); and the Waters autocracy (The Wall and Final Cut).
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 03:58 PM
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7. Animals. Because it never got OVERPLAYED on the radio.
Also, it's got a nice cover too boot.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 03:59 PM
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9. Fuck, it never got played at all.
:grr:

Well, maybe on some stations (and Dr. Johnny Fever played "Dogs" on WKRP!), but for the most part, pretty much never made it to radio. The songs were too long, and radio doesn't like long songs. "Money" was a rare bizarre exception, in that was longer than any other popular song, and it's in 7/8.

I'm not sure how that snuck through.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:06 PM
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38. And its very cynical and very political
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 03:58 PM
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8. Quite honestly, I think Animals is the tightest, most consistent album
Other albums might have some better songs, surely; but in terms of the whole album, I think Animals is at the top.

The Wall has a couple moments of inconsistency (at least to me) and things that don't quite "work". I put it at maybe fourth best, perhaps fifth.

The runner up is a tough choice between Wish You Were Here and Dark Side of the Moon.
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 04:09 PM
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10. Dark Side of the Moon
I've heard all but two of the albums listed in the poll, and I have to go with Dark Side of the Moon. It gets a lot of hype, in large part due to its considerable popularity over a long period of time, but it just may live up to the hype. I think it's their best, most consistent album, with Wish You Were Here a close second.
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 05:02 PM
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11. I loved Meddle
It may or may not be their greatest (too many to choose from), but it was always my favorite.
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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 10:09 PM
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34. The dog on that really can sing! nt
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 08:07 AM
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54. I love Meddle!! Fearless is my favorite Floyd song
Very inspirational but very much overlooked

You say the hill's too steep to climb

Climb it

You say you'd like to see me try

Climbing

You pick the place and I'll choose the time

And I'll climb the hill in my own way

Just wait a while for the right day

And as I rise above the tree lines and the clouds

I look down

Hear the sound of the things you said today



Fearlessly, the idiot faced the crowd smiling

Merciless, the magistrate turns 'round, frowning

And who's the fool who wears the crown?

And no doubt in your own way

And every day is the right day

And as you rise above the fear-lines in his brow

You look down and hear the sound of the faces in the crowd



(You'll never walk alone...)
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 05:13 PM
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12. Wish you were here.... end of story
sorry folks, but The Wall is probably the WORST PF album.
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catbert836 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 08:53 PM
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26. Worse than Division Bell?
If that could be called a Pink Floyd album, that is? I have serious doubts about that.
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 05:14 PM
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13. The Wall
but its rough...its like trying to tell me to pick my favorite metallica cd, there are so many to choose from...
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 05:27 PM
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14. More
Edited on Wed Aug-16-06 05:29 PM by jpak
Ibiza Bar and The Nile Song fucking rock.

(and the rest of the albumn ain't bad either)

and the live disk on Ummagumma is too cool too.

...careful with that axe Eugene....
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 05:37 PM
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15. Piper at the Gates of Dawn is the best and most influential...
...even music buffs who hate The Floyd seem to love this one.

All the elements of Floyd are there, but much more charming, mysterious, punky, arty & rocking than their more epic productions...

I love most of their output, but the Syd & 60's era stuff is still he best.

Gotta love the Floyd, no matter what your favorite...
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 05:47 PM
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16. Many great albums, but the best one? Dark Side!!! More than
700 weeks on the Billboard charts says it all.
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taught_me_patience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 06:50 PM
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17. Wish you were here
hell its the band's favorite albumn.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 04:03 PM
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82. I second "Wish You Were Here"
Some of the best guitar work ever. Gilmore is a genius.
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bbernardini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 06:51 PM
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18. I had to show some love for "Momentary Lapse".
I'm one of those people that enjoys Floyd without Waters just fine. We get it, Rog. Your father died. War sucks. I think four or so albums worth was enough.

"A Momentary Lapse of Reason" is one of the best albums of the 1980s. Is it "prog rock" along the lines of "classic" Floyd? No, but it's not supposed to be. It's just a great collection of songs. "One Slip" is one of the best pop hits that never was.
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catbert836 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 08:50 PM
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25. Ugh!
Sorry, but that album to me sounds like a Pink Floyd cover band trying and failing to make original songs. It wasn't even a Pink Floyd album in everything but name- Gilmour was the only band member on every track, and he didn't even write any of the songs. Mason was off racing cars, so he didn't perform on most of the tracks, and Wright still wasn't really part of the group. Although Waters was a little myopic in his vision, at least he could write songs and guide the group in an interesting direction.

Plus there is no more annoying song than "Dogs of War".
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CrushTheDLC Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:54 PM
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48. They should have called it "A Momentary Lack of Songwriting"
and released it as a Gilmour solo album. And not bothered with "Division Bell" at all. The only Fake Floyd song that I ever cared for at all was "On The Turning Away". One of Gilmour's best no matter what name they wrap it up in.
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catbert836 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 02:08 AM
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51. I thought "Learning to Fly" was pretty good too.
But that and "Turning Away" were the only bright spots on the album.
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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 12:11 PM
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70. Sorrow and Terminal Frost...
Course, I dig Dave!
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:28 PM
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42. interesting take
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 07:08 PM
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19. Dark Side Quadraphonic mix!
The original one done by Alan Parsons. The UK 8 thrack release is the best copy. The 30th Anniversary SACD mixby James Guthrie just isn't as good. I also love WYWH Quad mix.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 07:59 PM
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20. Never heard the quad version - but it must be great - the original Dark
must be listened to with headphones, in my opinion, to really appreciate the sound engineering.
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malta blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 08:02 PM
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21. I choose Ummagumma
It holds the best memories for me....the soundtrack of my life...
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catbert836 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 08:46 PM
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24. That's intriguing.
I don't know that many people who like the studio tracks- I hear everyone buys it for the live ones. Which do you prefer? I thought the studio tracks like "Sysiphus" and "The Grand Vizier's Garden Party" were quite tedious, although "Several Species..." was pretty funny.
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malta blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 08:34 AM
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56. I prefer the live tracks, and like you I find the
"Several Species..." track quite amusing. I think it is a throwback to having the Pink Floyd Live at Pompeii video playing nonstop during that period as well.
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Nicole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 08:38 PM
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22. The Dark Side of the Moon n/t
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catbert836 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 08:43 PM
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23. Dark Side is the quintessential album.
But for their best album, I like Wish You Were Here. For me, it is a perfect balance between the spaciness of Meddle and Dark Side and the dark misanthropy of Animals and The Wall. I can't really get into any of the Barrett stuff, although it has its moments, and don't even get me started on the post-Waters "Pink Floyd". :grr:
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tarkus Donating Member (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 09:02 PM
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27. The Final Cut is clearly the best
With Waters at the helm and everyone else knowing their role, or at least not being allowed to fulfill any role other than the one Waters planned for them, the Floyd could reach their true potential.
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catbert836 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 09:14 PM
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28. That's sarcastic, I suppose?
I don't like the Final Cut as much as The Wall, but the lyrics are pure poetry and Gilmour adds emotion with his unmatchable solos. While this album was pretty much a Waters solo effort, Momentary Lapse and Division Bell were nothing more than Gilmour solo efforts, only he didn't write any of the songs.
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tarkus Donating Member (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 09:24 PM
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30. Yeah, part sarcasm part truth.
I love the album but I don't consider it to really have the sort of group genius that earlier albums had. However, I do think that Gilmour's presence makes it better than any of Waters' other solo albums.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 09:47 PM
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32. I actually liked The Division Bell
I know I'm in the minority among Floyd fans with respect to that, but that's okay. I'm also in the minority who like The Final Cut.

I'm curious about the statement that Gilmour didn't write any of the songs, though--he's credited or co-credited on all of them. He's no lyricist, though, that's for sure.
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catbert836 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:02 PM
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37. OK, I exaggerated
But seriously, he had to bring in about 15 outside songwriters for Lapse and relied on his wife to write his lyrics on Division Bell. At least with Waters, he always wrote his own material.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 09:59 AM
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62. yeah, he's no lyricist, but waters doesn't handle music particularly well
especially when he doesn't have a genius to play off of. So, yeah, Gilmour gets help from others on his lyrics. Thank god. Because waters could use some help with his instrumentation. At least with Gilmour, he recognized his limitations. ;)

I'll agree with the suggestions below that neither is near as good apart as they are together. I could never get into solo work from either of them, frankly.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 09:39 PM
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31. I love The Final Cut
I think it's a great album. Gilmour does some nice work on it, as well. Lyrically, it's definitely among the best, though musically it's not as interesting and steals a lot from the wall.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 09:47 PM
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33. The Final Cut is Waters' best solo album
Not a great Floyd album, but I gave it a number of relistens early this Spring, after many years of not listening to it, and I was impressed with really how good of an album it is. I remembered it being good, but not that good.

I think it's right up there with Pros and Cons, but I think it's Gilmour's presence that makes this Waters' best solo effort.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 10:18 PM
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35. I agree
If people are going to state rather ignorantly that "Momentary" and "Division Bell" are merely Gilmour albums with the PF moniker, then it follows that "Final Cut" is a Waters solo album under Pink Floyd's name. Richard Wright is not even on the album, and he is vastly underrated in terms of Floyd's greatness. (He is one major reason I prefer Floyd's post-Waters work to Waters's solo albums since "Pros & Cons").

Waters used Andy Newmark on drums far more than he did Mason on "Final Cut", and Gilmour's contributions, good as they are, are too sparse. Gilmour himself hated the album, except for about 3 solos he did. I understand why. Although it said some things that needed to be said, centering an album around the Falklands War is only interesting to us geezers who remember it - it doesn't age well beyond that. Kind of like Dylan's "Times-Changing" period, it shows topical songwriting is usually interesting, but is rarely timeless. Timeless Floyd can be found in the sequence of DSOTM, WYWH, and "Animals" ("Animals" mixes topicality with timelessness and somehow becomes the most underrated Floyd album alongside "Obscured By Clouds").

Now with that bitching out of the way, do I like "Final Cut"? Of course. But after "Pros & Cons", which was written at the same time as "The Wall" - the band had a choice of which one to do, and they chose "The Wall" - it was rapidly downhill for the increasingly pretentious and overwrought Roger Waters. "Radio KAOS" is embarrassingly bad. A weak grasp at DSOTM's aural genius, and conceptually, an incredibly stupid story. "Amused to Death" is just more of the sneering and wretchedly smug pessimism that Waters once did with genius on DSOTM, but lost his touch doing two decades out. Is it better to burn out than fade away?

It was good to see Waters get back together with the others for Live8, and he looked happy and healthy. Maybe one day he will get a hold of his gifts again. Meanwhile, I enjoy relaxing with the middle-aged and much healthier contemplations of his rival.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 10:46 PM
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36. Wholehearted agreement here!
Gilmour and Waters were genius together, but apart, I'll take Gilmour sans Waters any day over Waters sans Gilmour.

Radio KAOS *WAS* awful, and Amused to Death was, in my opinion, the final nail in the coffin of Waters' inability to generate anything good without the inspiration of his former bandmate and musical superior.

Waters might be the more creative in terms of concepts and lyrics, but his musical creativity has been shown to be limited to "Final Cut", the album he has done, musically-speaking, what - five times? Gilmour might not have the conceptual genius that Waters has - or, at minimum, isn't interested in doing albums of conceptual continuity - but at least his music is good. And not just good, damned good.

But ultimately, neither is as good alone as they are together - there was an amazing creative spark between those two, and they put together a hell of a lot of serious and insanely artistic albums.

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catbert836 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:15 PM
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40. His music puts me to sleep.
I admit the man's guitar is unmatched, but he is creatively bankrupt, and, after his latest album, is more of a new age artist than a rock star.
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catbert836 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:13 PM
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39. Afraid I disagree...
If people are going to state rather ignorantly that "Momentary" and "Division Bell" are merely Gilmour albums with the PF moniker, then it follows that "Final Cut" is a Waters solo album under Pink Floyd's name. Richard Wright is not even on the album, and he is vastly underrated in terms of Floyd's greatness. (He is one major reason I prefer Floyd's post-Waters work to Waters's solo albums since "Pros & Cons").


Yes, "Final Cut" was a Waters solo album. And better than the two "Pink Floyd" albums which came after it, in which the band members abandoned writing their own songs, a key part of the classic Floyd sound.

I don't know why you think the band is so much better with Rick. The only contribution he made to the Post-Waters "Floyd" was "Wearing the Inside Out", a track which I think is the weakest track on a avery weak album. When Roger had him kicked out, it was because he was lazy, and not doing any work on "The Wall". Dave even wanted to kick out Nick Mason, too!

Waters used Andy Newmark on drums far more than he did Mason on "Final Cut", and Gilmour's contributions, good as they are, are too sparse. Gilmour himself hated the album, except for about 3 solos he did. I understand why. Although it said some things that needed to be said, centering an album around the Falklands War is only interesting to us geezers who remember it - it doesn't age well beyond that. Kind of like Dylan's "Times-Changing" period, it shows topical songwriting is usually interesting, but is rarely timeless. Timeless Floyd can be found in the sequence of DSOTM, WYWH, and "Animals" ("Animals" mixes topicality with timelessness and somehow becomes the most underrated Floyd album alongside "Obscured By Clouds").


I think a lot of the stuff Waters said about the post-war dream and such is quite applicable to today's events.

Now with that bitching out of the way, do I like "Final Cut"? Of course. But after "Pros & Cons", which was written at the same time as "The Wall" - the band had a choice of which one to do, and they chose "The Wall" - it was rapidly downhill for the increasingly pretentious and overwrought Roger Waters. "Radio KAOS" is embarrassingly bad. A weak grasp at DSOTM's aural genius, and conceptually, an incredibly stupid story. "Amused to Death" is just more of the sneering and wretchedly smug pessimism that Waters once did with genius on DSOTM, but lost his touch doing two decades out. Is it better to burn out than fade away?


I also thought KAOS was rather weak, but we'll have to disagree about "Amused to Death".

It was good to see Waters get back together with the others for Live8, and he looked happy and healthy. Maybe one day he will get a hold of his gifts again. Meanwhile, I enjoy relaxing with the middle-aged and much healthier contemplations of his rival.


His rival doesn't even write his own songs. He comes nowhere near Waters' creative genius, and is handily outmatched by Waters in every area except for instrumental virtuosity. His latest album was extremely tedious and now I use it as a healthier alternative to Ambien.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:33 PM
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43. Wright, and wrong
My main argument about Wright's contributions making Floyd great was about the albums leading up to "The Final Cut", more than the ones since. Wright is brilliant on "Meddle" - 'Echoes' is as much his piece as it is Gilmour's. And of course, the powerful trio of DSOTM, WYWH, and "Animals" are his last great works. I admit Wright phoned in much of the later stuff, and Jon Lord was a good choice as the keyboardist on Gilmour's "About Face", which is still the best Floyd solo album, edging out "Pros & Cons" by a hair (Clapton sounds turgid and bored, but then he has been that way since Duane Allman punked his ass on the "Layla" album).

I am going with Rabrrrrrr's thesis here: Water and Gilmour are both great, and better together than separately. I remember arguing with Waters partisans in high school (for me, this was when "The Final Cut", "Pros", and "About Face" all came out) and they just couldn't admit their hero had run his course with mining Syd's memory and his father's death for what it was worth. Hell, Gilmour's lyrics on "About Face" are a damn sight better than anything Waters did on his next 2 albums. It's all there: The anti-Thatcherism, the arms race, the intimations of mortality, and even two Pete Townshend contributions for good measure.

For the record, I am neither a Gilmour or Wright partisan. Or even a Syd Barret (RIP, genius) partisan. I am a Pink Floyd partisan, in all their many dimensions and facets.
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catbert836 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:44 PM
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45. I am too.
Edited on Wed Aug-16-06 11:57 PM by catbert836
I agree that Wright's keyboards, organ and synth were a key part of the Floyd sound up until "The Wall".

I agree that Waters and Gilmour together are greater than the sum of the parts. I just tend to prefer Waters' solo work over Gilmour's Floyd and even Gilmour's solo work. I thought "About Face" sounded like Dave was trying to prove how key he was to the Floyd sound, which we knew already.

Did Gilmour write his own lyrics on About Face? Because he didn't on Lapse, Division Bell, or On An Island.
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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 08:57 AM
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58. Wow! Someone else who likes "About Face"
I thought I was the only one.

Excellent album in just about every way. Some of the synth sounds are dated by todays standards (I'm picturing lots of Yamaha DX-7s and a Fairlight CMI or two...)but the songs and performances are incredible. Pino Palladino on bass, Jeff Porcaro on drums, two Pete Townsend songs, a Gilmour-penned reflection on the emotions stirred by the murder of John Lennon.

In a recent discussion with Catbert, I admitted that there were elements of this album that seemed like Gilmour was trying hard to both demonstrate his range beyond the Pink Floyd sound and to prove just how important an element he was to that sound. Even so, this is an album that gets little respect, even from Gilmour fans.

Cool.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:34 PM
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44. Oh, God, a Waters' apologist.
of the worst kind.
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catbert836 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:44 PM
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46. If the label fits...
Edited on Wed Aug-16-06 11:58 PM by catbert836
And it's a damn sight better than the opposite.
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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 11:27 AM
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67. In Defense of Gilmour...
C'mon, Catbert... you say that Gilmour 'doesn't even write his own songs', but that is a bit of an overstatement. Gilmour writes his own music, but recruits lyricists. He has admitted that he is not a great lyricist, though several songs on 'About Face' have excellent Gilmour-penned lyrics... not Waters caliber, but respectable.

Gilmour is not the lyricist that Waters is, so he brings in help.

On the flip side, Waters hires guitarists to play on his solo albums (Snowy White, Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton...) rather than playing the solos himself. But hey, Waters is not a skilled lead guitarist and doesn't claim to be. If it is wrong for Gilmour to get help with lyrics, why is it perfectly acceptable for Waters to bring in hired guitarists?

I agree that Gilmour's latest solo album is a bit mellow even for my tastes, but it is Gilmour doing what he wants to do with nothing to prove. Its good to see him finally working without the specter of Pink Floyd and Roger Waters exerting an influence over his music. Besides, at 60 years old, it's good that he is still producing music.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 11:57 AM
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68. And don't forget...
Gilmour's first, self-titled solo album from 1978, which featured his pre-PF bandmates from the mid-60's. It was a solid effort, and nicely filled the gap between "Animals" and "The Wall". :-)

His recent solo album is very mellow, at least the second half much more than the first - the lyrics reflect a deep personal contentment with his twilight years, taking pleasure in simple walks with his wife, expressing love and pride in his children, reveling in nature's peace and beauty. All in all, a spiritually healthy album from a person whose career is no stranger to documenting humanity's darker impulses.
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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 12:05 PM
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69. Excellent albums...
I love the 1978 'David Gilmour' album... partiuclarly 'Raise My Rent' and 'There's No Way Out Of Here'.

Your summation of 'On an Island' is spot on. I just really wish he would have included at least on real rocker. I guess 'Take a Breath' will have to do. Its definitely the heaviest track on the album, but not so much so that it clashes with the mellower tone of the rest of the tracks.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 12:14 PM
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71. My favorite cuts on "On An Island"
"This Heaven", "The Blue", and the title cut. "The Blue" reminds me of his 'Meddle'-period work, updated.
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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 12:21 PM
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72. I dig the shuffle feel of 'This Heaven'
'The Blue' is mezmerizing. I really do like 'Take a Breath', though the chant ('take a breath... take a deep breath now') is kinda annoying. I guess its the plodding rythm and the lap steel solo that really get me.

Overall, I love this album. It took me a while to get past the mellowness, and I still have to be in the right mood for it, but it has grown on me.

All three of Gilmour's solo efforts have been excellent, each in their own way.
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catbert836 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 03:50 PM
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78. Spiritually healthy, maybe.
But it puts me to sleep. Dave has forgotten how to rock.
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enfield collector Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 09:19 PM
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29. just introduced my 14 year old son to dsotm and wywh
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:25 PM
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41. My take on each album you listed:
Piper at the Gates and Saucerful of Secrets: Syd Barrett, psychadelic rock with a very different sound. Good, but not what most people assocaite with Floyd. Fun guitar, very experimental, Interstellar Overdrive, Bike, etc.
Good stuff, not what most people think of first though.


Ummagumma: I will never, EVER, listen to this album while high and alone in the dark again. Scared the shit outta me.


Atom Heart Mother: Very instrumental, some tracks have an almost Epic sound. Seems to be the first and only time Rick Wrigh really stepped forward and dominated with keys and organ, as both are heavily present on this album. It was panned or skipped over by many, though. Most people know it for its cover, the cow, and nothing more.


Meddle: I found this album to be very dark and deep. Arguably the biggest hit on this one is Echoes (they even chose it as the title track for a recent greatest hits album). Instrumentally was very good, but I don't listen to it much.


Dark Side: C'mon. Who hasn't heard this album. Its a fantastic piece of work, and part of the reason for its success, I think (aside from the Wizzard of Oz sync-up, the stoner-coulture value, and the marketing) is because it is a thematic, non-stop album and all of the songs seem to flow together seamlessly into one 40-minute long song. Hell, most people think Brain Damage / Eclipse is one song whose title is "Dark Side of the Moon". Its very, very good, but it is very overplayed and somewhat overrated.


Wish You Were Here: Short album (in number of songs). Its unfortunate that the song Wish You Were Here got so much play and success, because it caused people to overlook the other three songs on the album (Shine On..., Welcome to the Machine, Have a Cigar), all of which are stellar songs. Anyone setting out to make a Greatest Hits album for this band would be best off grabbing this entire album and putting the songs on in track order.


Animals: Fantastic and underplayed album. Some suggest it is modeled on the animal roles defined in Orwell's Animal farm, as it very well could be. There is a song about Pigs, or politicians, and the adding in of the description "Three Different Ones" might even be a reference to Orwell's work. There is a song about dogs, the ruthless capitalists and the enforcers for the pigs, a song that reminds us that there is no honor or loyalty among their class. And there is a song about sheep, reminding us just what the other animals think of the general public. The song Pigs on the Wing brings us into the album, and takes us back out. This is a must-listen album for anyone interested in politics.


The Wall: Everyone knows what this album is, everyone knows what it is about. Ask anyone to name their five favorite Floyd songs, and at least two will appear on the wall. Whether a scathing commentary on British private schools or the ramblings of a spoiled boy who's daddy never came home from the war, this album is arguably a classic and has been played by countless high school students who were sick of the bullshit and trying to find escape. However, just like Dark Side, I can't vote for this album as I feel it is too overrated and overplayed.


A Momentary Lapse of Reason: Roger Waters left, and David Gilmore stepped up. He delivered many good songs, like The Dogs of War and Terminal Frost, and even turned out a few hits, such as On The Turning Away and the very popular Learning to Fly. But this album just seemed to lack something that the previous albums had.
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Stardust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 12:28 AM
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49. Fun thread. Lacking the analytical skills of all you PF
aficionados, I have to say, I simply like the way Pink Floyd sounds. I've recently fallen in love with them all over again.

One thing -- Didja hear Gilmour's quote on the Live 8 reunion, that the experience was like "sleeping with my ex-wife again."

Boo.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 08:28 AM
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55. From what I have seen, they never enjoyed giving concerts. The last one
was shown on PBS the other day and none of them looked like they wanted to be there or enjoyed it at any time. It's a good thing they have all the light shows, otherwise it would be like they just went there and played their records at 200 db.
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Stardust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 01:55 PM
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74. Are you referring to the "Pulse" concert on PBS? That was a
post-Waters concert from 1995. I think all the band members, past and present, developed disdain for the audience, which is kind of a shame...to reach the pinnacle of success and then disparage the very fans who put you there is difficult for me to comprehend. Roger Waters even laughingly described concert goers as masochists. I still love 'em, though.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 03:03 PM
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75. Yes, that was the one I was referring to. The light shows were nice, but
the band to me didn't seem to be into it, they seemed to be isolated from each other and from the audience. And the 3 female backup singers were swaying stupidly to music that is not "sway-to" music, like audio animatronic figures. They should have called the whole thing "It's a Floyd World After All."
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catbert836 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 03:54 PM
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79. I didn't like PULSE too much either.
Dave just looked sour playing his guitar, Nick looked like he was in a trance, and Rick just looked kind of old and washed up behind his synthesizer. The backup musicians were more energetic and more into it than the band itself. It was sad to see how low my favorite band sunk.
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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 02:09 AM
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52. Aha! Know we have DSOM = The Wall in votes. One more, fellow DSOMers!
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 08:42 AM
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57. Obscured By Clouds........
...Wish You Were Here are my two favorites. :)
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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 08:59 AM
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59. Both excellent choices.
I rank 'Wish You Were Here' 2nd after 'The Wall' and one of my all-time favorite Floyd songs is 'Childhood's End' from Obscured by clouds.
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 09:22 AM
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60. Gilmour is GOD....
Edited on Thu Aug-17-06 09:23 AM by jus_the_facts
:hi:

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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 10:21 AM
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63. Indeed
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 10:31 AM
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64. *swoon*
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CrushTheDLC Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 03:06 PM
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76. God would have never made an album as bad as "Division Bell"
Unless it was explicity for Satan's use in torturing the damned in Hell :evilgrin:
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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 03:08 PM
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77. Blasphemy!
And as punishment for your lack of respect, I'm putting "What Do You Want From Me?" on an eternal loop!

Your screams will gain you no mercy!
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catbert836 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 03:56 PM
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80. God, I hate that song.
It strikes me as a very smug attack on the man who established the Floyd legacy.

And the rest of the album was completely unbearable, except for Marooned.
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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 04:03 PM
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81. Really? Who is being attacked?
I always took it to be a response to those fans who act as if the band is privy to some secret fountain of wisdom... Actually, if you go back to Gilmour's 1978 album and listen to 'Raise My Rent' you can hear an earlier and less piercing version of the lead guitar line.

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catbert836 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 05:18 PM
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83. Roger Waters
I thought the lyrics were a very obvious attack on him.
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Cathyclysmic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 09:32 AM
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61. "Meddle" is my favorite of the Gilmour era,
but "Piper" is what it's all about.

I also make a very strong case for "Obscured by Clouds." For a stop-gap soundtrack album tossed off in under a week, it is one of their finest.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 10:37 AM
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65. I'd vote for Meddle, but I didn't like that The Wall was winning
Edited on Thu Aug-17-06 10:37 AM by Commie Pinko Dirtbag
So I voted for my second favorite, DSOTM.
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Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 10:37 AM
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66. More.
I really do like that record - not just being contrary and willfully obscure.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 01:16 PM
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73. Every single one was and will forever be the best
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 06:54 PM
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84. I always thought that "The Final Cut" was WAY underrated...it's one of
my favorites, although I love just about everything they ever did.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 07:00 PM
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85. Anyone hear the Les Claypool version of Animals?
It's called "Live Frogs Set 2". Buy it, download it... it's an amazing cover, really true to the original.
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