I found a left wing board as scary as Free Republic!

[ButterflyBlood]

Strange but true. Check out some of the discussion on this communist forum:

http://www.irtr.org/archive/marxleninmao.proboards43.com/index794f8b3b85af18905e2da5423ac07f54.html?board=c&action=display&thread=1124051410

Clothing is a utilitarian product that decadent people have turned into a means of self-glorification. There will be little call under socialism for ornamenting the bodies of individual comrades--a source of inequality and petty-bourgeois ideology.

I like the idea of a single basic suit with a unisex design (modest, at that). Multiple colors might be acceptable, but we should guard against the accumulation of large wardrobes when a small number of outfits would be adequate. Accessories should also be restricted. There's no need for numerous pairs of shoes, for example, or for jewelry that has no functional purpose.

http://www.irtr.org/forums/vtopic1659.html

Ballroom dancing will probably need to end under socialism....for the most part, its whole "appeal" is really about stirring up nostalgio for "old europe". Its reactionary to me.

http://www.irtr.org/forums/vtopic758.html

Yes, it's true that bio-wimmin who expose their chests in public are subjected to gawking and worse by bio-men. A mere change in the law has not created equality in this area. But requiring both sexes to wear a top would at least remove bio-males' privilege while maintaining equality at a different level.

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[fujiyama]

2. OMG!

:rofl:

[mad-mommy]

3. i'm getting scared again

[norml]

4. They're what I think of when I think of "leftists"

and they're totalitarianly nuts!

[Critters2]

5. I used to be one of these

I was a wobbly. Would've considered you all terribly reactionary. That was our favorite word--"reactionary". It was reactionary this, and capitalist power structure that, and petty bourgeois those. We were the Workers' Movement. Because it beat the hell out of working!! I honsetly made the "no one needs more than one pair of shoes" argument on occasion.

Then, I grew up--or rather, my dad told me to get a job or never ask for money again. That shifts ya to the reactionary right but fast.

Ah, good times, good times.

[jobycom]

60. Thanks

Amusing insights!

[Anarcho-Socialist]

6. Wow, Maoists are still around

That site is scary. I don't see any mention of the millions of people who died under Chinese Communism. Funny that.

[ButterflyBlood]

7. They cover that in their main site's FAQ

It's total bullshit, but it's their explanation: http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/wim/mythsofmao.html

They even have a defense of Stalin: http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/faq/stalin.html

[pokerfan]

107. Do they have a defense of Pol Pot?

[Xithras]

99. I had a conversation with a genuine Stalinist a couple of years ago.

I'm firmly on the left, but this guy was so left me made me look downright fascistic. He actually advocated "purging" tens of millions of Americans both as a method of population control, and to achieve political dominance by eradicating those who disagreed with his political opinions. He had a very scary argument that those who "speak against the people" are a disease that cannot be allowed to spread, and must therefore be killed before infecting others.

It would have been a very effective lampooning of the old Soviet Union if it weren't for the fact that he was 100% serious. One of the more interesting aspects of working on a college campus is that I get to meet ALL KINDS of interesting people.

[Jamastiene]

8. That is weird.

:tinfoilhat:

[hfojvt]

104. are you talking about me?

or am I talking about you? :tinfoilhat:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1903281&mesg_id=1905137

I did not think the snips from the OP were all that bad. I'm not sure how it would be the equivalent of FR unless it is mean-spirited and dishonest.

[NMMNG]

9. Bloody scary

:yoiks:

I don't handle control-freaks well, no matter which side of the creek they come from.

[leeroysphitz]

53. Control freaks. Exactly.

[Iniquitous Bunny]

10. The Freepers who call us names like

"left wing wacko" have no concept of what leftist really means. On a global scale, most of us are somewhere between left of center and center, but the woefully ignorant right wing has now made essentially fascism and unchecked capitalism their idea of "centrism". That's what I find most disturbing.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

96. Doesn't it make your head explode?

"Social Security was one of FDR's best ideas."

"COMMUNIST!"

Argh.

My username comes from an insult like that I had thrown at me at another board.

[Iniquitous Bunny]

101. Yes, it does.

Freepers: not a very intellectually sophisticated group (to say the least). :eyes:

[Bassic]

111. If they think FDR was communist, than they'Re obivously fascists. nt

God damn ignorant bastards.

[Bassic]

110. I agree.

I find the hard right a bit more disturbing right now because they have much more political weight than those other lunatics.

[ZombieNixon]

11. Oh, the "identical gray jumpsuits" crowd.

:eyes: I hate people like this. They really think there's going to be some glorious socialist revolution?! :wtf: x(

[rockymountaindem]

24. Yes, they do!

And why do they believe this? Because *they* are going to make it! Yes, they have the power! They have the power!

I mean, look at all the gains they've made recently :sarcasm:

Anybody who defends Mao has already saved me the work of discrediting them, but it doesn't stop them from being one of the most prolific postering groups on campus. Then when nobody shows up, it's because the capitalist slave-labor system has got everybody employed at night just so people can't hear the "truth" at the commie meetings. In the interest of full disclosure, I've never been to one of their meetings, but evidently the profs who are experts on the USSR and communist China go to have a good laugh. I've heard them make some comments in my classes, especially when some defender of the commies tries to get in a fight with them. Profs: 1, Maoists: 0. I also covered one of their protests for my school newspaper, and they are every stereotype you would expect. Olive or gray button-down shirt, plain jeans, red armband... it was a wierd scene to say the least.

The thing that makes me laugh the most is their frequent meetings on "a Socialist solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict" sponsored by whatever commie group is on campus. All I can think is with al the problems that already exist in the Arab-Israeli conflict, the last thing they need is to introduce Communism into the equation.

[ButterflyBlood]

27. Where do you go to school?

We don't have anything of the sort at mine. Probably because it's known as a party school and all the kids want to do is drink and party, which to these people is probably being part of the controlling Amerikkkan capitali$t patriarchy.

[rockymountaindem]

32. The University of Toronto, Canada

With 40,000 students, even if only 3% are whackos of some kind or another, that makes a lot of whackos, sadly.

On edit: I would like to emphasize that most students at U of T are not whack commies. But the ones that are, unfortunately, are highly visible, and go by the motto that any publicity is good publicity.

[Odin2005]

41. There is a Commie U of T proffessor on a game forum I post at.

He teaches Ancient Greek Philosphy there. That guy is nutty.

[rockymountaindem]

46. Really?

I only know one classics major, and he's not exactly what you might call left wing.

[KurtNYC]

55. Here is poster for them

This is actually from the Museum of Communism in Prague. They had others. One had a woman hanging laundry and it was captioned:

"Under communism there was often no detergent on the shelves,
but you could get your brain washed every day."

Another:

"Under communism there was often no toilet paper on the shelves
but that wasn't so bad because there was no food either."

[rockymountaindem]

66. I went there this summer

Their posters were creative, but the USSR was no laughing matter.

Those commies today have no idea what they're talking about and they have their heads up their "collective" ass.

[baldguy]

100. No room for beauty in the Socialist Utopia to come?

Sign me up for the Capitalist Underground.

[Initech]

12. Yikes! These people make the freepers seem normal!

:scared:

[Momgonepostal]

13. How are bio-wimmin different from regular women?

OK, I get the alternative spelling of "woman" but what's with the bio? Are they trying to distinguish us from androids or what?

That site looks bizarre!

[CanuckAmok]

14. distinguished from transexuals.

It's the latest PC distinction.

Also see: bio-mom/dad (biological mother/father as opposed to adoptive mother/father

[jobycom]

61. That would be the opposite of "PC" btw. nt

[northzax]

19. straight from the horse's mouth:

Bio-wimmin are persyns who are female in biological or anatomical terms. A persyn with some combination of female genitalia, XX sex chromosomes, developed breasts, etc., is likely to be a bio-womyn.

In short, bio-wimmin are what most persyns call wimmin (or women). We use the word "womyn" differently, however: a womyn is a gender-oppressed persyn. A bio-womyn may be a womyn (gender-oppressed persyn) or a man (gender oppressor). In broad strokes, most bio-wimmin in the Third World are wimmin, but most bio-wimmin in the First World are men. First World bio-wimmin play the male role in terms of sexual privilege and their position within the patriarchy.

It is also possible for a bio-man to be a womyn. An imprisoned bio-man who is forced into sexual servitude is a womyn, because he is gender-oppressed.

ay yai yai, my head hurts.

[Momgonepostal]

42. The first part of that made sense

but then they lost me when they started saying men can be bio-wimmin, too. Good grief.

[ButterflyBlood]

44. No, they said men can be bio-womyn, not bio--wimmin

There's a difference appparentely.

[CrushTheDLC]

88. So which one is Ann Coulter?

And is Boy George the other, since he's now forced into servitude (but not actually sexual)

Oh fuck it.... I'm confused already :crazy:

[pitohui]

47. don't mix mary daly and acid

that is hilarious, hope it's satire, realize it ain't

[Mad_Dem_X]

58. Whaaaa...?

I think my brain is bleeding. :yoiks:

[ronnykmarshall]

81. Betcha they're loads of fun at parties.

[TheBaldyMan]

112. their spellchecker must have had a nervous breakdown

those persyns must have their hedds jammed up their ass-hyle!

[YankeyMCC]

15. Identical suits

LoL! So that's why all those old SciFi shows have everyone wearing the same silver suit with the V neck styling.

[Bucky]

51. clothing for all three sexes to enjoy

men, women, and cabbage will all be equal in the distant world of 1999!!

[Throd]

16. I wonder what their cocktail parties are like?

I have never witnessed such a dour and humorless collective of persyns. How do you tell a joke using all that tedious prose? Oh yeah, humor is a KKKapitalist tool of exploitation to distract the proletariat from the cruel realities of his own submission.

Through the fascist oppressors in the funny hole!

[northzax]

26. pretty sure they don't have many

gotta be working, right?

[Zhade]

37. It goes like this:

"How many oppressive capitalist pigs does it take to screw in a lightbulb? None - they're all too busy exploiting the underclass to force them to do the screwing!"

Golf-clap laughter ensues.

[deucemagnet]

45. How many Marxists does it take to screw in a proletariat lightbulb?

None. A proletariat lightbulb contains the seeds of its own revolution. :rofl:

Thank you! Thank you! I'm here all week! Remember to tip your waitpersyns!


So far that makes two. Two jokes at the communist cocktail party.

[Monk06]

17. They're a similar bunch to the CCP Marxist/Leninist .................

We used to have a bookstore run by these guys
called the Envir Hoxla Bookstore.

They had the Albanian Communist Party
newspaper in the front window.

I happened to stop and look at the window one
day and this guy came out and asked me to come
in and chat.

I said no and he followed me for a whole block.
All the way up to the Scientology Bookstore.

Beat that for weird.

[citizen snips]

18. They call themselves socialists?

their talking points is Stalinist bullshit.

[TroubleMan]

20. Those guys ain't leftists by my definition - they're controlling

A leftist want complete personal freedom, but strict governmental control over business. Personal freedoms are almost unlimited, as long as they don't hurt other people, but business/police/military have strong limitations on what they can do.

Stalin was not a leftist - he was a right winger pretending to be a leftist. The same with Mao. Anytime you want to limit personal freedoms (especially the freedom of expression), then that's right-wing thinking. A true left winger wouldn't want to keep people from dancing, partying, going topless, ect. We want socialized medicine, education, housing, a cap on personal wealth and power, and an end to unlimited police and military authority.

If you notice they have a lot in common with right-wing religious cults (just without out all of the amens). They aren't leftists at all - just right wingers saying that they are. Power to the people means that the people have the power - not that the people have no power (which is what these guys are espousing).

[citizen snips]

22. I noticed that too.

"Ballroom dancing will probably need to end under socialism....for the most part, its whole "appeal" is really about stirring up nostalgio for "old europe". Its reactionary to me".


I think that the baptists were against dancing a long time ago.

[Brian Stevens]

105. Damnit I love Dancing With The Stars

Oh, it is the Nazarenes that were against dancing. There are some churches that still practice it today.

[Hissyspit]

34. They are leftist authoritarians.

Left on the Economic scale, but Rightist on the Social scale. They are not progressives.

The left/right scale doesn't work too well, it is too simplistic, not "three-dimensional" enough. Stalin was an extreme leftist authoritarian, just as bad and dangerous and anti-individual rights as a rightist or a moderate authoritarian.

[Zhade]

39. Remember, PNACers like Wolfowitz used to be Trotskyists.

You're pretty much on the money.

[GirlinContempt]

62. Can you connect the dots in that sentence for me please?

[datasuspect]

69. PNACers and neocons

started out as disillusioned leftists.

[GirlinContempt]

71. Some of em.

Some leftists started out as neocons.

I've read the article by hack "journalist" Jeet Heer, if that's what's being referenced. And I think it's absolutely ridiculous the way people connect dots that don't even exist in the oped piece, let alone reality. And I also find it ridiculous that DUers grab onto a canadian-style neocons viewpoints and repeat them without context or reality.

[datasuspect]

72. i can't remember what i read

but this shit started back in the 70s when you had an intellectual crowd of new leftists who were disillusioned at the prospect of american supremacy due to loss of the vietnam war

forget which books i read about this though.

it is an interesting history.

[GirlinContempt]

73. Well, the only reference to

Wolfowitz being an ex Trotskyite that I've found was in the pile of garbage Heer spewed a couple of years back in the Nat Post. And that reference states that he never was. And, in fact, the whole thing is skewed to discredit Canadian leftists and play into the Canadian con agenda, and it disturbs me that it's being repeated around as fact. Pretty much everything I've read on this subject is reactionary drivel, without an iota of meaning in any kind of debate or conversation about socialism.

[datasuspect]

74. hmmm, now i am interested again

i need to find a decent liberry.

i don't trust the internet for anything other than information. i lot of difference between that and actual knowledge.

[GirlinContempt]

76. Well

Lots to find out there in the big wide world, including the sources that spawned this situation (IE trotsky himself)

[datasuspect]

77. god it's been so many years since i read trotsky, etc.

or any other heady type stuff.

[GirlinContempt]

79. Heady?

I'm not sure what that means :)

Edit:
I know what the word means, just not sure of your meaning.

[datasuspect]

80. intellectual type books

philosophy, political theory, classics.

[GirlinContempt]

82. Ahhh ok

:D So not intoxicating ;)

[datasuspect]

83. depends

some literature out there can sing to ya.

[nick303]

106. Just see "Neoconservatism"

by Irving Kristol

[Telly Savalas]

90. Wolfowitz's early writings are eye opening.

Even as a Neo-Anarcho-Maoist back in the early 70's, his ideas held the seeds of his current neo-con thought. From his 1973 essay "The Failure of Social Democracy":

One of the most striking characterisics of the Western Neobourgeois-Fascist Welfare State is the culture of dependency it breeds. The Power Structure entrenches itself by making the masses dependent on government social programs. The canonical example is that of Bio-Wimmin who have many children such that they can use the welfare checks to make payments on their Cadillacs. One can't help but consider that such subjugation of the masses only emboldens the terrorysts.

:hide:

[GirlinContempt]

91. rofl

that actually made me laugh out loud.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

97. Errrrr... let's not incur in the No True Scotsman fallacy, mmkay?

They're first and foremost batshit crazy control-freak kooks, correct, but ones of the leftist variety (a very rare specimen nowadays).

Thankfully, unlike their counterparts in the right wing, they're a very very tiny and powerless minority.

Fuck, China and Cuba look like Sweden compared to what these people advocate!

(You'll notice I didn't include North Korea in the sentence above)

[nytemare]

21. Every group has fundies.

Religion, political branch, sports team fans, every group.

And, every group of these fundies is plain creepy.

[BreweryYardRat]

23. These people would make the world grey and lifeless...

Fuck them. They're as bad as any frothing American Nazi Party freeper, just in a different way.

[LoZoccolo]

25. I'm thinking ServeThePeople is a troll on that board.

A lot of times people accuse someone of being a troll here for opinions they might hold or sources they cite, but I think trolls are more out to mess with peoples' heads in subtler ways...like seeing if anyone will take the kind of bait that this ServeThePeople guy is holding out. In groupthink, everyone thinks everyone else is in agreement and no one wants to look disloyal, so people keep throwing out more and more ridiculous propositions trying to prove their loyalty...this guy could be playing with that.

That having been said, if this guy is for real, and these people take over, mark my words: that very day I will form an alliance with the FReepers and join their secret militia to take it back!

[KurtNYC]

57. I notice that most of the posters have start dates

of July or August 2005. Almost looks like the board is astro-turf.

[thefool_wa]

28. Now I am scared

Anyone who has refered to me as a facist for wanting airline security be damend! This is real facism.

Besides, I like my wardrobe and "extravagant" accessories!

[northzax]

29. check this whack job out...

Since there don't seem to be many scientifically socialist classes available in the humanities, classes likely to equip one to contribute financially to world socialist revolution currently seem to be the best investment of resources. These are probably centered around schools of business. But econonics could potentially apply to both objectives (Ilich Ramirez Sanchez, aka Carlos, studied at the London School of Economics). Bearing security in mind, if comrades have experience with bourgeois economics in either or both of these applications, I'd appreciate the opportunity to learn from their experience.


oh yeah, Carlos, what a fucking role model.

http://www.irtr.org/forums/vtopic1011.html

[calico1]

30. Oh, I don't think I could ever be a good Commie...

I always look bad in uniforms.

:P

[China_cat]

31. This might be a lot of things

but it sure as hell ISN'T socialism.

[Taverner]

78. Socialism is a VERY broad term

The UK Post WWII was socialism. NAZI stands for "National Socialist Party" (that is a form of socialism with heavy nationalism thrown in.) Communism was a political system built upon socialism.

All socialism is is a centeralized economy.

[xchrom]

33. they are ultra-conservative.

not liberal or progressive.

just a sub-category of uber-conservative -- and they are not socialist.

they are authoritarian.

[Zhade]

35. This HAS to be satire. The ballroom dancing thing? Come on.

This CAN'T be real.

Can it?

(Btw, if it is, these aren't leftists, they're authoritarians on the left.)

[NewJeffCT]

36. is this a real site or a satirical one?

You know, like landoverbaptist.org? I know a few on DU have gotten fooled by that old site.

[grannylib]

38. My question too...I don't think this could possibly be serious...if it

were, my guess is it's a bunch of freepers trying to make liberals look bad! (Not like they don't try that already...)

[ButterflyBlood]

43. It's a message board

Too difficult to fake those. It's real.

[Odin2005]

40. OMFG, these people are nuts.

And I'm a socialist fer crying out load, these people make me look like a conservative. :rofl:

Bio-Wimmin? :rofl

[Blue_Tires]

48. oooh! (runs off to register)

so long, suckers!!!!:silly: :crazy: :yoiks:

[NoPasaran]

49. While funny, this is no joke

As this review of Woody Allen's movie "Bananas" makes clear

Everything Amerikkkan and Latin American is stupid according to this
comedy doing equal-opportunity parody. As usual, Woody Allen plays the
cowardly anti-imperialist who finds himself leading the revolution
as much for the attractive wimmin as for his own confused intellectual understanding.

The opening scene is sports announcer Howard Cosell giving the play-by-play
action on the assassination of a Latin American president. The point is that
such assassinations and coups are a sport in Latin America.

The CIA arrives in the midst of the fighting, this time fighting on both sides
to be sure to be on the good side of whoever is the winner. Woody Allen also
parodies the conformity and idiocy of the McCarthy type of political trial in the
united $tates. Lest anyone get too excited, the Amerikkkan revolutionaries
exemplified by "Nancy" are also a little zany too. Nancy loves the Woody Allen character
once he becomes president, thus showing that what wimmin really want in a man is power.

The net effect of this movie is nihilist, so we will give it mild
approval for now while the task of destroying imperialism is still
on the agenda.

http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/movies/

[Bucky]

50. I'm not sure I'd call bolshies "left-wing". Most are puritanical

Marxism, at its roots, is pretty repressive. Lefties would tend to be permissive, not puritanical anti-sex-leaguers like those who fight for the cause of unisex utilitarian suits. Repression is repression and it always sucks (except for self-repression, which is everybody's right).

[GirlinContempt]

64. Which parts

of Marx's theories are repressive?

[Throd]

52. Ironically, the very method they use to communicate

would be shut down and banned in the Utopia they invision

[cobalt1999]

54. This is the scariest part...

"...first tasks after overthrowing imperialism should be requiring FW people to give a significant portion of their wardrobes (most of them have plenty to spare) to the Joint Dictatorship..."

Joint Dictatorship, woohoo! Sounds like a fun future! These guys must be a hoot at parties.

I think I'll just keep exercising my 2nd amendment rights in case the day of the uber-left or taliban-right shows up.

[Deep13]

56. Doesn't sound very liberal to me.

Sounds like the rules for that planned Catholic community in FL.

[warrens]

59. Big difference

That's a few bicycle messengers, not the people who run our country. Yeah, they're crazy, but no crazier than, say, Dick Cheney or Condi Rice.

[jobycom]

63. Unisex design, utilitiarian clothing? Are we not men?

[B3Nut]

65. It's a little scary, but

mostly it's HILARIOUS! Calling each other "comrade" and avocating that everyone wear Mao suits...DAMN that's funny! If those people are for real and actually take themselves seriously, I feel really bad for them. But that's not going to stop me from laughing at them, nosir. :D

What's really fun is that you don't even have to respond to people like that, just let them keep talking and they discredit themselves. All you have to do is stand there and grin! Easy-breezy!

Todd in Beerbratistan

[Monk06]

86. I knew a guy who wore a Mao suit. It was his only outfit. He was an

English Trotskiite. His idea of revolution was
to make drawings of himself and go to art openings
to score with the chicks.

They don't come dumber than that.

[B3Nut]

92. Oh my LOL!

Gotta feel sorry for a guy like that...that's a scream!

Todd in Beerbratistan

[Anarcho-Socialist]

93. LOL

So true.

[mtowngman]

67. If these people ever come to power

I'll start the Peoples Party of Fabulous Wardrobes.
We'll be counter-revolutionaries:headbang:

[ronnykmarshall]

84. Drag queens will join you.

I wonder if these "comrades" practice what they preach and ware them drab ass Mao suits?

[datasuspect]

68. i think silver-colored unisex leotards or tunics would be a good idea

in the future that will be the only clothing.

[MiniMandaRuth]

70. ....

I like my jewelry, dammit. And it doesn't have any function, other than looking nice.

[anarch]

75. bah...what a bunch of sentimentalists

Multiple colors for clothing? What a bunch of reactionary, capitalist pig claptrap. One piece black tunics for everyone, I say. Or die.

[tanyev]

85. "Ballroom dancing will probably need to end under socialism...."

Written by some weenie whose wife left him because he couldn't dance.

[Benfea]

87. GD doesn't count? *shudder* -NT

[CatholicEdHead]

89. Wow, what a train wreck

These are stereotypical "Communists" here.

[Marie26]

94. It's sort of funny

I wonder what would happen to their bourgeois computers in the worker's state.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

95. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Surely, there's alternate realities for everyone.

HOW, pray tell, did you happen upon that?

[RedCloud]

98. Be reasonable gentle comrades

I guessed Maoist from the info posted and hit the jack pot.

Now comes the very hard part. Since China has about 20% of the world's population, how many do you know by name?

Now let's review just that much. 20% of the world's population. Do they have 20% of the world's land mass?

So they are awash with one another. Controls are going nowhere. Obviously the Chinese are very good at procreating. And I do think the utilitarian approach may make one's mind degrade to some lumpen proletariat ideas on sex or maybe lumpy proletariat or grumpy proletariat depending on whether one achieves satisfaction or not...

I agree with the shit about ball room dancing. It is just about being frivolous and there are over 1,200,000,000 mouths to feed.

And I would be deep fried in the fat of my own contradictions for suggesting that we all go around in the nude. I believe this would cause all to think of other things than sex.

But let the enlightenment begin!

[angstlessk]

102. Any way to get the Neo-Nazi's and this group together say at some

convention? One in one ballroom and the opposite in the other. We could watch WW3 on a smaller scale than the one trying to heat up in the Middle East!

Nazi's vs Communists.

The Communists won the last battle, with the help of the West, could they do it again? Would be an interesting match doncha think?

[Anarcho-Socialist]

108. Throw in some free drink and that would make it even more interesting

I'm thinking pay-per-view.

[B3Nut]

103. You know, that site is like a car wreck

You know you shouldn't gawk, but you just can't stop yourself. Just...wow.

I wonder if NSA is tracking visitors to it (hi Agent Mike!)

Todd in Beerbratistan

[Bassic]

109. The extreme-left is just as scary as the extreme right.

While an extreme-left governement might (before corruption sets in) be interested in providing it's people with decent social programs, they don't give a flying dog fuck about freedom.

[cobalt1999]

113. It's a circle...

Go too far left or too far right and you end up in the same scary place. Dictatorship without dissent.

[Bassic]

114. Exactly. nt