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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:28 PM
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"Why do they think that 'Fat Dyke' is an insult?
It just means 'I eat chicken and pussy. That's why I bought a wet nap.'" --Margaret Cho
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:30 PM
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1. Margaret Cho and her wet nap.
She gave up on it though I think, cause isn't she skinny and married now? Or did she switch back? I'm confused.
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:33 PM
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2. I think she is straight but sometimes has sex with ladies or
did in the past. She went on lesbian cruise and said it was great to have that experience with a woman.

She is kind of skinny, but thank God she isn't starving herself. She's got a lovely full face. And I can't think of any dyke or bi not loving her.
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:04 PM
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10. I adore her.
I lurve Lea Delaria too, though I don't know what she's up to these days. When Lea sings...wow.
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:08 PM
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12. I also lurve Kate Clinton.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:51 PM
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3. Actually, "fat dyke" isn't an insult.
It's based in perception of the one that states it (as a negative) or in the perception of the one that receives it. So, if the person that hears it, percieves of it as a positive, then the power is removed. For example, the expression "fat dyke" relies on two things: 1. that the person suggesting same, understands and can judge who or what is "fat"
2. that the person suggesting same, is allowed to suggest that "dyke" when coupled with "fat" is negative.

So

"Fat" is relative. Does the person care?

"Dyke" might be slang, and used improperly, but it's a fucking compliment. A compliment, to me, for my gay friends. It suggests someone that's comfortable in their own skin, regardless of how others see you. To me, sort of like the word "fag" you know. You can say it all you want, but it doesn't change anything, except in how I see you. But...and I say this with the utmost caution...if you use these words in a hateful, violent fashion, my fist might well render you speechless.

I'm a gay-basher basher.
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yewberry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:56 PM
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4. Yeah, but
when my mom and her friends use it with each other, it doesn't bother me; when someone else says it to or of my mom, I confess that a blind rage is pretty sure to follow.

Sometimes, the difference is all in who it's coming from.
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:59 PM
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5. Amen.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:01 PM
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7. Exactly.
Hence my last statement:

But...and I say this with the utmost caution...if you use these words in a hateful, violent fashion, my fist might well render you speechless.
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:03 PM
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9. "Don't mess with a vegan...they're hungry."- Cho
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:59 PM
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6. I think Cho would agree with you.
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:03 PM
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8. I've eaten a few too many m&m's tonight to be able to understand that.
I never eat chocolate, so I might as well have just shot up.
If Margaret Cho says it, it's okay cuz she's cool. If someone like Elizabeth Hasselbeck said it, I'd have to kick her scrawny ass.
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:07 PM
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11. It all has to do with context. Cho was saying people were hate
mailing her calling her "A Fat Dyke Gook Chink." But she did not see the insult with fat dyke. Cho is cool because she admitted going down on a woman and really liking it, so she thinks it's neat. She also said she likes dykes who look like John Goodman.
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lavenderdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:09 PM
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13. Locking
Do not post Sex Threads.

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