Okay - apologies to all the Chicago people

[Rabrrrrrr]

I'm sorry.



It's like every milligram of hatred in my body is all focused on one point (Chicago; and to a lesser degree, Illinois) to keep my sanity and keep me from hating anything else since I am, actually, a very loving person (when I'm not ranting on DU, but that's all just steam blowing anyway, not outright hatred, except maybe for Billy Joel and Ron Howard and Thomas Kinkade and, as mentioned occasionally, green peppers and people who don't put their shopping carts away), and every now and again it leaks out publicly in a very nast post about Chicago and the people who live there.

I don't know what it is. I can't think of anything I hate more than Chicago,and I've been that way since I was a small child, long before I ever moved to NYC. Even just thinking about Chicago makes me feel creepy and unwashed; hope begins to leave me and I feel like I'm entering an abyss of emptiness and decay, a neverending nightmare of brokenness and personal disintegration; and then slowly the bile rises. I hate driving through Chicago, I hate being in Chicago, I hate looking at it, I hate being near it, and I hate even thinking about it. I don't even like to see pictures of it.

But, that's my issue, and I shouldn't allow my hatred to cause me to strike out against it with hurtful words. There are plenty of great people in Chicago (but not Mike Ditka, the asshole) and who are from Chicago and Chicago does have a great blues history, Lakeshore Drive is beautiful, and I did Hands Across America at the zoo in the downtown area and had a great day, and Northwestern is an amazing university and the U of Chicago is there, great school, as well as Chicago Theological Seminary, which is a brilliant and wonderful place from which many great theologians have come; it's certainly a major port and train town; and it's the midwest financial center. Clearly, an important city. Also pretty Democratic.

So, hence forth, I shall keep the denigrations of Chicago to myself, unless absolutely called for. But I will ask, then, that others keep their vile denigrations of NYC (or insert the city of your choice here) to themselves.

So, apologies to whoever I've offended.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

1. I've never been to Chicago, but I'm sure NYC has better pizza.

Anyway, I'm open in my hatred of south Jersey and PA, especially Pittsburgh.

[Rabrrrrrr]

3. If it weren't for all the non-south Jersey people in south Jersey,

it wouldn't be so bad.

:7

And Pittsburgh - been through it, but never stayed there. it's never piqued ny interest. Though Carnegie is a damned good school.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

25. Non-south Jersey people?

It's the pineys that contribute to it sucking. Aside from it being flat and craptacular.

Yeah, Carnegie is a good school. I lived out there for a summer doing theatre stuff at Carnegie Mellon. In one of my classes, we built a 34' self-supporting suspension bridge from Kinex. It was a bitch moving that thing from the Kinex room into the lobby.

[Lefty48197]

4. Nope. Renaldi's on Broadway on Chicago's near north side

has better pizza than the entire state of New York.

[dolo amber]

2. I like you. I like Chicago. I like NYC.

Ergo, I am wonderful...or something.

:D

[ZombieNixon]

5. Umm...thank you? I guess...

really, I didn't even know you had an anti-Chicago bias. :shrug:

[Rabrrrrrr]

6. It's come out occasionally

and I got yelled at today for it.

Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=5481074&mesg_id=5481139

[nini]

7. people bash Los Angeles all the time

and I don't get my chonies in an uproar about it. What next? Kincaid fans are gonna cry too? :evilgrin:

[Rabrrrrrr]

8. I do have to agree with you somewhat on that -

I've certainly read my fair share of abuse to NYC as well. I always took it with a grain of salt.

Ah, go figger. I really got yelled at, though, today about it. Sheesh!

[jpgray]

9. Hey man, sorry if you read that as yelling

I just sought to understand your motivation for slagging off of an entire city of people. :D I do now--no harm intended on either side, I figured.

[Rabrrrrrr]

10. No, it wasn't you at all.

No worries!

[jpgray]

12. Ah okay. I thought the movie sucked if that's any consolation

:patriot:

[nini]

11. I guess I don't associate myself with somewhere, something etc..

to the point I take it as a personal attack. I've got tough skin after all these years and far too many other real issues to worry about.


:hi:

[jpgray]

13. Cracker Barrel aside?

:D

[nini]

17. When being personally accused of being anti-gay and

having the city I happen to live in slammed - are two different things.


but you know that :hi:

[jpgray]

20. Yeah--just saying we all have things we get worked up over

[nini]

27. well, that's why I left that thread and quit engaging with that guy

it wasn't worth my time or effort. So, I can say I didn't get all that worked about it after all. :-)

[Rabrrrrrr]

14. I have, unfortunately, even broadly labeled the people as scum,

stupid, degenerate, and otherwise unfit for habitation on this earth, so it went beyond just insulting the city and DID enter the realm of the personal.

But I hear what you're saying - I've never tried to identify myself with a city, location, team, state, nation, club, organization, church, whatever to the point that an insult to the group was taken personally.

[Susang]

16. What's a chonie?

:shrug:

P.S. I live in Chicago and sometimes get a little tired of being called insulting names by a DUer whose posts I usually enjoy. We all have things we get into an uproar about, this just happens to be one of mine. I hope that's okay with you.

[nini]

19. slang for underwear

.

ok with me? huh?

[Susang]

24. ?????

Why is this a problem for you? I realize you don't think this is important, but it is for me. I don't recall ever joining any threads where you were offended by something and implying that your opinion was not important.

[nini]

29. What are you talking about?

I haven't attacked YOU.


Seriously, where did I attack YOU?


:shrug:


Feel free to be offended by the OP's comments if you were.. I said I don't get that upset about that stuff. I didn't say you were horrible if you were.

[Susang]

31. I did not say you "attacked" me

What I did say is that you minimized my (and others) opinions. I apologize if that is not the case, but that's how your posts read to me. Saying that you have other real issues to deal with seems to imply that those of us who did care about this particular topic do not. Do you see how I could come to that conclusion?

[nini]

32. we'll chalk this up to the lack of being able to hear one's words

therefore hearing the tone/inflection to get my intent. You took this different than intended.


Peace

[Susang]

33. Sorry I misunderstood

I guess I was still a little testy from being called a belchy farty tacky ignorant shitville moran. ;-)

[nini]

40. oh my.... I missed that!

:-)



:hi:

[trof]

15. How are ya on Foley, Alabama?

Inquiring minds want to know.
;-)

[Rabrrrrrr]

21. Pfft. Alabama - buncha fuckin' retards, sister rapers, and Creationists

who wouldn't know their asshole from a hole in the ground if they weren't spending so much time cornholing each other and not going to school.

Why?

:rofl:

As long as it's not bad foley WORK, I'm all okay with Foley, Alabama!

[jpgray]

28. In fact, Jack Donovan Foley once recorded the ambient sound of Foley AL

He had to reproduce the sound of quiet desperation for one of Kubrick's films.

[Rabrrrrrr]

39. Was that Kubrick's "Alienated Creative's Misery Through Fish-Eye Lens"?

I hear that, although the town is not given thanks in the credits, that Jack Foley went over to Blue Collar, Indiana and recorded the sound of empty dissatisfaction and the chthonic yet beatific death knell of the downward spiral into the abyss of dashed hopes and ever-unrealized promises of the future, which later ended up being sampled in Dr. Dre's late 1998 opus "Fugue and Impromptu: Too Beaten Down to Even Commit Suicide".

[trof]

43. Yeah, but BESIDES that.

;-)

[Susang]

18. No worries

We're cool. :thumbsup:

[Rabrrrrrr]

23. Thanks!

And sorry for the personal insults that get lumped into the city insults. Very uncool of me to call you all morans and the other nasty things I've said.

[Susang]

26. You can call Chicago whatever you like

I say nasty things about it all the time. But most Chicagoans I know are pretty cool people. And definitely not morans. ;-)

[Joey Liberal]

22. I've been to Chicago

Let's just say I'm in no hurry to go back. Nothing against Chicagoan's though.

[Zomby Woof]

30. I've always liked Chicago

I never even knew you had a bias against Chicago until reading your post. I certainly never butted heads with you over it. I am not a native of the city, and most of my fond memories are tied into a short time I spent there many years ago.

That being said, we all have our "Chicago". Mine is Virginia Beach, Virginia - a veritable freeper/fundy cauldron of ignorance and fascism. It is a cultural and intellectual vacuum. No center, no character, and no soul. I spent many happy years there on a personal level (we can be happy or discontented anywhere we live - life is life), but couldn't wait to leave, and although I recall the times with my friends fondly, my memory of the place itself and the prevalent atmosphere there could easily be described in the same way you described Chicago.

[greatauntoftriplets]

34. Thanks for the kind post, Rabrrrrrr.

Chicago is a hard-working city that has lots of great things to offer. It also has its downside, but every big city does. So, too, do small towns, suburbs, rural areas, etc.

[KamaAina]

35. Actually I always thought their early stuff was pretty good

it wasn't until after the guy shot himself that they slid downwards towards live Muzak.

Oh, wait a minute, you mean the whole city of Chicago?! Jeepers! Do you know how many DUers live there? Hoo boy... :popcorn:

[RevCheesehead]

36. It's the Cheesehead in you.

We despise FIBs. :hi:

[Rabrrrrrr]

38. I think that's a big part of the problem -

also I grew up getting Chicago's WGN on TV, and that always felt like a bleak station to me with it's Sunday lineup. And I was constantly pissed off as a kid during the summer when their regular afternoon TV lineup would get screwed in favor of a Cubs game.

Among a number of other things.

But, we are a product of our context. You, as a theologian, should be readily conversant with and embracing of the truth of Sitz im Leben, ja? And my context, growing up in southern wisconsin along the Interstate mere miles from the border, was decidely anti-Illinois.

[RevCheesehead]

41. That's why we called it "Ill-annoyed."

And living just miles from Door County, it's all coming back to me again. Oh well, at least they spend their $$ here.

I'm impressed. Sitz-in-leben. :thumbsup:

[Rabrrrrrr]

42. Hee hee hee

Summers in WI were the pits trying to get anywhere, because Illinois seemed to have moved there for the weekend, pleasantly and professionally covering our highways and byways with refuse, always in a hurry, and forever forcing their way into the front of the line, so to speak.

On my occasional trips back to WI, I've noticed that even way the hell up North, like Minoqua and St. Germain areas, which used to be relatively Illinois-free, or at least only had the true country, decent, nature-loving fishing and outdoor enthusiast Illini, is now chock-full of sporty yuppie Illini buying million dollar summer homes and cabins and completely destroying the cultural layout of the area. Much like some of nuevo-riche yuppie scum NYers are doing to parts of Vermont and New Hampshire.

[Ellen Forradalom]

37. Shake hands and let bygones be bygones, brother

Life's too short to be hatin' on great cities. Especially the great city I call my home town.

[prolesunited]

45. Are you still in the city?

Or did you relocate?

[Ellen Forradalom]

46. I'm in Santa Barbara CA

But I'll be Windy City Woman forever

[Divameow77]

44. People take things too personally sometimes...

We can all rant about something, Chicago is your thing. I have to hear it about the south all the time, I'm originally from Georgia and now live in Minnesota, and sometimes it pisses me off but I don't usually wanna punch them in the face. ;-)

My boyfriend is from Chicago, he moved up here 6 years ago for a job, and he thinks it's the greatest place on earth. He's always talking down Minnesota and the "fuckin idiots" that live here, that does get annoying. Not to mention that whenever a comversation arises about Georgia or the South he starts humming Dueling Banjo's. As I'm writing this I'm starting to wonder how he really feels about me... :shrug:

Maybe you and I can rant about Chicago together ;-), then I can forward them all to my boyfriend and we can both feel better.