Anyone here a Harvard Student who could help me get an article?

[ChoralScholar]

Harvard has the article in electronic format. If anyone could/would help me, I would be greatly appreciative.

ISSN # 0305-5698
Journal Title: Educational Studies
v21 n3 p395-413 Oct 1995

[ChoralScholar]

1. Anyone at any of these universities would work also - I'm desparate

WorldCat says these universities have online access to this journal. Thanks everyone.

MA BABSON COL BAB
CA CALIFORNIA STATE UNIV, FULLERTON CFI
CA CALIFORNIA STATE UNIV, NORTHRIDGE CNO
CA UNIV OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA CSL
CO COLORADO STATE UNIV/PUEBLO COS
DC CATHOLIC UNIV OF AMERICA DCU
DC HOWARD UNIV DHU
FL FLORIDA ATLANTIC UNIV FGM
FL UNIV OF CENT FLORIDA FTU
FL UNIV OF MIAMI FQG
FL UNIV OF S FLORIDA FHM
ID IDAHO STATE UNIV LIBR ONB
IL UNIV OF CHICAGO CGU
IL UNIV OF ILLINOIS UIU
IN INDIANA UNIV IUL
KY WESTERN KENTUCKY UNIV KNV
LA LOUISIANA STATE UNIV LUU
MD TOWSON UNIV TSC
MD UNIV OF MARYLAND, BALTIMORE CNTY MUB
MI UNIV OF MICHIGAN LIBR EYM
MI UNIV OF MICHIGAN, DEARBORN EYD
MI WESTERN MICHIGAN UNIV EXW
MO UNIV OF MISSOURI, COLUMBIA MUU
NC WAKE FOREST UNIV EWF
ND UNIV OF N DAKOTA UND
NE CREIGHTON UNIV OCA
NE UNIV OF NEBRASKA AT LINCOLN LDL
NY BUFFALO STATE COL YBM
NY CORNELL UNIV COO
NY CUNY GRAD SCH ZGM
NY SCHENECTADY CNTY COMMUN COL XJM
NY STATE UNIV OF NEW YORK, BINGHAMTON LIBR BNG
NY SUNY AT NEW PALTZ ZLM
NY SUNY COL AT BROCKPORT XBM
NY SUNY COL AT CORTLAND YCM
NY SUNY COL AT FREDONIA XFM
NY SUNY COL AT GENESEO YGM
NY SUNY COL AT ONEONTA ZBM
NY SUNY COL AT OSWEGO YOM
NY SUNY COL AT PLATTSBURGH YPM
NY SUNY COL AT POTSDAM ZQM
NY SUNY COL AT PURCHASE ZPM
NY SUNY INST OF TECH AT UTICA, ROME YTM
OH BOWLING GREEN STATE UNIV BGU
OR OREGON STATE UNIV, CORVALLIS ORE
PA UNIV OF PENNSYLVANIA PAU
RI RHODE ISLAND COL RCM
SD UNIV OF S DAKOTA USD
TX RICE UNIV, FONDREN LIBR RCE
TX TEXAS A&M UNIV TXA
TX TEXAS TECH UNIV ILU
TX UNIV OF HOUSTON TXH
TX UNIV OF HOUSTON, VICTORIA TXV
TX UNIV OF TEXAS AT ARLINGTON IUA
UT UTAH VAL STATE COL LIBR UV$
UT WEBER STATE UNIV UUO
VA VIRGINIA STATE UNIV VSC
WA SEATTLE UNIV WSE
WA WASHINGTON STATE UNIV NTE

[huskerlaw]

2. Do you have access to a library

that has Academic Search Premier, ProQuest, or EBSCOhost?

Any academic library should have that, as should most public libraries. If you still can't find them, go talk to the reference librarian.

As far as I know that journal's not available without paying for an electronic database, so people from those universities probably won't be able to send you the article on DU...it would be a copyright violation.

edited to add: if you're not a student, but you're near a public university, call them. They're obligated to give you some type of access, though whether or not they'll let you use their electronic databases will depend on university policy.

[ChoralScholar]

3. I'm a graduate student at Boston Univ.

They just don't have the journal. It is available through ILL, and I have filed a request, but I am afraid it won't be here in time. I was hoping to find someone to send me the very same article that is on the way through ILL, so I could get it sooner.

Probably still a copyright violation, but semantically, it's irrelevant.

I assure you, I'm no stranger to research. If there were another way to get it, I'd be doing it. I'm considering a 4 hour drive to Central Missouri State University in the morning to copy the article.

[huskerlaw]

9. Well, right, but

if it's only available through a subscriber-only electronic database, they can't really send you an electronic copy.

And semantics, possibly, but it's still illegal.

[ChoralScholar]

10. I don't think anyone's coming after me over a 11 year old

article from an obscure British journal. Especially seeing that I have one ordered and on the way.

[huskerlaw]

11. Whatever.

Just because you don't get caught doesn't make it any less illegal.

You asked, I gave advice. If you don't take it, fine.

[sir_captain]

12. Oh please

It wouldn't be illegal for anyone to photocopy this article and send it for use in an academic setting, and doing it electronically would be no different. It's called fair use.

[huskerlaw]

13. I don't really think you want to get into

a legal argument with me.

I'm a lawyer and a reference librarian, I do this for a living. The problem isn't you holding a paper copy, it's people using their subscriptions to electronic resources for someone who isn't covered by the license.

[sir_captain]

14. Are you seriously pulling that card

on an anonymous internet message board. Seriously?

:eyes:

[huskerlaw]

15. What card is that exactly?

I am a lawyer. I am a librarian. There are people on this board who have met me and can attest to that.

I was trying to do you a favor and tell you who you were arguing with before you made a bigger ass of yourself.

Alas, I see that didn't work.

[sir_captain]

16. Yeah, you were really doing me a favor

You were being arrogant and rude to the OP and then you completely dismissed him (and me) with the equivalent of an internet dick contest. But if that makes you feel good about yourself, more power to you.

Cheers.
:toast:

[huskerlaw]

17. *i* was arrogant and rude?

If you read my original response, I gave the OP numerous suggestions. However, if you consider advising someone that they're about to break the law to be arrogant and rude, then yeah, I guess I was.

I don't know where you get off thinking I said ANY of that to feel good about myself. I don't need to pump up my ego with random people on the internet. I told you my occupation because I wanted to let you know that I knew what I was talking about. Again, if giving people information that allows them to know whether what their reading is merely opinion (as yours was) or is based on actual knowledge and expertise is being arrogant and rude, I suppose that I was.

But if so, your definition is seriously flawed.

[sir_captain]

18. Seriously, I have no real beef with you

but if you can't see how saying "don't argue with me--i'm hot shit" doesn't come off as arrogant, then I don't know what to say. I suppose I'll just have to take you at your word that that isn't how you intended it.

With that in mind, I have an actual question for you. Seeing as I never signed my name to anything pertaining to my online access to my library, how is it any different for me to print out (or copy and paste) text from an online resource than it is for me to copy it from a physical resource?

[huskerlaw]

20. and I don't understand

how you get that I was being "hot shit". I made a statement that something was illegal, you disagreed with me...and I told you that I was a professional. I don't see how that translates to "don't argue with me--i'm hot shit".

As for your question, the contract is between your school library and the vendor. You didn't need to sign anything. By agreeing to the student code of conduct of the university, you're agreeing to the contract limitations of the electronic resource. If you are printing something out for your own use, or copying it for your own use, legally there is no difference.

The problem with what the OP was suggesting is that she essentially wanted access to another school's electronic database. I'm speaking in those terms because she specifically requested an electronic copy. When an academic library enters into a contract with a vendor, the terms of the contract are based on that school's FTE's (full-time equivalent). Basically, the amount your school pays depends on how many students will have access to the database.

I don't know how much you've used electronic databases, so excuse me if this sounds condescending, but there's a reason you have to either sign on to the database itself, use the database through one of the school computers, or log on to the school's network in order to access it. Otherwise anyone could go to your school's website and use the databases they're paying for.

The vendor/school agreement, which you didn't sign, but you're subject to under the school's code of conduct, has limitations on who can access it. That's why it's illegal to give someone who is not covered by the agreement access to information that's located on a subscription based electronic resource.

Back to your question, books are different because once your library buys it, they own it and can do whatever they want with it (within the context of regular copyright law). There's no vendor agreement. There are no limitations placed on who can use it (at least not by the publishing company...your school's library probably has limitations on who can check it out though). That's why the OP mentioned ILL. Interlibrary Loan is essentially what you're suggesting. A library will make a paper copy of an article and mail or fax it to whoever requests it. Again, they can do this because they're not bound by vendor contracts, as they are with electronic databases.

I hope that helps.

[BreweryYardRat]

4. I go to USF.

Let me see if I can find it for you.

edit: That list of alternate universities is mistaken. USF doesn't have any issues from that journal before 1999. Sorry. :(

[ChoralScholar]

7. Thanks.... I got the list from WorldCat.

I think it is just a list of schools that carry the Journal at all.

[sir_captain]

5. I have access to it

but it looks like their online archives only go back to 1997.

[ChoralScholar]

6. Yeah, I ran into that at another place also. EOM

[Orangepeel]

8. check your PMs (NT)

[Pierre.Suave]

19. I will be

A Harvard Law student in the fall, but cant help you out right now.