Afraid of the sixties coming back?

[Tharesa]

Sure there were some great things that happened in the sixties, but the really shitty things never get discussed anymore. Running down a street bleeding after being beaten up in a peace march, roads closed off where-ever you went, and the fear that you or Tharesa might be drafted to serve in the same unit in Vietnam!

Our party split wide open in the sixties, and so did we when beaten up. And yet Tharesa cannot help but wonder, did the sixties ever end..or are they still with us?

Belli inferendi causa, signum tuba dandum erat. :nuke:

[Syrinx]

1. My Latin sucks. :)

What does this mean?

"Belli inferendi causa, signum tuba dandum erat."

[Tharesa]

4. Tharesa only uses latin to stress a point.

But don't worry if you can't translate. It means "for the sake of making war, the signal had to be given with the trumpet." :hippie:

[JailBush]

2. The protests of the 60's have to be better than today's apathy.

One thing I've often wondered, though, is if the 60's protesters were fundamentally as stupid as today's. I mean, did they stage a major protest, then tell everyone "I'm not going to vote because it's a waste of time"?

[Tharesa]

5. There were plenty of organizations.

Students Against the Vietnam War was the largest. But everywhere marches were organized, many local people would join in. And they became the true force behind this peace movement.

[aQuArius]

3. I missed the 60's

I would like to experience it... Huge Beatles fan... YES it was a conspiracy and there was more than one gunman. Alas, i am too yong to have been there.

[SoCalDem]

6. Please...NO.. We don't want to see stuff like this ..ever again

[sleipnir]

7. Long story and theory, but the 60's is why life is fucked up now.

I'd love to type my thoeries out, but right now I'm about to get some zzzs...

The short of it is, the 60's while providing a "guise" of freedom, really shocked most of the community into a counter-counter-revolution that resulted in Raygun-nomics, the Disco age (whole new topic there), and the modern Neo-Con Republican party.

It's true, it's true.

The Neo-cons emerged as a result of the 60's and started to take over the Republican party and are now in total control (for the time being.)

The real problem is the 60's happened in the 60's. What should have taken 20-30 years was rushed into about 7-8. This created a major panic and backlash against a lot of the progessive work that was going on and this backlash cumulated in the 80's-90's (a proper time frame for things to occur without drawing much attention, that's why we didn't see the Neo-con takeover until it was nearly too late.)

While I'd love to see the idealism of the 60's return, let's just hope that we take our time, and relax, things may not change overnight, but trust me that's a good thing.

Very long winded thoughts I have, from years of reading, pondering and whathaveyou. But, there it is...

Beware of the 60's....

[Piperay]

9. I agree

what we have now with the neo-nazi's running everything is an after-effect of the "liberalism" of the sixties. :-(

[Tharesa]

10. That 's what Zell says!

It's always those funky punko libbies fault! :wow:

[Deja Q]

17. Then we have no hope... consider these talking points:

60s ideals were about change for the better. Conservatives of the time saw this, hence the disgusting assassination of King, a Kennedy or two, Malcolm X, and others who all sang the same tune of peace and an equal society - concepts which any conservative would be appalled at because such peace and equality threaten their petty way of life.

Beware of people who have lost their ideals, they cave in to the status quo and only add to the ultimate destruction. We've faced that before, and we sure as hell can't afford to face that again.

Yes, a stronger counter-counter-culture gave us Reagan, excessive pursuit of greed, and mass waste of resources. A pity. But, it's not a counter-counter-culture but THE culture, the status quo, simply deregulated.

But do the research; we've got enough oil for 60 years, tops (that's if we don't increase our need for oil, and you know our need for it has to increase). And at the rate we consume other products (coal, natural gas, steel, aluminum, other products that may or may not be renewable or recycled) and that our society is based on expansion, not a balanced stable environment, we're going to run out. Anything else is negligent naivity, pure and simple.

We're going to have change when the resources run out. Except it'll be far more disasterous.

Fortunately, the resources just won't vanish. Their readiness will start to decline, resulting in gross price increases. Maybe the indolent public will wake up by then. Though, given the current increase in prices for all sorts of things, people still seem to be apathetic... :cry:

We need to change our ways, as a society, NOW. No ifs, and, buts, let's relaxes, or anything else about it. Otherwise people are going to suffer within the span of 3 generations. And they'll hate us for not changing our ways despite knowing what's going to happen. Just as some of us are blaming the hippie movement for giving up and turning into the greedy reagan followers...

And if there's no hope, no possibility of change, why do I bother? (maybe that's what the young generation of the 60s started thinking before they turned...)

[NightTrain]

8. I wish the *music* of the '60s would come back!

I mean, really come back. Imagine being able to turn on the radio and hear Jimi Hendrix songs that aren't "Purple Haze" or "Foxy Lady." What a concept!

[SuffragetteSal]

11. 60's or the 21st century...

Peace no where to be found,
not then and not now,
Bring back the peace sign
Make love, not war!

[Interrobang]

12. No, I'm afraid of the 70s and 80s coming back...

...as they seem to be among the younger set these days, who have an incredibly short nostalgia fuse (and hideous taste in clothing, IMNSHO)! I was *there* for half the 70s and all of the 80s; I remember it, and it sucked.

Even though the revolution of the 60s seemed to spark a counter-revolution (and I'm not so sure about that -- I think those types were always there, just waiting until they could find the right moment to seize power), we've gained more from the 60s than we've lost...

[Tharesa]

13. Ohh no, Tharesa lost her Jams and pogoball!

Tharesa could never drive when wearing sunglasses at night.

[Hubert Flottz]

14. Circa 1960s:

"When the power of love exceeds the love of power, then and only then will there be peace!"

We told them but they didn't give peace a chance!

Wait until the Greetings letters from the local draft boards start to arrive at your or your kids homes! It's not a pretty sight!

[ldoolin]

15. I'm far more afraid of the 1930s coming back

...Which is precisely where B*s*nomics will lead us if he isn't stopped.

35% unemployment, banks failing, people watching their life savings evaporate, stock market losing 70% of its value, homes and farms being foreclosed at a record pace, shantytowns and "Hoovervilles" springing up. Right-wing demagogues (Father Coughlin) with a big audience on talk radio, fascist dictatorships coming to power overseas...

Only this time I fear that the fascist dictatorship is going to be here in the USA.

The 1960s? More of a mixed bag. Great music, civil rights movement that ended segregation, liberalism was at its peak in America, wages and prosperity were at an all time high (adjusted for inflation), social change happened that had to happen sooner or later (womens lib, ecology movement), the labor union movement was at the peak of its influence, but the 60s also brought us the modern right wing movement that emerged straight out of Barry Goldwater's 1964 campaign. And Vietnam.

[trof]

16. Hell no. They didn't scare me the first time around,

and this time I'd try more <things>.

[RobinA]

18. No, I'm Afraid They Aren't

At least in the '60's there was hope. And good music. Now everything just sucks.