OK, South Park is no longer a neutral show.

[SmileyBoy]

Tonight's episode made it officially neo-con, right wing, corporatist CRAP.

If you watched the new episode tonite, you'd understand what I'm saying. I'm too tired and pissed to give you the jist of the episode. Someone else can go ahead and explain it for me.

It was nothing but pro-tobacco, corporatist propoganda tonight.

South Park has just lost a viewer. Recently, even though the right-wing bias started showing more and more, I refused to accept it. Now I have. That show is NOT an equal-opportunity basher. Left-wing ideals get made fun of a LOT more, and tonight's show was proof.

[Zhade]

1. What happened?

NT!

[SmileyBoy]

2. Basically, Kyle, Stan et al. were spouting pro-tobacco talking points...

...they were saying there was no proof that second-hand smoke kills people (when there IS), the lesson of the day was that anti-tobacco people are evil, lying bullies.

I waited until the end, cause I thought that Stan and Kyle were going to tell both the anti-smoking people and the tobacco companies to fuck off, but no. The whole mob in the town learned that smoking is GOOOOOOD. The tobacco company were the FUCKING GOOD GUYS IN THIS EPISODE.

[Zhade]

3. Wow.

The cannibalism episode was the last straw for me - after that, I said "fuck this show" - but this surprises me.

What a shame. The movie was quite good.

[pezcore64]

4. I have no clue why you are..

upset about the episode..i see it the opposite. You dont think people should have the right to smoke a cigarette? you dont think people have the right in ingest something into their own bodies?
Hum.

I loved the show.

Especially when he called the anti-smoking guy a fat facist who wanted to control what we could do and not do.
I think the show MORE than leans to the left ON MANY occasions and i really dont see what your so pissed about?

So what they made fun of people who are anti-smoking! Im not a smoker anymore, but I thought it was great!

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

24. I'm with you.

I am a smoker and I certainly feel that things have just gone way too far in the effort to stamp out smoking.

[durutti]

46. Because

I don't care if other people want to smoke. But they don't have a right to expose me to their cigarette smoke.


Parroting outright lies about smoking on a show that kids watch is a new low.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

52. See, I don't care if you smoke...

Just don't smoke near me, near doors, or anywhere I have to go...Second hand smoke is the same thing you pull in only we don't get the filter. It makes me want to throw up, and I think that I have the right not to smell it if i don't want to. I can't even open my window here at school because of people smoking outside. It pisses me off that I pay the same thing they are, but I have no choice but to keep my window shut or have all my stuff smell like smoke. I think you have the right to smoke, but do it some place where I don't have to have anything to do with it.
Duckie

[AWD]

11. Wrong!

The whole mob in the town learned that smoking is GOOOOOOD.

They DID NOT!

The boys owned up to their smoking and they talked about how it was wrong...Kyle said "everyone should take personal responsibility for their own mistakes".

Just because they ripped Rob Reiner apart doesn't mean you should lie about the show.

You also neglected to mention that the boys smoked, Kyle puked up a ton of phlegm, they burned a building down by doing it, and they still got in a lot of trouble for doing it all. This doesn't sound like pro-tobacco propaganda to me.

[Blue-Jay]

12. You have to admit that

The song the tobacco-workers were singing while they worked was pretty fucking funny. I'll see if I can find it on KaZaA in a week or so. "Who wants to be 90 anyway...?"

[AWD]

13. Hilarious!

A very good parody of the oompa Loompas

[Liberal Veteran]

28. You are right on about this...

I am an ex-smoker. It's been 2 years since I quit a 20 year habit and I know smoking is bad for me. On the other hand, I knew smoking was bad for me in 1981 when I started. Yeah, I got hooked. Yeah, I enjoyed smoking. Yeah it was hard to quit.

But I am not an anti-smoking nazi trying to stamp out smoking everywhere. Personally, I don't care if people in bars smoke. I think adequate ventilation should be required. I don't care if people smoke in restaurants either if it's cleary posted on the door that they allow smoking.

It's not a great habit to have and I do my best to encourage those who want to quit to do exactly that.

The show was about the stupidity of extremism. Like people who get all bent out of shape when people send smokes to people serving in hazardous duty in the military. If I was in a war zone the last thing on my mind would be kicking the habit.

The show was just about how far things go sometimes.

[thinkahead]

5. They are libertarians

and have never been friendly towards the streisand/reiner hollywood type folks of the left.

[durutti]

47. They are not libertarians.

Judging from the show, they're against gays in the Boy Scouts and against separation of church and state.

[playahata1]

57. They are very hard on fundamentalist Christians and Mormons.

Remember the show about the new Mormon family in the neighborhood? There is another where Cartman starts his own church. I just don't see where the show's creators support a theocracy -- which is what the fundies want.

[libertad]

59. they are not against gays, they are gay.

I think they are openly gay, aren't they?

[Breezy du Nord]

70. They are? Gee, i didn't know that

Guess that makes sense though.

I don't watch the show that often, i prefer the simpsons. I saw the one about Christian music a few weeks ago and liked it ok. Guess I'll have to watch more often.

[Deja Q]

74. Saw both creators on an old South Park DVD.. half'n'half...

Matt and Trey.

I'd say Matt is straight.

But Trey. He's got to be a homo and he's freakin' hot, too. :D

[adamblast]

75. No, they're not openly gay... No idea where you got that one. n/t

[durutti]

48. They are not libertarians.

Judging from the show, they're against gays in the Boy Scouts and against separation of church and state.

[lazarus]

61. What?

They were for gays in the Boy Scouts, pointing out the hypocrisy of keeping out Big Gay Al, and I can't remember any time at all they've opposed separation of church and state. Care to point out the specific episode?

[adamblast]

73. No, you need to watch the show again. They are not at all PRO-GAY.

Big Al decides to *quit* the boy scouts after being allowed back in, because it's somehow intolerant to expect equal rights.

[lazarus]

77. equal rights?

Yes, we need the right to force private organisations to accept everyone. And that's why the government should be able to force DU to accept freepers as members, too.

[Myra]

6. It's been like that for a long time northwest.

I tried to watch it anyway because it's funny.
But after 911 it got so flaming jingoistic I couldn't
even enjoy it, so I stopped.

[Blue-Jay]

7. Oh Jeez!

It wasn't right wing at all. It was about personal responsibility. In a nutshell: If you smoke and know the dangers of it, it's you own damn fault if you suffer health problems. Don't blame big tobacco for your own bad choices.

As much as I hate the tobacco companies for being lying buttplugs, it's my own damn fault if I cough up a lung.

I thought it was funny. <cough cough>

[SmileyBoy]

14. Maybe you have to be a non-smoker to understand.

I had a friend in high school who developed really bad asthma, and he never smoked a single cig in his life, but his parents smoked like 1-2 packs a day around his house. He didn't have asthma when he was a kid, he started geting it when he was 13 or so.

And the message on that show was essentially that second-hand smoke causing cancer and asthma was bullcrap.

Thank god my parents never smoked.

[MojoKrunch]

15. Did they happen to mention the tobacco companies

upping the nicotine levels in their product to ensure addiction and how their marketing was aimed at children to hook them early?

I'm all for "personal responsibility".
Just don't try to sell me this load that this the issue.

The tobacco companies put out a product they *knew* was lethal and designed it to be *more* addictive and marketed it to *children*.

That doesn't have a damn thing to do with "personal responsibility".
Sorry.
(pardon my tone, I'm just tired of hearing this as a defense of Big Tobacco)

Mojo

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

8. Ummm, sarcasm? Anyone?

[AWD]

9. It's a JOKE people...

...they make fun of EVERYTHING. Have a sense of humor about things...you'll feel better.

Are you forgetting that these are the same people who created "That's My Bush"?????

[kodi]

10. replace herb for tobacco and its the same thing

personal responsibility.

[MojoKrunch]

18. And you've chained-smoked 40 joints in one day?

Not without hacking up a lung.

I had a buddy way back when who got spent his injury settlement money on pot and blow.
He kept a hardpack Malboro box in his front pocket filled with fat-assed joints.
It got to the point where he was literally smoking them like cigarettes.
(he was self employed at the time)
After maybe a month of this he made himself stop because he was hacking up thick black phlegm 2 or 3 times a day.

If you're not familiar you might want to look up some history on tobacco and how commercialization has made it far more potent than anything Native Americans once used.

Mojo

[kodi]

21. try not to be such a fucking smart-assed punk when you attack me.

i lost a grandmother and grandfather to tobacco, and my mother lost a lung to it.

it was their choice. they knew the dangers. just as my heroin addicted ex-wife knew the dangers of smack before she put a spike in her arm.

i am well aware of the use of additives in commerical tobacco to increase the potentency of the delivery mechanism for nicotine to the central nervous system.

[MojoKrunch]

40. Ouch... touched a nerve I see.

And FYI, dude, that wasn't an "attack".

i lost a grandmother and grandfather to tobacco, and my mother lost a lung to it.
You and millions others, dude.
I lost my grandfather to lympatic cancer when I was 18 and he hadn't smoked cigarettes the entire time I knew him.

it was their choice.
I doubt it.
How old were they when they started?
I suspect they were in their teens and that they were sold the idea.
Businesses don't spend billions of dollars on Marketing because it doesn't work, you know.

Who in their right mind *INHALES SMOKE* without coercion of some kind?
Ridiculous.

they knew the dangers.
Bullshit.
Big Tobacco worked for years and years to hide the dangers they *knew* existed.
It took the government *forcing* them to finally put some kind of label on their product.
But so what? By then they'd hooked millions and they were *STILL MARKETING TO KIDS*.
Did they know that they'd been deliberately marketed to as teens and were consuming a product *DESIGNED* to increase addiction?
I doubt it.
Cut your family some slack, man.

just as my heroin addicted ex-wife knew the dangers of smack before she put a spike in her arm.
Now *that* comparison is valid.
Except that modern tobacco has been modified to be *MORE ADDICTIVE* and people were *NOT* aware.
Whereas herion is just herion and its addictive properties are commonly known.

i am well aware of the use of additives in commerical tobacco to increase the potentency of the delivery mechanism for nicotine to the central nervous system.
Good deal.
Now at what point will you begin to hold Big Tobacco responsible for selling a dangerous product and comprehend that damn near every smoker you know is just as much an addict as your ex-wife?

"try not to be such a fucking smart-assed punk when you attack me."
Try not to be such a sensitive little priss when you respond.

Mojo

[YellowRubberDuckie]

54. Doctors used to PRESCRIBE cigarettes....

Back at that time, people thought they were glamourous and cured everything. Yes, they were dumb back then, but even though the tobacco companies knew different, they were making MILLIONS, so fuck a few cancer victims...the CEO had to buy the wife a new cadillac.
Duckie

[MojoKrunch]

71. Well hell, they used to put cocaine in candy, too. :D

I'm thinking that 100 years from now people will look back on nicotine added cigarettes the same way we look back on cocaine in soda pop.

Mojo

[Sting]

16. Um...no offense....

...but it's a cartoon. I found it funny, anyways. :shrug:

[AlFrankenFan]

17. Disturbing

especially because Rob Reiner looks like my science teacher. But this episode really does prove South Park's conservative bias. It is disturbing, but I will continue to watch only unless this continues.

-Also, did you see Homer bash the liberal media quote-un-quote last episode? "Wrong again, liberal media" is what he said.

-This is also something I found from last year:
According to TechCentralStation.com the Republican Party has undergone a few changes.

As we all know, the stereotype for our typical Republican is a big fat white guy with a lot of money. Now that people like Colin Powell, Christie Whitman, J.C. Watts, and Condoleeza Rice are members we've noticed that times have changed. SouthPark Republicans... or so they're called have been popping up left and right, and most Republicans and moralists, including members of the Christian right have condemned the show for being bad for practically anyone who wants to go to heaven.

Yet in spite of this all, the show persuasively communicates the Republican position on many issues, including hate crime legislation ("a savage hypocrisy"), radical environmentalism, and rampant litigation by ambitious trial lawyers. In one episode, industrious gnomes pick apart myopic anti-corporate rhetoric and teach the main characters about the benefits of capitalism.

Whole article: http://www.techcentralstation.com/100702A.html

[FDRrocks]

20. The last two simpsons episodes features the phrase

'liberal media' in a half sarcastic derogatory light. I think it was all in jest.

edit: BTW WELCOME TO DU :) :) :) :) :) :)

[AlFrankenFan]

23. Thanks

i'm just under a new username...old one being CSI Willows, but i registered under that one in july, so I guess I am somewhat new. thanks :)

[Cooley Hurd]

63. Trust me, the Homer comment on "liberal media" was actually...

...a slap at those who claim such bias exists. If you really want to know the political slant of the Simpsons, check out:

-The episode on the Stonecutters
-The episode in which the show a meeting of the Springfield Republicans (NOT even remotely flattering)
-The episode which parodied Faux News, complete w/ crawler that said things like "Do Democrats cause cancer..." "Study: 92 per cent of Democrats are gay..." "JFK posthumously joins Republican Party..." "Oil slicks found to keep seals young, supple..."

Here's a story about the furor it caused at Faux:
Simpsons parody upset Fox News, says Groening

[JackSwift]

19. I'll watch if something is funny, left, right or center

Last week's episode extolling the virtues of Mormanism wasn't funny and I turned it off half way through. Mormans are fine people, I like them. But I expect to laugh at South Park. I expect to be outrageously offended and laughing my ass off at the same time. Like the cannibal episode. Hell, I'd watch Dennis Miller mock liberals if it were funny. But he isn't, so I don't watch him. He's just mean and scared.

And South Park has always been right wing. But it was outrageously funny most of the time.

[Blue-Jay]

22. I agree totally (in principle)

I thought that the Mormon episode was pretty funny, though. Dennis used to be funny. Furthermore, I'll sit and watch Planet of the Apes everytime it's on, regardless of Chucky's political leanings. Ahh-nold is a complete tosser, but I love Terminator movies. As much as I agree with Whoopi Goldberg's politics, every movie since The Color Purple has sucked ass. Barbra Streisand annoys me. I love Richard Wagner operas, even though he was a favorite of Hitler.

My point? I don't filter EVERY DAMNED THING through a left/right filter. If it's good, it's good.

[RandomKoolzip]

26. Hear, hear!

One of the best writers on the subject of Rock music is Joe Carducci, who worked at SST records in the Early 80's and promoted the careers of Black Flag, the Minutemen, Husker Du, etc. and just happened to be a conservative. His book, "Rock and The Pop Narcotic, " is the BEST book I've ever read about rock. His insights are so incisive that I have to look beyond the guy's political leanings and realize there's a lot of talent at work there.

Seriously, if it's good, it's good. And if something terrible is made by a liberal then I'm gonna say it's terrible! The template of politics shouldn't be applied to every damn cultural item, especially a goddamn cartoon show. It's meant to be IRREVERENT, get it? That means shibboleths of both sides will be offended.

[durutti]

49. So you'd laugh at racist jokes?

n/t

[last_texas_dem]

25. I gave up on South Park being fair a long time ago

The "class election" episode three years back was more than I could stomach. Just nothing funny to me about sElection 2000, especially the way it was portrayed on South Park. Perhaps the creators are occasionally "equal opportunity" in their political bashing... Perhaps I just don't have the sense of humor I used to have now that we're living in this nightmare.

[stanwyck]

60. agree, Last TexasDem

my sense of humor has been destroyed by this fascist regime.

[luckydevi]

27. So what's new

Newsfalsh:

Southpark has always had a right-wing bent.

Both the creators have been on record as declaring themselves republicans(though one of them is a registered libertarian)

[anti_shrub]

29. and I bet before the season's out

They'll do another episode like the one where they made fun of country singers who made songs about 9/11 while Bush says we have to launch a pre-emptive strike on Heaven, and people will post on DU saying "I knew South Park was liberal!@!@!"

I'm a rabid anti-smoker and those nonsmoking campaigns (like those obnoxious "the truth" ads) make me want to smoke a whole pack out of spite.

Sometimes being an equal opportunity offender means they're gonna eventualluy dis on something important to you. I don't think Trey and Matt are going to be at the next Bush fundraiser.

Don't forget Matt was in that hardcore neo-con flick "Bowling for Columbine" too, the damned repuke that he is.

[RandomKoolzip]

30. People said the same shit about Zappa in the 60's/70's.

Oh, he's a republican, he's sexist, he's anti-semitic, etc. IT's SATIRE, people. The point is to offend EVERYBODY. Nothing is sacred, get over it. Stop worrying about the goings on in some poorly-drawn cartoon and worry about the goings on in your own life.

[anti_shrub]

31. also remember

That they constantly portray typical right wing groups like gun owners and religious people as evil/stupid/clueless, not to mention Cartman is a walking parody of right wingers (loud, greedy, selfish, racist/sexist) and he usually ends up the one who gets taught a lesson.


As someone who's watched the show from the very start, its clear that Matt and Trey are those kind of people who basically are left leaning, but don't agree with all things liberal so they don't want to identify themselves as left leaning.

Besides, the show's funny. Real repub/conservative humor isn't.

[RandomKoolzip]

33. I've only seen a few episodes of the show, but...

Liberals getting upset about this shit only gives repubs fuel for their "liberals are oppresively PC" bullshit. The fact that there's some people getting upset only makes us look like prudish elitists, unfortunatley. :eyes:

Stop playing into the hands of the right! Acting all upset about this is exactly what the right wants us to do.

[AWD]

37. AMEN!!!

Liberals getting upset about this shit only gives repubs fuel for their "liberals are oppresively PC" bullshit.

AMEN!

Have a friggin' sense of humor, people. They make fun of EVERYTHING! But with some people here, as soon as they do one episode that doesn't show things in a left-wing light, it' immediately gets cast into the "they're lifetime Republicans" shadow, and the show is all about right-wing jingoism and propaganda.

IT'S. A. CARTOON. And it's damn funny all the time.

As someone who has met Trey Parker, let me assure you.....NOTHING he says is believeable. He is ALWAYS trying to screw with your head and make you believe things that are sometimes ridiculous....and he does a great job at it. In an interview a few years back, someone asked them what political party they were in, and with a complete straight face, Trey said Republicans. And a whole bunch of people with no sense of irony or humor bought it and take it for gospel.

The same people neglect to notice that they also claim that they didn't vote in 2000, because they didn't want to tamper with the show they were formulating called "Family First" about the soon-to-be residents of the White House. (the show later became "That's My Bush!")

[luckydevi]

42. Disagree

I think some you of you guys are in denial about the politics of southpark. Yes, they do attack everybody, but it has a right-wing bent(libertarian).

The a big reason why Norman Mailer helped write some shows last year(not sure if he is still with them) was to add more balance.

Interview after interview they will proclaim they hate conservatives, but they REALLY hate liberals.

With all that said, it is a great show.

[Susang]

84. I think you mean NORMAN LEAR

Norman Mailer writing an episode of South Park would truly hysterical. But not in the way you imply.

[greyl]

72. Cartman is modeled after Archie Bunker

According to Matt and Trey.


(I heard it on some radio show this week)

[Blue-Jay]

32. I like RKZ.

He deals with reality.
Is mystified by Radiohead's appeal.
Tells the truth.
Most of all.... Is a fan of The Minutemen. (for that, I'll forgive him for stealing my bicycle)

"I can't believe it all
was good for humankind
is it peace
to point the guns?
is it war
to fire the guns?
we would run with all of our might
push the king off to take the hill
and to learn who was king
and who makes the better serf
I can't believe it all
was good for humankind"

[RandomKoolzip]

41. You left out a few things.

1. My three marriages to Richard Burton.
2. My two marraiges to Mike Todd.
3. My death in a small plane crash in 2002.
4. Radiohead sucks.

Thank you for the glowing praise! My cheeks are red....and the ones on my face are even redder!

[Loonman]

34. A dead-on laugh riot

Shows the tobacco companies aren't the only ones who resort to bullshit and lies to get their point across.


Dead-on about the second-hand smoke issue which has never been fully resolved.

[ProfessorGAC]

35. Just A Question

If you don't second hand smoke, i completely understand. For a non-smoker it can be darned irritating. But, you said 2nd hand smoke IS a KNOWN health risk.

Can you cite a credible study that confirms the dangers of 2nd hand smoke?

I participated in a peer review (as a consultant) of the data collected by AMA. (In 1995) I could find no causal link between 2nd hand smoke and adverse health effects to those exposed. This if, of course, unless they already had a serious respiratory disorder, like emphysema, asthma, and the like. But, there was no reduction in life span, no increased likelihood of future respiratory illnesses, and no increased risk of cancer. To me, it fit all the definitions of a Class II irritant. That doesn't make it good, but it doesn't make it an acute health risk, either.

If you have access to a study that shows that this link is statistically irrefutable, i'd sure like to see it.
The Professor

[Khephra]

36. Not quite the question and answer I was looking for, but...

Matt and Trey once answered the "what's your politics?" question and the answer was similar to the one below about God.


May 30, 2003

Q: Matt and Trey always joke about Jesus and God. Do they hate, or are angry at God? Is it just teasing?

A: Matt and Trey do not hate God. They just feel that no one and nothing is safe from being made fun of. It's all or nothing, we are an equal oppertunity offender.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/show/faqview.html?id=12424

[noonwitch]

38. It was funny, lighten up

It was not pro-tobacco, it was anti-pc. It did not justify smoking, it villified the more extreme among anti-smoking activists.

As a light smoker myself, I don't expect to be able to smoke in the mall, at work, in most public buildings. Hell, I smoke on my own porch and I live alone, just because I don't want my house to reek of it. But bars, hotels and restaurants should be able to make up their own minds and let the customers decide where they want to eat or go for entertainment.

[AWD]

39. Definitive proof that South Park is NOT 'right-wing'

- "Volcano" episode (Ned thows down his shotgun to say "only now do I see the horrible folly of guns")
- Big Gay Al
- Stan's gay dog and how they portray Stan's love for him overcoming the fear of the stigma.
- the evil corproate "Harbucks" representative trying to take over Mr. Tweak's little coffee shop
- the "Christian Broadcasting Station" keeps demanding billions of dollars in donations for a photon blaster so they call kill the aliens and spread Jesus' message.
- In "the Red Badge Of Gayness", the Confederate army only thinks they're doing the right thing when they're really, really drunk on S'mores Schnapps.
- In "Chef Goes Nanners", the KKK are portrayed as a pack of idiots whose biggest rallies include playing "Wahat's Under My Robe?"
- Satan appears in several episodes, and always comes across as likeable (what right-winger would do that?).
- In the episode about the kindergarten election, the lawyers for each side never accomplish anything, only agreeing to have more meetings.
- In "Cripple Fight", it is revealed that the Boy Scouts have a heterosexual scout master who takes naked pictures of children, but expel the homosexual scout master (Big Gay Al) instead.
- The "Supoer Best Friends" are a superhero group which come from many religions (what right-winger would ever make Mohammed equal to Jesus?)


And there's LOTS more.

Sure, you can come up with plenty that makes fun of the left wing...but doesn't that just prove that they are indeed neutral?

[luckydevi]

44. Harbucks

The Harbucks episode was about the virtues of capitalism. So was the amusement park pisode.

The boy scout show was about free association.

[durutti]

51. Nitpicking

- "Volcano" episode (Ned thows down his shotgun to say "only now do I see the horrible folly of guns")

Said in mockery of gun control advocates.

- Big Gay Al

Remember the Boy Scouts episode? They defend the right of the Boy Scouts to kick him out.

- the evil corproate "Harbucks" representative trying to take over Mr. Tweak's little coffee shop

But the moral of the story was that it was right for Harbucks to take it over.

- Satan appears in several episodes, and always comes across as likeable (what right-winger would do that?).

I don't think you have to be a Christian to be a conservative.

- In "Cripple Fight", it is revealed that the Boy Scouts have a heterosexual scout master who takes naked pictures of children, but expel the homosexual scout master (Big Gay Al) instead.

See above.

I think that South Park is, on the whole, a pretty right-wing show. Trey Parker and Matt Stone are registered Republicans.

[Loonman]

56. Wrong-O

Trey Parker and Matt Stone are registered Republicans.


Wrong. Trey Parker is a Libertarian, and Matt is unregistered.


http://www.theadvocates.org/celebrities/trey-parker.html

http://www.lp.org/lpnews/0105/parker.html

[luckydevi]

62. well

Both in public have proclaimed that they are republicans, not just once but many times. Though as you have stated Parker is a registered libertarian.

I know they did at People for the American Way fundraising dinner.

[kanrok]

55. Chef's Chocolate Salty Balls

How many right-wing wackos would sing: "put 'em in your mouth and such 'em, suck 'em"? Well...maybe Ann Coulter would.

[elfwitch]

43. I think they were being ironic..

n/t

[durutti]

45. I agree entirely.

I posted on this topic this morning.

[Loonman]

50. Maybe you guys just missed the disclaimer

ALL CHARACTERS AND EVENTS IN
THIS SHOW--EVEN THOSE BASED
ON REAL PEOPLE--ARE ENTIRELY
FICTIONAL. ALL CELEBRITY VOICES
ARE IMPERSONATED.....POORLY.
THE FOLLOWING PROGRAM
CONTAINS COARSE LANGUAGE
AND DUE TO ITS CONTENT IT
SHOULD NOT BE VIEWED BY
ANYONE.

---------------------------

Lighten up, Francis.....

[RandomKoolzip]

58. Oooh, a "Stripes" reference!

Good call!


Seriously, we all need thicker skins. If a amateurishly-rendered cartoon like South Park manages to offend you, then you deserve to be offended. Your feelings can only be hurt if you give the offender the power to hurt you.

South Park is like that kid in junior high who mooned all the teachers and ate his boogers in front of the girls. You think it's a good idea to take anything they say seriously? The point of the show is to shit all over anything that seems remotely sacred, and that applies to liberal-PC bulwarks as much as it does to conservative-PC ones. Relax.

[ldoolin]

53. yep

I've always thought South Park had a pretty strong crypto-right wing, libertarian slant. The episode about the underpants gnomes had fairly obvious laissez-faire capitalist overtones, and using Saddam Hussein in a few episodes played right into the Republican strategy of trying to demonize and make fun of Hussein and drum up war fever.

On the other hand, they did take a good jab at Ayn Rand in one episode, and you really cannot go wrong making fun of anti-drug education. Drugs are bayud, umkay?

[ArkDem]

64. Oh well,

you are probably too old for cartoons anyway.

[Anaxamander]

65. Question about South Park for those who watch the show...

I only catch an ep occasionally, so can someone tell me when & how Kenny came back?

[Anaxamander]

78. kick... anyone? (nt)

[Qutzupalotl]

83. He just does.

Kenny dies in (nearly) every episode.

Next episode, he's back, like nothing happened. It's just a running gag.

[BloodyWilliam]

66. Um, suck it up.

South Park isn't gonna agree with us on everything, and I for one believe the smoking issue is bad. There are enough concessions for us non-smokers (I have asthma, myself) to be confortable without eliminating smoking all together (especially when many of us want to get weed legalized. Don't want to be hypocrites after all. :evilgrin:)

[Loonman]

67. Intolerant liberals?

Nooooooo!

[SweetZombieJesus]

68. Jesus Christ people

If there were an overwhelming right wing bent to this show, I wouldn't have watched EVERY SINGLE EPISODE EVER AIRED, and laughed at every one of them. Anyone can pick out a few issues from 300 some episodes and say "LOOK! THEY'RE SECRET REPUBLICANS TRYING TO BRAINWASH US!"

I know this administration lends itself to massive paranoia, but for fuck's sake, lighten up. One of the hallmarks of this show is trying to point out that not everyone is left or right. Quite a few of us are liberal on some issues, and conservative on others, and that's PERFECTLY OK.

The minute you start lobbing accusations that people aren't "pure" lefties or some such nonsense, you slide into fascism.

If every episode of South Park was about how stupid Republicans are, it would get boring after a while. The point of South Park is that all kinds of people, from all walks of life, are fucking dumb assholes sometimes.

And on the Boy Scouts thing: They are a private organization, so here's a clue: IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TEACH YOUR KIDS TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST GAYS, DON'T LET THEM JOIN THE FUCKING SCOUTS, DUMBASS. Besides, I hated Scouts anyway, I was much happier just playing backyard football with my friends than trying to make fucking birdhouses and shit like that. I'd rather my kids didn't belong to a group that discriminates against gays, so guess what? I won't encourage them to join one, rather than try and force other people to accept them.

Lighten the FUCK up.

[Shakespeare]

81. Excellent, excellent, excellent post!

I second that rant.

[ibegurpard]

69. I don't think South Park has any obligation to be "neutral"

It's an irreverant and offensive comedy and that usually means skewering everything and everyone. I'll agree with you if you make the same comments about news programs, though.

[adamblast]

76. It's never been a neutral show. Sure they attack both right and left...

...but they've always saved their biggest attacks for the left...

People get confused about it because they're also profanity-laced and willing to piss off the religious...

But the longterm political message of the show has always been that liberals are just stupid whiners...

[Loonman]

80. "show has always been that liberals are just stupid whiners..."

What would you think after reading all the comments on this thread?

Christ, it reads like Fundies going after Harry Potter.

Here we supposedly go on and on about how satire is "protected speech".


We have seen the enemy, and the enemy is Political Correctness.

[parasim]

82. Exactly what I was thinking

With threads like this, the boys of SP will certainly be able to pick up a few script ideas...

[RandomKoolzip]

79. If we can't laugh at ourselves, we're no better than Rush Limbaugh.

There's a guy with no self-deprecation gland; humbleness is what makes humans great, and part of that is the ability to laugh at our pretentions and foibles.