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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 08:50 PM
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OMG. He was here again. The Peeper.


I saw his tracks in the snow when I was taking some stuff out to the car. So he must have been here last night. He let himself in the back yard through the gate and walked to my home office window. Like he always does. Well at least he didn't get to see me since I wasn't in my office last night. But still, it just creeps me out to know he's even out there.

:scared:


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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 08:51 PM
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1. eek
Do you have any lights that have motion detectors on them? If not, I would invest in a few.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 08:51 PM
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3. Seconded.
Peepers and prowlers HATE light.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 08:53 PM
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6. Thirded
Sheding light on the problem is a good way to let them know:

a) Their activies aren't that secret. You're watching them.

b) They definitely hate light.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:01 PM
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12. Another problem...


...the back yard is entirely fenced in with a 6' high solid wooden fence. Even if it lit him up, no one would see him. Right now I have it so sensitive that even bunnies set it off. So I'm hoping he doesn't know that, and at least it might scare him off, because if I see the lights go off I do come to the window. Although I am scared sh!tless when I do it!

But the bigger problem, I think, is that he has been doing this a long time - literally for years; he has a pattern and I am a "stop" on his route. I've followed his footprints in the snow before, from house to house. He knows where all the security lights are in the neighborhood, and exactly where to cut through yards to avoid setting any off.


:scared:

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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:04 PM
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16. I would try to get pics of his tracks
now that you have snow. It's not much, but it's another detail that you can give to the police.

And enlist the other neighbors since he appears to be a neighborhood problem.

The problem with this behavior is that it escalates. There will come a time when just peeping will NOT scratch his itch. :scared:

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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:18 PM
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28. Are the police on this case? If not, file a complaint. Ask for nightly
protection. I hope he doesn't do harm to you are your neighbors.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 08:53 PM
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5. Yes, but he gets past them because he walks close to the house


...and underneath their range.


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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 08:55 PM
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7. Try to turn them so they hit where he walks.
and call the police!
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 08:57 PM
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11. Can you reaim the lights
so that they focus more on the house? Or perhaps put a set in a fence or bushes opposite hat he wouldn't see.

That's really worrisome, DA. :hug:

Related note: My sister and her family moved to a nice new house in one of the upscale developments here. This place has outdoor lights galore and an alarm system, and so do their neighbors. I live out in the country in our family homeplace where it's dark, dark, dark. Who gets the home invasion? My sister of course. Figure that one out.

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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:03 PM
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15. Yep, maybe get some more lights...
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Blue Diadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:13 PM
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24. How about some type of alarm for your gate?
Perhaps a driveway alarm that could alert you inside the house when someone walks through the gate area..that way you could call the cops right away.

It's frightening..I know. I've become so accustomed to having strangers, mostly teenagers and some young adults, in my yard at all times of the night that I just go outside now with a police sized flashlight and my dog. If DH is home he'll go in one direction while I go in the other. One night I caught some college kids using my then unsecure wireless connection. Needless to say, they haven't been back since.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:22 PM
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30. I've talked to a cop about setting up an actual police alarm
Edited on Tue Dec-27-05 09:24 PM by Dangerously Amused

... and was going to do it, but they (police dept.) didn't have any available at the time. The officer was kind of hesitant to do it also because the guy will sometimes go a month or more between peeps, and the police didn't want an alarm sitting idle that long when they could be using it for other things. Maybe I'll just have to get an alarm of my own. I think it's called a "Vargas" alarm...? Any cops out there who can confirm that? I guess I can ask my officer, too.


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SofaKingLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:42 AM
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107. Something like this might work
http://www.smarthome.com/32215.html

I couldn't find anything about Vargas alarms on google.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:08 AM
Response to Reply #107
110. Wow, now THAT is pretty cool!



And something I surely never would have found on my own.


Thank you!

I've bookmarked it and will definitely keep that in mind!


:hi:


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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:28 AM
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113. I always close all my blinds at night. If anyone is trying to peep,
they're out of luck.

The blinds open back up in the morning.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:32 AM
Response to Reply #113
114. Sometimes I remember to pull the shades.


A lot of times I forget.

Bad me! :eyes:


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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 08:51 PM
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2. Have you reported this?
eom
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:13 PM
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26. Yes, the police know.
Edited on Tue Dec-27-05 09:16 PM by Dangerously Amused


Heck, our city Crime Watch officer lives on my block and parks his big McGruff promo van out in front of the house. And their kids caught him looking in their window!

The police have been trying to catch him for years. They log the reports and have photos of footprints, etc. They've caught one peeper in the past, but they're not sure if it's "our" peeper.

The guy has no established pattern (other than at night, obviously). I'll find his footprints in the snow a few times every winter. I have no idea how often he's there in the summer.

I mean, I don't give him much to look at, except in the summer I'll maybe walk around in a sport bra and shorts. Big whoop. So I'm not upset about anything like that. But just knowing he's so close - the office window is about five feet away from my desk - and watching me. =shudder=

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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:15 AM
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101. Ever think about getting a canine companion?
My border collie mix is the sweetest-natured critter; but his bark scares the bejeebers out of people. I had another years ago, who almost attacked a boyfriend who pretended to threaten me.

Jeeze hon! Sounds really scary! :hug:
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:38 AM
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106. Hey there.


My sweet doggie - also a border collie mix, aren't they the BEST? - died last spring and I am still heartbroken. He was far too gentle to ever be a threat to anyone, but yes, I did feel safer with him around at least to bark if anyone came to the door. I'm not ready to replace him yet, though I know I will get another dog some day. But maybe for now I will borrow my Mom's beagle mix until I get another dog of my own. Mom's dog is VERY protective of family members and the house. She once positioned herself between me and a four year old neighbor girl heading in my direction, to protect me. Good dog!

Thanks for your suggestion. :hug:


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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:59 AM
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109. Oh yeah...beagles know how to bark!
Edited on Wed Dec-28-05 01:00 AM by GoddessOfGuinness
I lived with one for awhile (my landlady's when I rented a room in her house). In fact, she decided to rent to me because the dog had a positive reaction. She had a powerful voice for a smaller dog.

I know what you mean about not being ready for another. It's so hard to lose them. :hug:

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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:10 AM
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111. Thanks for the hug.


Back at you.


:hug:


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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 08:52 PM
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4. What?!
You've got a Peeper?

Obvious, but have you called the police? Perhaps they can step up patrols in your area.
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 08:55 PM
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8. Get more lights.
Leave the lamps on, overhead lights in the house, etc. They don't like lights at all.
If you live in a small town call the police and request a property check. They will check your property a couple of times each shift and walk around. Most peepers who see this will not return since most officers will vary the times that they do a check.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:32 PM
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36. It's funny (not ha ha funny) and sad...


But we do get very good coverage... immediately after every report, and it is especially good coverage since the brother officer lives right there. But, again, nothing happens for a month or two and interest dies down.


My theory: As I said this has been going on for years, and the guy knows the neighbothood like the back of his hand. I think it's got to be someone who lives right in the neighborhood, because he will always have a perfect alibi for being at the scene; if he ever was stopped, he could just say he heard or saw something and he went out to see if he could catch the guy himself.


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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:35 PM
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38. Document every time it happens.
And if you have a suspect document every date and time you see him in the area. That would give them someone to watch at a later date.
That's the best I can help you right now. Get a notebook and keep track of anything that is suspicious in it. A little bit of help can go a long way.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:43 PM
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41. Yep, I call it in every time.


And once I even found his cigarette butt underneath my window, so I carefully picked it up and put it in a bag and gave it to the police so they could get the bastard's DNA!

(Apparently he has been know to leave cigarette butts under other windows as well. At least they know what brand he smokes.) :eyes:


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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:53 PM
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45. Most departments cannot afford the price of a DNA
test for a case of a peeping Tom. But knowing the brand is a good idea.
Get the notebook, document everything you notice around you. Talk to your neighbors and start a neighborhood watch. They are very easy to form and it doesn't take that much time to be involved in.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:08 PM
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53. Right. You and I both know


...the department probably wouldn't pony up for a DNA test on a cigarette butt for a peeper.

BUT... does the PEEPER know that?

And even if he does... how can he be sure that the neighbors won't pitch in to come up with the money for the test just to nail his pathetic little ass?

The neighborhood watch idea is good, too. We do have one loosely based.

Thank you for your concern and all your good suggestions!


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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:21 PM
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59. No prob.
I used to dispatch for a few police departments. I've heard enough stories and I know what the basic advice will be. And they'd definitely tell you the neighborhood watch and the notebook.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 08:56 PM
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9. Two words:
Electric fence.

Redstone
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 08:57 PM
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10. Camera systems are cheap these days
Dummys and signs might work, too but since the real deal's so cheap, I don't see why not to go with the real thing.
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:10 PM
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22. Yep, really cheap
I got mine at X-10 and for less than $200 I have low light wireless, motion activated video recording and motion activated lights both inside and out. The picture is really clear, the camera small enough not to be easily seen and it's even on a remote gimbal so that I can track what's happening from inside the house.

A good video of this guy could get your police department to do something about him.

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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:38 PM
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39. That's not a bad idea.


When I talked to the police awhile ago about it, I offered to let them set up any kind of camera they wanted in my garage, any kind of motion detector or tripwire or whatever in my yard, or do a stakeout there, or whatever they wanted. But they never did anything about it. Maybe I'll just have to get the camera set up myself.


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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:20 PM
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58. I'm pretty sure that peeping is a misdemeaner
So even if they videotaped him, it would get thrown out of court. Either the cops or you have to catch him in the act and detain him.

Bury a bear trap in the snow -- that'll take care of the problem.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:29 PM
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64. Excellent idea!


:rofl:


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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 11:39 PM
Response to Reply #58
86. Wouldn't this be considered stalking these days?
Whatever - I'd get the camera set up immediately and get some video.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 11:52 PM
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91. Thank you. That IS a good idea


...and I am definitely leaning in that direction now.

:hi:


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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:02 PM
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13. I wouldn't sweat it too much
ForrestGump will soon appear here and confess to being the naughty man. And then you can punish him.



And we can watch. :bounce:
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:06 PM
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17. That's over the line
OR. :eyes:

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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:31 PM
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35. Actually, it was under the ground
I sometimes have attacks of low humor. :blush:

It was quite insensitive and I do apologize.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #13
42. I'll kick his ass.


For being so stupid.

All he has to do is ask...


:)



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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:24 PM
Response to Reply #42
62. I'll bring my sword
The prowler-slashing kind, I mean.

I hate that f***er, sight unseen.

Call me Raging Gump. :grr:
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:03 PM
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14. My neighbor's pit bull would have come handy.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:07 PM
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18. Will you please call the police and report this??
The first time you posted about this, you scared the shit out of me. Now you have evidence that he's been there - apparently several times... and yet, you're OK with that??
What happens when he's no longer satisfied with just peeping?
And if not you, then what if he goes after someone else?

Honestly, I just don't understand why you're so hesitant to take this to the police. :shrug:
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:08 PM
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20. They do tend to escalate.
And there is nothing scary about at least reporting it to the police. Most likely the police won't do much, if anything, but at least they will have a record of it.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:09 PM
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21. That was my point
If not her or her neighbors, if he is allowed to keep it up, he will attack someone in the future.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:08 PM
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52. Well, the police doesn't do much.
Obviously, they haven't done anything in this case either. I am not surprised.
I guess god helps those who help themselves.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:59 PM
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47. Hey Rev.


This is the first time I've posted about it. I remember the other thread about a peeper awhile ago, but that wasn't mine. Although I did warn that poster about the seriousness of the situation and perhaps spoke from my own experience, so I can understand where you might confuse us.

For the record, I'm not okay with it. This has been going on for years already; I have called the police on many occasions, and have even gathered evidence for them. I've offered them the complete use of my house, garage, property, whatever they need to catch the guy. But nothing ever came of it. I get the feeling that "peepers" are not a high priority for them.

I posted here tonight I guess out of frustration, and also in the hopes that some would offer suggestions for ways to deal with it that perhaps I haven't thought of yet. And many have. For which I am very grateful.

I may have to go with setting up my own camera to catch the guy.


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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:07 PM
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19. call the police
Their dog can track his path right to his front door!
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:14 PM
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54. Wow. That's a good idea.


I wonder why they didn't think of that. Well okay, I'm pretty sure our small local department doesn't have it's own bloodhound type dog, but I think departments loan those dogs to each other if there is a need. I'm going to ask my local police dept. why they can't do that.

Thanks!


:hi:


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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #54
74. The county can send the K-9 unit out.
I am not sure what the time-frame is for tracking. Call the police and they can tell you if it has been too long. But, this is something not to take lightly.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:12 PM
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23. Dang, that's awful!
And scary as shit! I had a stalker a number of years ago, a guy I dated then stopped dating. I threatened to call the police on him, so he stopped, but your problem is worse. Please call the police. Maybe one of their dogs can sniff the bastard out! And be careful. :pals:
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:17 PM
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56. Thanks for your concern.


I'm actually thinking about moving in the upcoming year, this reason being one of several. But even so, I would still like to see the guy caught for my neighbor's safety.

:pals:


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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:36 PM
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67. No kidding.
I hope he does get caught, the creep! :pals:
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:13 PM
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25. What are the police doing about this?
You have called them, right? :shrug:
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:21 PM
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60. Yes, I've been working with them from day one.


But they can't seem to catch the guy. They tell me they have a few suspects, but just can't pin anything on him yet.


It's frustrating.



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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #60
70. Well that's always a good sign.
:eyes:
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 02:11 AM
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116. I confronted a peeping Tom a few years ago. My upstairs neighbor saw a
teenage boy watching me through my window a few times, and we decided once she saw him again, she'd call me on the sly.

I pretended nothing was going on, set the phone down and remained watching teevee for a couple more minutes, then lifted my glass as if to go the kitchen. I went out the front door and ran around the corner of the apartment with a broom raised yelling at the poor kid. I yelled, "Hey, you little pervert, get the fuck away away from my WINDOW! If I see you here again, I'm going to call your MOTHER!"

He was an orthodox jewish boy (yarmulka) and you can bet, he never peeped in my window again.

Peepers are timid, oppressed insecure little boys at heart. It's very easy to scare the SHIT out of them. There is nothing to be afraid in in taking the position of power. At this point, your pansy little peeper has YOU scared. It's time to turn the tables and FUCK with him. What do you have to be scared of? All he's going to do is run. Chances are, he's a tiny little guy, and if he attempts -- doubtfully -- to throw a punch or tackle you, kick the shit out of him!

I'm a little chick, but it's being tough that scares these wimpy ass losers.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 01:00 AM
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120. You really shouldn't assume anything of the sort.
Not all peepers are going to be harmless.
They also tend to escalate. At first, they just look, then they want to take mementos, then they might break in, etc.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 01:11 AM
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121. It's basic criminal and psychological profiling. Taking the aggressive
position deflates the cowardly little pansy completely.

The whole culture of fear about men, while having a basis in reality, is also based on a conditioned response which works only the male advantage, not to ours, the women.

Men aren't that much stronger than women, and they're a lot smaller than they used to be. It's not that difficult to fend off a man, if he actually has the balls to make a physical advance, which is pretty rare as a whole. Most attacks on women of any sort are by people they know. In most rape cases, the woman has had some contact with the aggressor. Stranger on stranger violent crime is quite rare.

It's just self defense, it isn't that scary. All women should learn basic defensive moves, and more importantly be properly EMOTIONALLY prepared to handle one's self in any situation, instead of waiting, scared by the window for the boogie man. The wait by the window mentality is a victim's mentality. Going after the idiot outside the window FIRST is what saves your life.

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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 02:47 AM
Response to Reply #121
127. CODE hypothesis?
I think there's something to it. Creation Of a Dangerous Environment: men set up an air of danger so that they can protect you from it and keep you under their control, sorta like the way the US government's been acting. But I also know that sometimes people -- not just men, but primarily so -- can be actually dangerous. The CODE hypothesis may be an elegant theory, but the reality is that danger is about and that women are victmized all too often.

I agree that women tend to be conditioned not to fight. My experience in martial arts has shown me that truth over and over again...it can take a lot to break a new female student out of the constraints on her 'violent' responses. On the other hand, I've sparred women of more advanced levels who have taken me down time and time again. All else being equal, a man is likely to beat a woman by virtue of muscular power and size (reach), but all things are not always equal.

In general, though, any random man is likely to have a physical edge over any random female -- at least an edge in terms of physical combat. More to the point, he's almost certain to enjoy a strong psychological/emotional advantage because he has been raised to engage in fights and rough activity, may well have inured himself somewhat to the shock of being hit (it IS a shock), and is otherwise more prepared to give and receive blows even if this is nothing more than an artefact of traditional gender roles and reinforcement (men fight, women nurture). Because of the disparity, I'd hesitate to recommend that any woman get belligerent with a man within the context of an encounter such as that with a prowler or even peeping tom. Yes, going on the offensive can negate the man's likely advantages through sheer shock value -- in nature, territorial disputes are typically won by the territory holder even if it's smaller and less capable than the intruder, and anyone who's seen small birds mobbing a large predator knows the value of getting in the face of a potential threat -- but the issue's complicated further by likelihod of the bad guy toting a knife, gun, or other weapon.

As for self defense, I think women should take courses BUT that most courses are ineffective and, indeed, may cause more harm than good. Too many such courses teach a few techniques, often including very unrealistic ones, and can provide a false sense of security that is exceedingly dangerous. Heck, the marketing idiots pushing Tae Bo on TV were having people come out with testmonials as to how they felt so much more able to look after themsleves and even about how they threatened defensive action on would-be attackers...freaked me all the way out, because tae bo is NOT a martial art and any fool who thinks they can use it as anything but a good aerobics progam is potentially gonna die, as a result.

There is only one real way to get the fighting spirit -- or to overcome conditioning toward non-fighting, non-contact, non-unladylike behavior -- and that is to kick the hell out of someone. Joining a good martial arts school offers a myriad of benefits far above and beyond mere fighting ability. BUT, it'll take you maybe three years before you're really likely to enjoy significant advantage in an actual fight. Good things are not -- and I realize that this is very much against the American Way -- gained as quick fixes or as overnight skillsets. It takes a lot of time to learn any martial art to the point at which it might be useful in its martial aspects, longer still before it helps you out in an acual streetfight, and many, many years (unless you're lucky) before you have better-than-random chance against someone armed with whatever weapon (and, it should be noted, your opponent needs very little experience to be able to make you dead if he or she is toting that weapon).

To my mind, the best kinds of self-defense courses for women (if you're not willing or able to go the martial-arts route) are those offered by Model Mugging, and similar. They train women to really go for it, ripping into the well-protected instructor. In the end, the attitude is far more important than the specific techniques, techniques that may well be forgotten if not constantly honed. I wrote some stuff about Model Mugging a long time ago, so I won't repeat it but just post the link to the thread (that includes other self-defense information and tips:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=79623



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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 05:05 AM
Response to Reply #127
129. That's a really well balanced approach to the whole thing, and well q
well written.

As you say, the first best approach is all in the attitude. There are many battles to be won with good old fashioned bluffing. You've defined it well.. It's rare that a woman will actually ever have to go to the mat to defend herself, luckily. But it's always best to be prepared in some way or another. My motto has always been to have a back up plan; you always have alternatives, be ready to make choices and make sure you always have the advantage, by being alert and aware in every situation you're in.

One of my best first lines of defense for years was the box an uzi came it. Big fancy green and tan box with "UZI AKA 47" written on it in BIG letters. That stayed in view of visually accessible points in my various domiciles.

Another line of defense is a pair of men's shoes parked outside my front door. BIG ones. I'd move them around, keep them clean, etc.

Another one is a "beware of the dog" or "dangerous dog" sign. Big massive cow leg dog bone on the front porch doesn't hurt either.

See, here's the thing. When I was 18 I was abducted by 6 guys who decided that they should all have sex with me. It wasn't a violent thing, they were drunk, horny and thought I should do this for them. I disagreed, of course. I had to take control of the situation, and I did. I made them a wager, and I won. I had to prove to them I had my period, and I did. So my win was 5 lbs of pot... on the way to get the pot, I made them stop at the 7-11 to get me more sanitary products too. I took control of the situation, right?

When I was 21 I was stalked by a serial killer who killed I believe 5 other women. This was in chicago... he got into my apartment 2 times when I wasn't home. The first time he stole a bunch of stuff, the second time he apparently waited for me. I could SMELL him when I entered my apartment, a reak of beer and body odor... The 3rd time, I was home, and knew he was coming through some fortunate instinct. So I turned out the lights and waited for him, fully clothed. When he tried to get in the window I was terrified and ran into the hallway yelling my head off. The cops had the area staked out, and there were 2 undercover cops in my doorway inside of 5 minutes. They didn't catch him that night, but I WAS PISSED.

The 4th time he showed up, I had prepped the window so he couldn't get in, and sure enough, there he was again. This time I knew he couldn't get in though, and I said, "who's there?" And this idiot said "Julio!".. I said, "Julio, what are you doing in my window?" He said, "I'm coming to see my cousin..." and I said, "Julio your cousin doesn't live here, and if you don't get out of my window, I'm going to blow your head off with this gun I've got.." It was like a normal conversation and perhaps one of the strangest I've ever, ever had.

Julio dropped to the ground very quickly and never returned of course.

It's about not allowing yourself to become a victim and fighting with every resource you've got.
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 05:57 AM
Response to Reply #129
130. Wow
Well, I am happy that you thwarted Julio (they did catch him, later?) and that you took control of the six f***wits. I would never say I was ashamed to be male -- it's not like I had a choice, for one -- but I am certainly not too proud of being human, and the environment created through threat of some of the negative and destructive human behaviors most perpetrated by men (rape perhaps being the big one) is as big a source of collective shame as any could be. I am sorry that you had to go through any of that, no matter how you ended up prevailing.

Unfortunately, I don't think that a lot of women would have reacted as you did in either case...men, either, for that matter. I know some tough women, but what exactly 'tough' is can vary markedly from situation to situation and I am pretty sure -- though you can never really tell 'til it happens -- that at least some of these capable women would essentially have 'frozen.' And, yes, that's exactly what the attacker's anticipating, which is why fighting hard and mean right from the outset is the best way to escape....wait and not only will your resolve likely flag, but chances of him compounding your dilemma or geting you to a more private spot rise quickly. And, of course, the trouble these days is that so many baddies are prepared to kill even when their crime-in-progress is theft or the like: murder used to be a huge deal and now it's all too common in association with far less major crimes.

My brother and his best friend, a small and retiring type (my brother's almost as large as me and not incapable of taking care of himself), were accosted by a knife-wielding attacker one time, years ago: the meek little dude (he must be barely 5' or 5'2", I'm guessing) literally leaped on the attacker, totally ignoring the knife (no, not a good thing, but he so surprised the bad guy that he got away with it) and thrust his fingers into the dude's eyes before taking him down to the ground, where he kneed him and kicked his fallen body while screaming at him. He was, he later told me, overcome by rage and had no idea exactly what he was doing. He was just furious, and basically wanted to kill. I'm guessing he had a fair bit of frustration to vent, and this poor f***er pulled a knife on the wrong short person. My brother, in the meantime, could do nothing but stand there, just amazed at the spirit of Bruce Lee entering his slight friend's body...he was ready to surrender in the face of superior weaponry (this is very much a good idea, when the bad guy has a knife and you have nothing, but nobody counted on the little guy becoming the Incredible Hulk). I think that if you are not consciously prepared to shove your fingers into someone's eye sockets -- well beyond the Three Stooges stage -- in defense of your life or someone else's, then you'd better not be counting on confronting the bad guys when there's a choice to not do so. The reality is that I think most of us are capable of killing without too much compunction, given circumstances dire enough, but that very few of us -- trained or untrained in martial arts -- would actually ever be able to do something as icky as a fully-committed finger jab to the eyes (not that you have to do much more than a little hard-and-fast bump to produce agony there...going in deep and scooping out the eyeball is just showing off). We have too much empathy, sometimes, for our own good.

When I was attacked for real, finally, my first two counters (stop-hit type, actually...I intercepted his attack with mine) were an attack at his bladder -- I reacted essentially automatically, but behind it was knowledge that this was a good, open target AND that I might just make the bastard wet himself and quit in shame -- and an upward kick to the groin intended to make his gonads one with his hypothalamus...luckily, in the heat of action my primary empathy was with myself and I was keenly aware that if I didn't take this SOB down he was really, really going to hurt me. I don't know where his gonadal unit was that night -- his consciousness was somewhat altered, so maybe he just didn't feel it, or perhaps his lack of gonads was responsible for his psychological problems -- but I ended up taking him down with punches, mostly to the head...and, yes, smashing my fist into his face again and again was, even at the time, NOT a pleasant feeling (or sound), but I knew that I'd passed the point of no return: show him any mercy now and he'd be on me (he was trying, but none of his punches connected with my vital centerline) and I'd be missing at least a tooth or two, if not significantly more. It was over in a few seconds, though it felt much longer and things really did seem to happen in slow motion -- even in the almost total darkness, with a terribly confined arena and extremey uneven ground, it was like his punches were coming in slow motion and I was really heartened not only that my responses (all attack, my attack providing some simultaneous defense) were almost automatic. I stopped when I had him well and truly down and out, but the reptilian portion of me undoubtedly wanted him dead (for a variety of reasons). He had, after all, threatened my life more than once and he would later come after me again, this time with a very large blade. We need to be able to call on our internal reptiles, the Lizard King, but not let them take over or we'll be (almost) as bad as the bad guys.

The reality is that, as trained as I have been, I cannot guarantee that I won't freeze -- even if only for a critical half-second -- or fail to commit 100% to a fiercely offensive defence, if I am attacked again. None of us know for sure, not even some of the really good fighters in competition. But taking martial arts courses sure ups the likelihood of overcoming the inhibition to hit and to hurt.

I really like the men's-shoes-by-the-door thing. :D
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 11:36 PM
Response to Reply #130
139. Okay, you both convinced me.


I need to take some serious kick-ass self defense courses. Not just the single shot, two hour weekend class.

And get a big pair of men's shoes.

And an Uzi box.


Or maybe I could just have you guys move in with me. :7


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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 06:50 AM
Response to Reply #139
163. I like the last option
And I've got big feet.


I mean that, of course, solely in reference to the shoe-ruse thing.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 11:38 PM
Response to Reply #129
140. Holy sh!t! I'm sorry you had to go through all that!


Wow. But I'm really glad you came out on top!

Thanks for all the good suggestions...


:hi:


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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:16 PM
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27. Print up a sign
and put it in the window:

You have now been photogrpahed and videotaped. Thanks for stopping by!

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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:18 PM
Response to Reply #27
57. LOL.


That's funny, and damn... it just might work!

Thanks for the suggestion!


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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 01:14 AM
Response to Reply #27
122. Better wording for the sign: HEY PERVERT, YOU'RE BEING VIDEOTAPED AND
I'M SENDING THIS TAPE TO THE (insert local teevee station news desk here) WHERE YOUR MOM AND DAD CAN SEE IT.

Humiliation is good, clean fun!

Really, you HAVE to fuck with this freak!
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 11:40 PM
Response to Reply #122
142. LOL!


:rofl:


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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:19 PM
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29. Do you have a neighborhood watch?
I think the police can help you set one up.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #29
63. Thanks for the suggestion.


We do have a neighborhood watch thing. Sort of loosely organized and headed up by our own city Crime Prevention Officer. Who lives on my block and whose family has been victims themselves. He parks his big McGruff van in the street. Which obviously has been no deterrent.

:eyes:


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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:25 PM
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31. Is there a lock on your gate?
Edited on Tue Dec-27-05 09:26 PM by rateyes
Make him at least climb the damned fence. I also like the idea of getting it on video. Shouldn't be that expensive or complicated. I am USUALLY a pacifist, but I will say that if I ever caught such an individual doing that at my house, especially with my wife and kids in the house, I would have NO QUALMS about taking a baseball bat to his head.

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cssmall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:15 PM
Response to Reply #31
55. Believe it or not, there was a guy in North Arkansas several years back
that had this situation occur. His wife was being spied on every night. At first, it was looking at her with clothes, then he found ways to see her naked, at which point he began doing unmentionables to himself. Finally, he decided to break in.

The woman's husband was a pacifist, but was also trained in two forms of martial arts and always kept a boken (a wooden katana) next to his bed. Afriad for his life, the husband rushed to a hiding spot and, according to reports, saw the man. At some point, he swung the boken and nearly removed the gentleman's head. From what I hear, he's never been the same. So I would advocate, in any situation, to not attempt to take this into your own hands. Though, I do understand the sailent points here.

My brother installed a video system for one hundred bucks. Get some electrical tape and cover the red light to hide it. Thereby attempting to catch him. He's obviously from your neighborhood as you said, so do be careful with him. Because I promise you that during the day when you might be jogging, checking the mail, grabbing your paper and whatnot, he is still watching, though it's probably not as noticible.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #55
66. I think I will go the camera route.


I would like to see him get caught. The bastid.


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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 12:45 AM
Response to Reply #55
119. That husband should get over it.
What would he prefer, that the man raped his wife, or killed her?
But I am against getting a gun, because some innocent person could easily get hurt. Seriously, the dog is the best idea.
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cssmall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 02:12 AM
Response to Reply #119
123. I understand that.
But, still it is the taking of a human life. If there is one thing martial arts teaches you (which I have participated in), it is to respect human life, no matter the path another takes.

How can one reconcile with killing someone? There is something off with that. I understand the ramifications if the actions had not been taken, but in the end, a human life was ended.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 02:17 AM
Response to Reply #123
125. The human was a creep, though.
The husband should get some therapy and get over it, hopefully.
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cssmall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 02:48 AM
Response to Reply #125
128. Be that as it may.
Do you believe that people redeem themselves? If you were for Tookie Williams, then why should this person have not served his time?

I honestly believe that the only people that justify murder are serial killers (they are murdering for a reason) and people in positions of power. He will or perhaps has learned to live with the events that occured; however, he will never get over it. Not even through therapy. I honestly do not believe that.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:25 AM
Response to Reply #128
156. Well, I am not a pacifist. And I certainly think it's completely
Edited on Fri Dec-30-05 12:29 AM by lizzy
acceptable to kill in self-defense or defense of others. And if you can't stand the fact that you kill someone, then you might as well not defend yourself or anyone else.
I mean, what would the guy do differently-have the attacker rape his wife?
He did what he have to do, and torturing himself afterwords is not going to do anyone any good.
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cssmall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 02:13 AM
Response to Reply #156
158. How about use his training in a nonlethal manner?
I think the point was lost somewhere, because I do not believe that he feels that he committed a wrong by saving his loved one, rather that he could have used his training to not kill the man.

On that end, I am a pacifist; however, I will protect my family from violence, albeit in a nonlethal manner.
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 07:10 AM
Response to Reply #158
164. The line between lethal and nonlethal can vary widely in its placement
Outside of using techniques that are more likely to result in lethal effect, it's to a significant extent unpredictable whether a strike will incapacitate, maim, or kill. On average, a given angel, target, and power of a strike might just temporarily hurt your assailant, but the same strike could kill one time out of twenty. A blow to the head, for instance, may not even daze one person but may kill another, even one who had no idea that he was the possessor of a blood vessel ready to go at the first onset of trauma. A few millimeters can also make the difference between life and death.

In self-defense, worry first about taking the immediate threat out and then if you killed the sumbitch. There are plenty of techniques that inherently up your chance of the latter -- I haven't done it, but I know enough about martial arts and about human anatomy to know that killing a person with your bare hands is not necessarily the exclusive province of the physically strong or the extremely skilled -- but even a non-esoteric straight punch to the head or body or a kick to the groin can kill...but if you don't do it, or you hold back for fear of excessive force and legal troubles, you're the one (or the person you're protecting is the one) who's going to be hurt or dead.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #31
65. No lock, just a catch.


That is a good idea, though.


Thank you.


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caty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:26 PM
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32. I planted some
Edited on Tue Dec-27-05 09:26 PM by caty
thorn bushes under some of my windows because of a "peeping tom". Worked.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #32
93.  : )


I'm glad you got the creep!


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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:28 PM
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33. Please call the police
Do it while the tracks in the snow are still visible.

I'd also put up a camera, if you can afford it. If you catch him, you can always tack on the cost of the camera to a civil suit against him, in addition to the criminal.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #33
68. Good point about the civil suit, thanks.


Sure sounds like invasion of privacy and trespass to me.


:thumbsup:


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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:31 PM
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34. can they dust for prints? maybe he put his hands on the side of the house
Or on the window or something like that?
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:40 PM
Response to Reply #34
69. I asked, too.


The cop said he didn't think there were any surfaces where he could get prints (the house is brick, the fence is wood). Thanks for thinking of it, though.

:hi:


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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:32 PM
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37. That sucks...
Edited on Tue Dec-27-05 09:34 PM by gmoney
I was going to be one of the dozen or so people recommending motion sensitive lights. Maybe tripwires? Watch "Home Alone" for some ideas.

BTW, I do have an alibi. Plus, I'm content to wait for the sculpture. :hug:
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #37
71. Hmm. A little too quick with an alibi, I'd say.


What brand of cigarettes do you smoke?

;)


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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:08 AM
Response to Reply #71
97. Tiparillos...
...but only after sex.
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texanwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:38 PM
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40. A friend of mine put out a few big rat traps, took care of her problems.
Can you lock your gate?
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:49 PM
Response to Reply #40
44. Too bad spring guns are illegal...
Ka-poweeeeeee

I'm sorry, sir, were you intending to use those gonads?

:rofl:
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #40
72. I like the rat/bear trap ideas myself.


Then again, I'm evil that way. The lock is also a good idea.

Thank you.

:hi:


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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:47 PM
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43. Yowza!
I've probably watched waaaaay too much CrimeTV, but be careful, y'all!

I'll kick his keister! :kick:

:mad:
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:51 PM
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73. Dude. I should just invite you


...and some other DU guys to camp out in the back yard until the moran is foolish enough to venture back again, eh?


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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #73
76. Got that right!
It'd be like an episode of Batman back there....

Ka-powee!

Shla-boopiee!

Kla-moks-ka-kowee!


Well, alright. I made that last one up.

:evilgrin:
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:53 PM
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46. DA, send me a PM as a reminder, and I'll tell you where you can
get a 0-lux (night vision) video camera for about 300 bucks...I don't have the catalog right at hand now but will find it for you tomorrow.

That creep needs to be put away. What, he never heard of binoculars? (That's a joke.)

And don't forget my prior suggestion of an electric fence; up close to your house, it would be pretty much invisible.

Redstone
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 11:08 PM
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77. Thanks Redstone. I will PM you.


:hug:


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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 06:17 AM
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132. Here's the url to the camera system I was talking about.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 11:46 PM
Response to Reply #132
144. Thank you!


I've got it bookmarked and will take a closer look tonight!


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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 11:25 PM
Response to Reply #46
80. It's funny to think of him frying his willy on the electric fence
Especially if it was right up next to the house...

:rofl:
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:00 PM
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48. DA, what are your views on gun control?
I'd suggest getting a shotgun. Don't take chances with anyone like this.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:06 PM
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51. Or a big scary dog. In fact, a big scary dog would be safer than
a shotgun.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 11:23 PM
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79. My "big scary dog" died last spring.


Okay, he wasn't big and he wasn't scary. But I felt much safer having him around, even if just to bark at an odd noise at night. I'm sure Peeper knew when I had a dog too, with dog toys in the back yard and maybe he even saw the dog outside with me when I was mowing the lawn or whatever.

Unfortunately my heart is still broken from losing my boy last spring, and I don't feel emotionally ready for another dog yet... but your idea is very good and I will get another dog eventually.

Thank you for your suggestion.

:hug:




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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 11:16 PM
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78. Another friend also suggested a shotgun.


He said I wouldn't have to shoot it, all it takes is for the person coming in my direction to hear the chck-chck of it being cocked. (Cocked? Whatever you call it.)

I'm not fond of guns. I don't have one, nor does anyone in my family.

I DO have a very realistic looking fake handgun gun that I keep in my nightstand, though. :eyes:


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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 02:19 AM
Response to Reply #48
126. If she gets a shotgun, chances are, she will shoot a little
old grandma that decided to bring her some cookies, and not the peeper.
I can't believe how paranoid people can get. And then when grandma comes over with the cookies-BOOM!
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:02 PM
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49. PLEASE CALL THE POLICE!
HE IS AN ASSHOLE! DO NOT MESS AROUND WITH THIS!

:(
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 11:25 PM
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81. Yep. Way ahead of you on this one. : )


Been working with the police on this since day one. They can't seem to catch him. But I'm not going to let that stop ME from trying!

Thank you for your concern.


:hug:

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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 11:30 PM
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82. SHOO! Hope you all find this asshole!
:( But I am glad the police know... It is all you can do, I hope that
the police do their job. :hug:

More unsolicited advice: DO NOT get a gun. This will only make things
more dangerous (shoot the wrong person, etc.) Sorry, as a mentally ill
person, I have always hated guns. :hug:
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:05 PM
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50. Yikes! How creepy!
:hug:
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:22 PM
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61. Bozo. Hope he got frostbite.
You need to install a ForrestGump. :grr:

Cameras are a great idea and, yes, they're smaller and more reliable than they used to be. It's a pity you don't really live in cactus country, because a good cactus beneath his favorite window would be a help.

Makes me so mad. I hope he blows it, and soon, once and for all. SOB.

Bear traps. Now we're talking. Big ones.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 11:33 PM
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83. Like I told dpbrown upthread,


I should just have him and you and maybe a few other DU guys camp out in the back yard until the SOB decides it's time to pay me another visit.

I'd like to see that.


:evilgrin:


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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 11:36 PM
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85. Me, too
I've already got a serious antipathy toward this soiopath...

I'd love to do the drumstick twist-off to his femur-acetabulum articulation.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 06:23 AM
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133. If I lived anywhere near you, I'd be up for that.
Of course, you'd need to provide me with a steady stream of cigarettes and whiskey for the stakeout. ;)
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 11:57 PM
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145. Dude.

I'm thinking that getting you drunk in my back yard to protect me from men with prurient interests may be counterproductive just a little.









Or, wait. Was that the plan?

;)



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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 03:57 AM
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161. Yes, that is the plan.
:evilgrin:
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:57 PM
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75. I was a former 911 operator in a large city
I would tell you first thing first, you must have a dog. I don't care what size it is but get one.
Web cam is wonderful BUT I thought of taping a toy pistol so the butt appears out to the window.
If the bastard jumps he is more likely to make noise and you are more likely to be able to get a description of this asshole.

he lives in your neighborhood. Careful my Du'er.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 11:39 PM
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87. I think you are right.


I think he does live in the neighborhood and so always has a "reason" to be in the area. I think that's why the police haven't been able to pin anything on him yet.

Maybe it's time to get another dog. Or borrow my Mom's dog until I get a dog of my own. Mom's dog is a good girl and VERY protective of family.

Not sure what you meant by: "taping a toy pistol so the butt appears out to the window." ?

Thanks for all your help!


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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:07 AM
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96. have the muzzle of the gun
pointed out the window. So when the asshole looks in he thinks someone spotted him. Scare him bad. He deserves it.
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:13 AM
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99. The only problem with that kind of thing, at least what jumps right out
Edited on Wed Dec-28-05 12:14 AM by ForrestGump
at me, is that bringing guns into the equation doesn't feel like a great idea. Fake guns most of all, because you never know who is out there, and what might throw a switch that changes his behaviorr to one more directly harmful. To me, you shouldn't brandish a gun if you're not prepared to use it right then -- I think that's why an unloaded gun or a fake one is more risky than a real, loaded gun -- and anything short of that has too much potential for backfiring (so to speak).

I woudn't do the toy-gun-in-the-window thing just because it's the sort of practical joke that might well do anything but make its victim laugh. We just don't know what sort of froot-loop this f***wit is.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:15 AM
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102. Ahh. Gotcha.


Thanks for the clarification.

:hi:

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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 11:34 PM
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84. Google hasn't given me much in the way of reviews yet, but
the Swann camera systems certainly sound good, on paper, with cameras that can work under extremely low light with IR for total darkness. And not too expensive, from what I've seen. Might be worth looking at...

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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 11:46 PM
Response to Reply #84
89. Thanks for the info!


Wouldn't it be ironic if the Swann camera system was the cause of his peeping tom swan song?

Between you and Redstone working out the camera angles, I think the bugger no longer stands a chance.

Yessssss! Let's nail his ass!





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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #89
90. It'd be maybe more appropriate if it was a Swine camera system but, yeah,
I like your irony. :hug:


Leave her alone!!!



Leave everyone alone, you deviant.

(clarification: not you, Ms Amused, 'cos you're only deviant in good ways)
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 11:39 PM
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88. Definitely more lights, and an alarm system if you can afford it
I'd be careful about traps or other perils. Check with local laws, but even if the guy is trespassing and intends to cause you harm, you might be held liable for any harm that befalls him on your property while he's slinking around. It would suck for you to get sued because this jagoff got hurt just because you were trying to protect yourself.
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:02 AM
Response to Reply #88
94. Yeah, especially because he'd claim to be engaged in innocent
business. Even if not, there've been some weird legal decisions regarding this sort of thing.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:12 AM
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98. Right?


I remember reading about a burglar who got himself locked in the garage of a home he just finished burgling while the family was on vacation. He lived off of soda and beer and whatever else the family kept in the garage, until they came back home a few days later. The he sued them for the distress he suffered while trapped in their garage... and won!

So... thanks for being the voice of reason re: the bear traps. I can get a little carried away at times like this.

:hi:

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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 02:15 AM
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124. That only proves that our society is completely nuts.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #98
173. That sounds like an urban legend
I can't believe a jury would ever rule for him.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 11:58 PM
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92. Get a facsimile security camera. AND post a sign.
That will keep him out.

My suggestion is to avoid confrontation with him. If he is arrested, it could get uglier. Just keep him from entering by making the posted sign of a security cam, and one or two "cams" screwed on to the house.

Damn, this is something I've never had to think about. I have always lived in the middle of nowhere. Who's going to walk up a 5/8 mile driveway 20 miles out of town?

Gosh, I sympathize with you and hope that you can find a way to deter him.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:18 AM
Response to Reply #92
103. Yeah, I don't really want to confront him myself.


You're right about that.

Fake cameras or real ones. Hmmm. I think it's coming down to that. I'll have to see what my budget allows.


Thanks for your help!


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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 02:56 AM
Response to Reply #92
160. AND lock the gate.
All of those things are very, very effective.
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SofaKingLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:07 AM
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95. A couple suggestions

The simplest pit type was a hole about 20 to 30cm deep. The floor of this trap was then set with punji stakes which could easily pierce the canvas and leather jungle boot. For added misery the spikes could be smeared with poison or human excrement to induce blood poisoning or worse. There were many variations which allowed the spikes to attack the sides of the leg. This was particularly favored after the introduction of the reinforced soled jungle boot.




Side closing traps were also to be found. These ranged from the same size as the punji pit up to man-sized traps. These were more sophisticated versions of the punji pit and were likewise smeared with excrement or poison.



http://www.gruntonline.com/NVAandVC/boobytraps1.htm

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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:23 AM
Response to Reply #95
104. LOL!


:rofl:


Dude, you just made me laugh out loud in a very humorless situation.

Rock on! :headbang:


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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:15 AM
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100. How do you feel about dogs?
Edited on Wed Dec-28-05 12:15 AM by LeftyMom
If you don't like them don't get one, but if you do, now would be an ideal time to bring a large, intimidating and territorial companion into your home.

PS If you can't lock the gate, putting a bell or something on it might not be a bad idea.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:30 AM
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105. I love dogs!


My sweet doggie boy died last spring. He was neither large nor intimidating, but I felt much safer with him around at least to bark if he heard someone at the door. I'm not over his loss yet enough to get another dog, but I will in time. In the meantime, I like your suggestion and I might borrow my Mom's dog. She (the dog, not my Mom) is quite intimidating and VERY protective of immediate family members. Well okay, I guess my Mom can be, too. Moreso the latter. :)

Thanks!





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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:44 AM
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108. Is he going to be there tonight?
Let's jump him!

:evilgrin:
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:14 AM
Response to Reply #108
112. I would love to see it go down just that way.


Thanks for getting my back! :7


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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 11:41 PM
Response to Reply #112
143. I gotcha covered, DA!




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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #143
146. Love it!


Do you... um... have any, uh... handcuffs with that outfit?




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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 09:49 AM
Response to Reply #146
170. As a matter of fact...



I do believe they're just your...um, I mean...the right size...yeah, that's the ticket...
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #170
172. See, now THAT'S the kind of pervert I respect...


No need to hide in the bushes all voyeuristic-like and fantasize about it...

Be honest, be bold... step right up, pink fuzzy handcuffs in hand, and TELL me what's on your mind!

:thumbsup:


Now we're talkin! I'll bring the whipped cream and the feathers... :7


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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 09:24 PM
Response to Reply #172
183. From you, DA, I have nothing to hide...






:evilgrin:



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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:36 AM
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115. You mean a peeping tom?
Ah, but the dilemma I face here about the thought of a peeping tom. On the one hand, it totally creeps me out. On the other hand I know there isn't much I can do. If only I could put a tip jar under every one of my windows and actually get tips for my "performance." Now that would be a compromise I would consider. :evilgrin:
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 12:22 AM
Response to Reply #115
117. Yep, a peeping Tom.


A tip jar is a good idea, though. Never thought of that.

Shoot... maybe he'll bring his friends, and then I can really pull in some cashola!


:rofl:


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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 06:56 AM
Response to Reply #117
134. It would be great if we could make some spending cash that
way and have our safety. That way no one gets hurt and we can go shopping the next day. :D
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 07:02 AM
Response to Reply #134
135. Would you accept credit cards?
I mean, just hypothetically speaking, of course... :P
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:03 AM
Response to Reply #135
147. I'm sure we can work out


...a mutually beneficial arrangement.


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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 06:47 AM
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162. Installments?
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #162
174. Okay, but...



I'm going to screw you with interest.
















:evilgrin:


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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #174
182. No?
:rofl:


:cry:

But I'd do my best to gain your interest. Compounded.

Adjusted for inflation at a high percentage...
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:57 AM
Response to Reply #135
171. I don't have one of those swipey machines like in the grocery
stores. I guess you could start a paypal account for me or something. I'll be awaiting your charitable donation to me. :P
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 12:23 AM
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118. Rent a security camera. They're cheap. n/t
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:08 AM
Response to Reply #118
149. Good idea.


I hadn't thought of that. But I'd rather save some money by renting than buying, if I can.

Thanks for the suggestion!

:hi:


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In_The_Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 05:59 AM
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131. Do you work late very often?
Do you drive to work?
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:22 AM
Response to Reply #131
154. I do work late, often.


I do drive but take various routes, and meet clients in different locations.

Whatcha thinkin there gf?


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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 07:43 AM
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136. Try this one. I did this for a friend and it worked.
If there is a local neighborhood hardware store near you ask them about an electric fence. If you batt your eyes and explain why you need it, I would bet they will set you up with one, show you how to install it, maybe come over and do it for you. Stretch some wires around your windows and turn it on. 50,000 volts will get his attention. Don't get one of those for the dogs, you need the one they use for cattle.

It won't kill, but you will hear the scream.

Then call the cops.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:20 AM
Response to Reply #136
152. Hmm. Would it work through winter clothes?


Then again if it does, what if it gives him a heart attack and kills or injures him? It will solve the original problem, but can he or his family sue me then?


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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 07:15 AM
Response to Reply #152
165. Could they sue you if he dies as a result of trespassing INSIDE your
property? I would guess that they could (well, this is the US; anyone can sue for anything, I guess) if they maintained that he was there for an innocent purpose. I don't know how judges decide this stuff: it'd be instructive to look at cases in which, for example, people jumped a fence to retrieve a ball and broke their leg on a sprinkller, stepped on a landmine, etc.

That's one reason it'd be good to have a camera -- to document that he was NOT there for innocent purpose. At that point, too, a DNA test on the physical evidence let before would probbaly be called for.
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 07:17 AM
Response to Reply #152
166. All it would require is a little moisture in his gloves.
Electricity is funny like that.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 02:55 PM
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137. You have a no trespassing sign, right?
I know that sounds stupid, because it won't deter him, but if I remember right, in some places having the sign actually posted is helpful in prosecuting.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:15 AM
Response to Reply #137
151. Uh... no...


It doesn't sound stupid, it sounds... obvious. I should have thought of it by now. :eyes:


Thank you for the suggestion. :)


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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 03:50 PM
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138. I've been thinking
and have come up with an idea for you. Modify a motion sensor to start a tape recorder with a loop tape of the baddest dog you can find barking. All the advantages without having to put yourself in the place of not really bonding with a new dog. And you can get the sound of one that would make the hound of the Baskervilles sound like a kitten.

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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:12 AM
Response to Reply #138
150. You know, I saw something like this advertised a long time ago


...and they have infrared light or something so you can put them behind your front door, but obviously it would work for a window, too. Thank you for reminding me of that. I will definitely look into it!

:thumbsup:


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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 11:39 PM
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141. Yikes!! Good luck, D.A. And - I don't suppose THIS is The Peeper...
...is it?

The Peeper



(I don't mean to be flip - I thought of this cat as soon as I saw your thread. Honestly, I wish you total safety and being rid of the creep. Best of luck.)
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:06 AM
Response to Reply #141
148. Hey, I got kitties. And that was really cute. Thanks!
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:22 AM
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153. Cats are pretty much useless against peepers.
They won't defend the owners.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:24 AM
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155. That, and they can be bribed with tuna.


NO loyalty whatsoever. Pathetic.



Cute, but pathetic.


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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:28 AM
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157. They also hide.
Not a very useful animal in case of an owner being attacked.
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uncle ray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 02:54 AM
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159. as has been said many times over now, cameras...
you will be amazed at what the software combined with a few digital cameras can do! they have electronic filters and such that allow you to only moniter part of the cameras view area, so for example if you have a tree branch that squirrels like to run on, you can ignore that part of the cameras frame, yet monitor the area where your peeper is likely to be. also, you can select how you want to be notified, via email, a popup on your computer screen, a phone call to you, whatever, all through fairly inexpensive computer software. the technology available will make it a fun little project to catch the peeper in the act.

i would suggest a camera or two as close as possilbe to whatever dark area he likes, the cameras work in the dark, but hide the camera so it's not visible during daytime.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 02:12 PM
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177. Thank you Uncle Ray.


It sounds like you may be familiar with this type of software. Do you have any resources you would recommend? BTW, I'm a Mac person.


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purr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 08:16 AM
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167. How about a camera?
I'd put a small camera up where he cant see it and record. Catch the guy on cam and you might even know who he is. :scared: This is the reason why I keep all my blinds closed especialy at night.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 02:15 PM
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178. I think you are right, and the camera route is the way to go.



Thank you for the suggestion. :)

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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 08:24 AM
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168. Time to plant a cactus garden under that window
And plant plenty of jumping cholla



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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 02:18 PM
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179. If I lived in an area where cactus would grow


...and I wish I did - I would definitely plant them there. I have several cactus inside the house...

Thank you for the suggestion though.


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kick-ass-bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 09:10 AM
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169. I have no idea if this would be a good idea or not
but you could put a sign in the window saying "I see you, now get the hell away from here"

I'm not sure if that would deter this guy, or just make it worse.

Or better yet, figure out how to set up a motion detector connected to audio, saying "get away from that window!"
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:34 PM
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175. Thank you.


The sign ideas are fun and perhaps the best cheap, low-tech ideas so far.


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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 01:29 PM
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176. Know somebody with a big dog you could borrow for awhile?
Doesn't have to be a mean one, just big and mean looking. Keep the pup around for a few weeks and I doubt that you'll have peeper problems again.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 02:21 PM
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180. I might borrow my Mom's dog.



Not big or mean, but VERY protective and barks at anyone near the door.

Thank you. :)


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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 02:34 PM
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181. Great! Also consider arming yourself
Not neccessarily a gun, but something along the lines of baseball bat, or other club like device. If you decide to get a gun, I reccomend a twelve guage shotgun, either pump or double barrel. It is great self defense gun, especially if you haven't fired a gun much, basically just point and pull the trigger.

Don't be lulled into thinking that this freak will stop with just peeping. He might, but then again he could just be escalating up the ladder, or working up the nerve to do worse.
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