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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 04:07 PM
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Name a movie with a liberal message that you'd like others to see
Contrary to the mouth-breathing right, not all movies are liberal, Most are brainless action films with no political message, and some are pro-consumerism and pro-corporation. Many are sexist and racist.

But you knew that. Let's compile a list of the truly liberal movies. My contribution is Norma Rae.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 04:08 PM
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1. Grapes of Wraith.....
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 04:10 PM
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2. Yes, the ulimate
pro-worker, liberal film. And the novel's not bad either, ha ha.:)
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 04:10 PM
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3. Erin Brockovich
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 04:11 PM
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4. On the Waterfront
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 04:11 PM
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5. F9/11
Not sure if thats what you mean thou. Should be an obvious pick.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 04:13 PM
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9. I was waiting for someone to say that!
It's obvious for a reason, my friend. Good pick.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 04:11 PM
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6. To Kill A Mockingbird
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southlandshari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 10:17 AM
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88. Great movie
made from the best book I've ever read!

:D
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 04:12 PM
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7. Roger and Me
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 04:13 PM
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8. Inherit the Wind
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 04:51 PM
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22. More timely than ever, isn't it?
The Hornbeck character is based on H.L. Mencken...some of his great reportage from the Scopes trial is also worth reading....

"This year it is a misdemeanor for a country school teacher to flout the archaic nonsense of Genesis. Next year it will be a felony. The year after the net will be spread wider. Pedagogues, after all, are small game; there are larger birds to snare -- larger and juicier. Bryan has his fishy eye on them. He will fetch them if his mind lasts, and the lamp holds out to burn. No man with a mouth like that ever lets go. Nor ever lacks followers.
Tennessee is bearing the brunt of the first attack simply because the civilized minority, down here, is extraordinarily pusillanimous.
I have met no educated man who is not ashamed of the ridicule that has fallen upon the State, and I have met none, save only judge Neal, who had the courage to speak out while it was yet time. No Tennessee counsel of any importance came into the case until yesterday and then they came in stepping very softly as if taking a brief for sense were a dangerous matter. When Bryan did his first rampaging here all these men were silent.
They had known for years what was going on in the hills. They knew what the country preachers were preaching -- what degraded nonsense was being rammed and hammered into yokel skulls. But they were afraid to go out against the imposture while it was in the making, and when any outsider denounced it they fell upon him violently as an enemy of Tennessee.
Now Tennessee is paying for that poltroonery. The State is smiling and beautiful, and of late it has begun to be rich. I know of no American city that is set in more lovely scenery than Chattanooga, or that has more charming homes. The civilized minority is as large here, I believe, as anywhere else.
It has made a city of splendid material comforts and kept it in order. But it has neglected in the past the unpleasant business of following what was going on in the cross roads Little Bethels.
The Baptist preachers ranted unchallenged.
Their buffooneries were mistaken for humor. Now the clowns turn out to be armed, and have begun to shoot.
In his argument yesterday judge Neal had to admit pathetically that it was hopeless to fight for a repeal of the anti-evolution law. The Legislature of Tennessee, like the Legislature of every other American state, is made up of cheap job-seekers and ignoramuses. "

http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/menck03.htm#SCOPES6

"It was plain to everyone, when Bryan came to Dayton, that his great days were behind him -- that he was now definitely an old man, and headed at last for silence. There was a vague, unpleasant manginess about his appearance; he somehow seemed dirty, though a close glance showed him carefully shaved, and clad in immaculate linen. All the hair was gone from the dome of his head, and it had begun to fall out, too, behind his ears, like that of the late Samuel Gompers. The old resonance had departed from his voice: what was once a bugle blast had become reedy and quavering. ...
...The next day the battle joined and his face became hard. By the end of the first week he was simply a walking malignancy. Hour by hour he grew more bitter. What the Christian Scientists call malicious animal magnetism seemed to radiate from him like heat from a stove. From my place in the court-room, standing upon a table, I looked directly down upon him, sweating horribly and pumping his palm-leaf fan. His eyes fascinated me: I watched them all day long. They were blazing points of hatred. They glittered like occult and sinister gems. Now and then they wandered to me, and I got my share. It was like coming under fire.
What was behind that consuming hatred? At first I thought that it was mere evangelical passion. Evangelical Christianity, as everyone knows, is founded upon hate, as the Christianity of Christ was founded upon love. But even evangelical Christians occasionally loose their belts and belch amicably; I have known some who, off duty, were very benignant. In that very courtroom, indeed, were some of them -- for example, old Ben McKenzie, Nestor of the Dayton bar, who sat beside Bryan. Ben was full of good humor. He made jokes with Darrow. But Bryan only glared.
One day it dawned on me that Bryan, after all, was an evangelical Christian only by sort of afterthought -- that his career in this world, and the glories thereof, had actually come to an end before he ever began whooping for Genesis. So I came to this conclusion: that what really moved him was a lust for revenge. The men of the cities had destroyed him and made a mock of him; now he would lead the yokels against them. Various facts clicked into the theory, and I hold it still. The hatred in the old man's burning eyes was not for the enemies of God; it was for the enemies of Bryan.
Thus he fought his last fight, eager only for blood. It quickly became frenzied and preposterous, and after that pathetic. All sense departed from him. He bit right and left, like a dog with rabies. He descended to demagogy so dreadful that his very associates blushed. His one yearning was to keep his yokels heated up -- to lead his forlorn mob against the foe. That foe, alas, refused to be alarmed. It insisted upon seeing the battle as a comedy. Even Darrow, who knew better, occasionally yielded to the prevailing spirit. Finally, he lured poor Bryan into a folly almost incredible.
I allude to his astounding argument against the notion that man is a mammal. I am glad I heard it, for otherwise I'd never believe it. There stood the man who had been thrice a candidate for the Presidency of the Republic -- and once, I believe, elected -- there he stood in the glare of the world, uttering stuff that a boy of eight would laugh at! The artful Darrow led him on: he repeated it, ranted for it, bellowed it in his cracked voice. A tragedy, indeed! He came into life a hero, a Galahad, in bright and shining armor. Now he was passing out a pathetic fool. "

http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/menck05.htm#SCOPESC

"That the rising town of Dayton, when it put the infidel Scopes on trial, bit off far more than it has been able to chew -- this melancholy fact must now be evident to everyone....when the main guard of Eastern and Northern journalists swarmed down, and their dispatches began to show the country and the world exactly how the obscene buffoonery appeared to realistic city men, then the yokels began to sweat coldly, and in a few days they were full of terror and indignation. Some of the bolder spirits, indeed, talked gaudily of direct action against the authors of the "libels." But the history of the Ku Klux and the American Legion offers overwhelmingly evidence that 100 per cent Americans never fight when the enemy is in strength, and able to make a defense, so the visitors suffered nothing worse than black, black looks. When the last of them departs Daytonians will disinfect the town with sulphur candles, and the local pastors will exorcise the devils that they left behind them. "

http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/menck04.htm#SCOPESB

"Two things ought to be understood clearly by heathen Northerners who follow the great cause of the State of Tennessee against the infidel Scopes. One is that the old mountebank, Bryan, is no longer thought of as a mere politician and jobseeker in these Godly regions, but has become converted into a great sacerdotal figure, half man and half archangel -- in brief, a sort of fundamentalist pope. The other is that the fundamentalist mind, running in a single rut for fifty years, is now quite unable to comprehend dissent from its basic superstitions, or to grant any common honesty, or even any decency, to those who reject them. "

http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/menck03.htm#SCOPES7


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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 07:07 PM
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39. True. Nice post.
I always thought of "Inherit the Wind" as a historical comedy.

Never did I think we would relive this kind of nonsense in this country.

It is unbelievable.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:04 PM
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47. Thanks. It is appalling that we have to relive Snopes (n/t)
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:09 PM
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51. Same here. We are reliving it and it seems so old, so antique,
so strange.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 04:14 PM
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10. Guess Who's Coming to Dinner
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 04:15 PM
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12. That was great
I'd forgotten about that one. Really progressive for it's time.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 04:17 PM
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14. Oh !!!! In the Heat of the Night
Edited on Fri Nov-25-05 04:17 PM by barb162
same era, thanks for reminding me
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 05:28 PM
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30. One of my all time favorite films ever!
Good choice! :)
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 03:58 PM
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105. One of my all time favorites
More contemporary is American President with Micheal Douglas.......His soliloguy at the end was perfect
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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 04:14 PM
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11. The Majestic
:)
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 04:15 PM
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13. Dances With Wolves
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 04:23 PM
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15. Bulworth
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 10:35 AM
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92. One of my favorite scenes from Bullworth is the speech he
gives for the film industry. OMG :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 04:25 PM
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16. Philadelphia
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Call Me Wesley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 04:26 PM
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17. JFK.
And one other: Dr. Strangelove.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 04:26 PM
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18. "Bob Roberts"
"To Kill A Mockingbird"
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 04:05 PM
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106. Chalk another one up for Bob Roberts.
But, alas, they all see the foot moving and they don't mind.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 04:29 PM
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19. The Birdcage
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 04:36 PM
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20. Two Guys from Milwaukee
TCM plays it from time to time....
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 04:37 PM
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21. Logans Run
Edited on Fri Nov-25-05 04:40 PM by Lochloosa
showing my age
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 05:02 PM
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23. Three Kings
A film, like http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120789">Pleasantville, that turned out to be something completely different than what one might expect after watching the pre-release press.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 05:05 PM
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24. Oh, Clooney again!
:) They were just moaning about his latest flick on CNN this morning. He's turning into a real boogeyman for the right, isn't he? Hee hee.
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 05:43 PM
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33. Syriana or the Murrow movie
Both of them are getting flack from the Reich. I'm also interested to see that he's working on a film now called "The Good German."
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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 05:07 PM
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25. "All Quiet on the Western Front"
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truizm Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 05:15 PM
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26. Citizen Kane
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 05:16 PM
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27. Fight Club
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 05:18 PM
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28. "King of Hearts"-a brilliant anti-war peice by Philippe de Broca....
it was Genevieve Bujold's film debut



This is a movie/parody of WWI set in a small town in France. Three soldiers are sent as an advance to evaluate conditions before the main force is sent. Hearing voices, the lead actor enter a building and finds a hospital floor full of patients. As he is proclaimed the King of Hearts, he realizes the place is an insane asylum and he flees, leaving the gate to the ward unlocked.

Following is a parody of inmates returning to the places and post they once occupied, or identified with. The movie revolves around this corporal (lead actor) attempting to save the townspeople from dying in this explosion of a German-set bomb. As they are all leaving the town, the people he wants to save stop at the edge of town and explain their refusal to leave by asking him where is it safer/crazier, at the asylum or out there, where man is killing man with bombs and bullets. They return to the asylum and the corporal disassembles the bomb and prevents the destruction of the town. In a military encounter before, British and German soldiers met in the center of the village and killed each other off, the futility of fighting wars exalted.

The British eventually take the town and the corporal is returned to the ranks. As the movie ends, you see the corporal walking down this street, shedding his rifle and backpack, then his cassock, shirt and pants, as he approaches the entrance gate to the asylum and goes in stark naked.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 07:01 PM
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37. This was a wonderful. It's been many years since I saw it. I'll check it
out again.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 07:34 PM
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44. I saw it in the 1970's, then rented it again a couple of years ago....
It is even stronger than I remembered. A truly great film that will leave you thinking, literally, for years.
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 10:59 PM
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64. A great movie, that.
Edited on Fri Nov-25-05 11:01 PM by CBHagman
I saw it in college and was completely blown away.

Here are some suggested titles for viewing and discussing. Note that a lot of the films of the '30s and '40s are every bit as timely today. And given a great script, cast, and director, they're also a lot of fun.

*State of the Union (Mentioned by another DUer, and I'll second it.)

*The Farmer's Daughter (Not what you think! :blush:)

*Duck Soup

*They Won't Forget

*Fury

*To Kill a Mockingbird

*Adam's Rib

On edit: How could I possibly forget The Ox-Bow Incident?

Notice how many Henry Fonda movies wind up on the liberal must-see list? The Ox-Bow Incident, The Grapes of Wrath, 12 Angry Men.


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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 11:20 PM
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67. I LOVE "The Farmer's Daughter".....Did you know that Loretta Young
won an Academy Award as Best Actress for that picture? It was excellent!
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 05:25 PM
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29. "The Handmaiden's Tale"
Edited on Fri Nov-25-05 05:33 PM by AZDemDist6
"Embedded" the stage play on DVD

"The Dollmaker"

"Mask" starring Cher not the one with Jim Carrey


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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 05:30 PM
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31. The Rainmaker.
Even tho I really don't like Travolta, it's pretty good.

Also, I consider Platoon and The Deer Hunter anti-war films.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 05:41 PM
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32. Slaughterhouse Five.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 06:00 PM
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34. It's a wonderful life
Except that everyone has seen it, and apparently too many do not get it. :banghead:

Then how about "The Iron Giant" or "Billy Jack"
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 06:05 PM
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35. I've seen It's A Wonderful Life
at least twenty times, and I end up a blubbering pile of tears every time. It got so bad that I had to take a hiatus from the film, but maybe I'll try it again this holiday season.:) It's anti-materialism message is very progressive to me.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:33 PM
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53. Deleted - Dupe
Edited on Fri Nov-25-05 09:34 PM by quiet.american
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 06:47 PM
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36. "Here's to my brother, George. The richest man in town!"
Edited on Fri Nov-25-05 06:48 PM by baldguy
Gets me every time.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 07:16 PM
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42. that's what makes me curious about "spoilers"
So far, that movie grabs my heart, even though I know full well how it is going to end. It is apparently impossible to spoil.
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:39 PM
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57. Some movies are like that, and I think this is one of them.
Knowing how it ends, you still want to watch anyway.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 01:09 AM
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72. how could people not get it?
or any other Capra film? :shrug:

Iron Giant is wonderful. One of my fave kid films.

any John Sayles film fits the bill, too.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 01:39 AM
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76. first of all, why do so many people think
it is a Clausmas movie?
It is not
1) there is no mention of Santa, or Jesus
2) Potter does not have a seasonal inspired change of heart
3) George does not do what he does for people because of Clausmas, or Santa
4) the town does not rush to help George because of the season or Santa
5) the angel's name is Clarence, not Nicholas

I am not sure why people do not get the rest of it, but George HW Bush likes the movie too, although it goes against everything he stands for, if he can be said to stand for anything except the career advancement of the Bush family. Bush actually did narration for an audio version of it maybe five years ago.

There are a couple things RWs might see in it. The Baileys are entrepreneurs after all. They help people without a government mandate or subsidy, and the people solve George's problem against the heartless government bureaucrat. Also, it involves prayer and angels, and nuclear families. But it boggles me that they cannot see Potter as a Republican archetype.

I am kinda ambivalent about Capra's other films. Mr. Smith and You can't take it with you did not excite me that much. Also, I read somewhere that Mr. Smith was an anti-FDR movie, directed against the Democratic machine.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 02:37 PM
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102. I think the simple populist message of people helping each
Edited on Sat Nov-26-05 02:38 PM by tigereye
other when all seems lost, of doing something good even if you get very little return, occurring as it does at Christmastime, is what people see and why this movie is seen as a classic Christmas film. Many Capra films seem to have this "populist" and perhaps overly romanticized slant. But that is what people seem to respond to.

And, some would see this as a very Christian ( in the best sense of the term) message, for what it's worth.

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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 07:07 PM
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38. Pleasentville
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 07:11 PM
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40. Starship Troopers
It's such a bang-on satire of the FOX Newsish fascist mentality that most people don't even recognize it as satire.
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PittPoliSci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 03:05 AM
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81. i remember watching it when i was young thinking...
"wow, what a senseless piece of shit. at least it's cool when the bugs explode."

then i watched it a year ago and was like "this movie is fucking brilliant." it's amazing what a few years and a little bit of maturity will do to a boy.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 07:13 PM
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41. Remind me to grab some of these titles for this page
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 07:18 PM
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43. Lots of good viewing!
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:04 PM
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46. Consider yourself reminded
:) I knew the DUers would come through with some great titles. I like the combination of oldies, more current films, classics and offbeat.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:24 PM
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52. Thanks :^)
:hi:
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 07:41 PM
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45. Downfall. I have recommended this film at other times on this site.
Edited on Fri Nov-25-05 07:41 PM by NNadir
Everyone who has seen it has come away impressed.

The movie is about Hitler's last days in the Bunker. The message that is most important is to see how an isolated ruler surrounded by sycophants becomes completely detached from reality.

The could have filmed in the 2005 White House.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 01:10 AM
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73. my son keeps asking me about Hitler and his last days
is that a kid appropriate film? He's nine.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 10:27 AM
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90. The film has war scenes, including the participation in war by children.
(This is historically accurate.)

I watched the film in German with English subtitles to help me with the German I didn't know. Bruno Ganz did a great deal with Hitler's mannerisms and language and it would probably cost a great deal of presence to watch the dubbed film.

It is difficult for me to answer for your son. One wants to encourage young minds to understand history - and this is no Hollywood sensationalized version to be sure, little is gratuitous or distorted. I am very familiar with those events and I think the portrayal is spot on. It depends, I guess on your feeling about your son's sophistication. That he is interested at all suggests that it would probably be OK. I would let my eleven year old watch it, but I do sit with him and explain the context of things and keep my hand on the remote for matters too intense. He did not see Downfall, since I only had it rented for one day, a school night, and I watched it after bedtime.

The rapes and out right murder that accompanied the Russian entry to Berlin are not shown, and this part of the historical record is played down on the film. This may represent the only inaccuracy. There are however, combat deaths, including the combat deaths of child soldiers, in one case including a little girl. Some adults are executed by the Nazis however, and the results of some hangings are shown.

Some people have complained that the film shows Hitler as less than monstrous because it contains many moments in which he displayed tenderness. That Hitler had such moments is also well known and historical. But again, the film raises important questions for discussion, questions about concealed intent, the capacity for denial, about the capacity for rationalization, about seeing through facades to the real nature of things. (These are important issues today.) The film is told largely through the eyes of Traudl Junge, Hitler's young secretary who was in her early twenties when she worked for and knew Hitler. There is a clip with the real Traudl Junge, then an old woman (she has since died), that is possibly most one of the moving things you will ever see on film, in which she confronts her internal horror.

I let both of my boys (11 and 6) watch scenes from "Das Boot" also in German, but I frequently paused the screen to explain what was going on and why war was wrong. Both of my boys are gentlemen and I do not believed that either was harmed in any way because of the way we watched excerpts of this film.

I hope this helps you to decide what to do in your son's case.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 02:41 PM
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103. thank you for the thoughtful response
maybe I will wait until he is a little older. I agree that it is important for kids to understand the complexity of these matters, and for them to understand that evil is not always one sided, and can be very insidious.

I like how you stop the films you show to your kids, and then explain the situation. :hi:
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corksean Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:27 PM
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48. Twelve Angry Men n/t
Edited on Fri Nov-25-05 08:27 PM by corksean
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Canadian Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:30 PM
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49. O' Lucky Man
an early '70s British movie starring a very delectable Malcolm Macdowell. Shows the oppression inherent in the system (thanks Monty Python). Very odd movie as well.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:42 PM
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50. Some foreign and classic films with a liberal message:
1. Edelweiss Pirates--about anti-Nazi youth in the last days of World War II. Even as the bombs are falling on their city, they harass the Nazis, hand out illegal documents, hide Jews and other "undesirables," ...and make fatal mistakes.

2. The Fringe Dwellers--a portrayal of racism in a non-American context, in this case, Australian Aborigines in a small country town. The situations in this movie will look familiar to anyone acquainted with African-American or Native American issues, everything from prejudiced white hicks to sad characters who have internalized the racial stereotypes.

3. Men with Guns-- Although this John Sayles film is a work of fiction taking place in an unnamed Central American country, every atrocity, every act or heroism or cowardice (except for the magical realism ending), actually took place somewhere during Reagan's war on the common people of Central America in the 1980s. The soundtrack is great, too.

4. The Official Story--After Argentina's "dirty war" against dissidents is over, a wealthy woman learns that her adopted daughter was taken from a political prisoner and that the child's grandmother is now suing for custody.

5. State of the Union--Not the recent film, but the one with Spencer Tracy and Katherine Hepburn as an estranged couple who are forced back together for the husband's political campaign. At first, you wlil be put off by the snide remarks about Democrats, but then you will realize that even though Tracy's character is supposed to be a Republican, his actual politics are farther to the left than any politician currently being talked about for 2008.

6. Where the Spirit Lives--Canadian film about two Blackfoot children who are kidnapped and sent to a repressive boarding school. After school officials lie and tell them that their parents are dead, the girl eventually resigns herself to assimilation and develops a friendship with one of the more enlightened teachers. But then she learns the truth...

7. In the Time of the Butterflies--Salma Hayek stars in this true story of a family who were active in the resistance against Dominican dictator Rafael Trujillo in the early 1960s, even though the family was "elite" enough to be invited to social occasions at the presidential palace. It vividly portrays the price that many have to pay to fight tyranny.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 11:54 AM
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98. Great list
Thanks!
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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 12:02 PM
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99. may I add one?
Rabbit Proof Fence -- Aussie film. Outstanding. Heartbreaking. Moving. Inspiring.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:34 PM
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54. Television -- Danger Man Episode --
"Whatever Happened to George Foster."

You could substitute the word "Iraq" and the name "Tony Blair" in this episode and play it just as it is these 40 years later.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:35 PM
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55. How about "Bulworth"?
Edited on Fri Nov-25-05 09:36 PM by terrya
The Warren Beatty film of a few years ago.
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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:38 PM
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56. The mouse that roared
eom
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:46 PM
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58. STAR WARS, all six of 'em :)
:applause: :woohoo: :applause:
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:48 PM
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59. The Fountainhead
:7
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:48 PM
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60. Koyaanisqatsi, Powaqaatsi, Naqoyqatsi
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:49 PM
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61. All Star Trek TOS movies
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recoveringdittohed Donating Member (463 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 10:00 PM
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62. Dave
A 1993 movie with a Liberal fictional President triumphing over the forces of the Right Wing. The guy playing Robert Novak is really believable. Oh wait, that was Robert Novak playing Robert Novak in a cameo appearance.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 02:03 AM
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80. That is DEFINITELY my pick!
Broad appeal for koolaid drinkers.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 10:11 PM
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63. Whale Rider
Sneakers

Never Cry Wolf

Star Trek IV :D

Robin Hood

Jurassic Park 1&2 (haven't seen the third one)

American History X

O Brother Where Art Thou?

Babe

Thelma and Louise

Do the Right Thing

and many, many others....



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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 11:08 PM
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65. Brazil
I saw this movie about 20 years ago and left the theater very angry. I thought it was supposed to be funny. It was dark and sinister. It had a surrealistic feel. But part of it seemed like it might foretell the future. The government was in perfect control of every aspect of life and was mistake-proof. A fly falls into a printer and creates an error. A man is taken out of his family home by force in front of his wife and children. The government was looking for a criminal who did freelance work on utilities. No one was to repair anything except authorized officials. There were clearly drawn lines between the ruling class and the common citizens. A son of the ruling class has these lucid dreams and meets the woman whom he knows from the dreams in real life. She is an urban gorilla, so to speak. This places him in conflict. There are terrorists who try to change the government with brutal bombings in public places. And the viewers sympathy is drawn to the ruling class. Yet in the end when the viewer finds out the means which the government extracts information your sympathies are twisted into a knot which has never stopped haunting me. BTW I still recommend it and if anyone ever sees it and wants to discuss it I'd love to. Hurry up and go rent it. libodem
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momophile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 11:10 PM
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66. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington
Excellent movie that I think Congress should have to watch.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 12:12 AM
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68. The Contender
Perfect performances by all three majors;
Joan Allen
Jeff Bridges and
Gary Oldman (playing a repuglican!)

Wonderful liberal and freethinking movie!
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Punkingal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 10:38 AM
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93. Yes!!!
I have seen that movie about 25 times. I love it!
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sleipnir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 12:21 AM
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69. "The Cradle Will Rock"
That's my vote!
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 01:12 AM
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75. wonderful film, great cast
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 01:57 AM
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78. YES!
That movie brings a tear to my eye every time I see it.

The end of idealism.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 12:29 AM
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70. Dr. Strangelove or Network
One of the best lines ever in films, "You cannot fight in the war room".
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 12:31 AM
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71. Ooh! Almost forgot about...
THEY LIVE!
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SW FL Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 01:10 AM
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74. Pleasantville
I missed it the first time around, but stayed up late to watch it on cable. Powerful messages about acceptance and suppression of new ideas.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 01:51 AM
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77. Plus it blows that "life was so wonderful in the B&W days" nonsense
clear out of the water. The wingnuts are always waxing nostalgic for the good old days, and holding up shows like Leave it to Beaver, Father Knows Best, My Three Sons and the like as examples of how idyllic life was back then. The reality is that life wasn't rosy back then--except in television shows.
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 01:58 AM
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79. They Live, Soylent Green, Silent Running.
What's with all the liberal Sci-Fi?!
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 03:31 AM
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82. 'Metropolis'
A 1927 silent film that depicts a society of two castes: the "thinkers" and the "workers." Much like today, the thinkers run everything but are unaware of what the workers go through every day. Tragedy unites them, however, and leads to the film's tagline: "The mediator between the head and hands must be the heart."

"Metropolis" is considered a masterpiece. I highly recommend it.
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nguoihue Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 05:06 AM
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83. Remember the Titans
with Denzil Washington
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southlandshari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 10:16 AM
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87. Excellent!
:thumbsup:
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 05:06 AM
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84. Billy Jack
Edited on Sat Nov-26-05 05:07 AM by DanCa
All the movies taught me about being a liberal. Note espicially the two sequels the trial of Billy Jack and Billy Jack goes to washington.
Tom Laughlin the star even hates Bush. Here's his website.
www.billyjack.com
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nguoihue Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 05:08 AM
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85. Trading Places
with Eddie Murphy from the early 80's
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 06:27 AM
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86. "Pay It Forward"
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southlandshari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 10:18 AM
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89. Recommended for the Greatest Page
So more folks can take note of this excellent list of excellent films!!

:hi:
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 11:49 AM
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96. Thanks
The hubby and I will be busy trying to watch these for months to come. Thanks for the great ideas, everyone.:) I'm sure that everyone can find plenty of films they haven't seen before.
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southlandshari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 12:03 PM
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101. De Nada - looks like you made it!
I was recommendation #2, so I'm glad others agreed and did the same!

:thumbsup:
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 10:32 AM
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91. If These Walls Could Talk.
I think everyone here should see this film, like, tomorrow. Especially those of you who mistakenly and cruelly think you have the high holy right to continue expressing judgment about women who've had to endure the ordeal that misogynist America makes of what should be the compassionate process that is ending pregnancy. I doubt many here who have not yet made themselves watch this film truly have the guts, though. Pity.
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 11:09 AM
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94. Dr. Seuss's Butter Battle Book
which they made into an animated short.

Of course, it was made during the cold war, but I think the message still applies.
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 11:46 AM
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95. Just out on DVD --- Peter Watkins' 1971 "Punishment Park"


"With the Vietnam war spiralling out of control and increasingly unpopular with the American public, President Nixon declares a state of national emergency and Federal authorities are given the power to detain persons judged to be a “risk to national security”.

In a desert region in California, a civilian tribunal passes penal sentences on groups of dissidents but offers the alternative of 3 days in ‘Punishment Park’. Peter Watkins’ film vividly imagines a world where political dissidents are hunted down by the forces of law and order in a deadly game of cat and mouse.

As relevant today as when initially released, Punishment Park is a stunningly visual political film with strong elements of thriller. In light of Guantanamo Bay, the Patriot Act and the recent polarisation of political viewpoints in the US, the film represents a hauntingly resonant vision for the contemporary viewer. It is a savage indictment of American political consciousness from one of the most underrated of British filmmakers."

http://www.punishmentpark.co.uk/

"Upon its U.S. premiere, Punishment Park was greeted by The New York Times as “wrong-headed” and “paranoid,” and Watkins as a “masochist.” Other publications labeled it “offensive,” “hysterical,” and “part of the problem.” Released in a Murray Hill cinema in Manhattan, the film was withdrawn from its release after only four days (possibly for fear of drawing fire from local or federal authorities). And so, Punishment Park, widely maligned and discredited, has remained all but unseen in the United States for the last thirty-five years."

http://www.notcoming.com/reviews.php?id=448

"You don't wanna hear my message. You spent fifty years evolving a propaganda system that'll take the truth and change it into what you wanna hear. You don't wanna hear shit that's gonna mean you might have to give up something. You don't want it. All you wanna do is sit on your fat, dividend-drawing ass and draw dividends."

Buy it here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0007UQ2BY
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CatBoreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 11:53 AM
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97. What about
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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 12:03 PM
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100. Catch 22
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 03:31 PM
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104. The Lorax
The cartoon version of Dr. Suess's book. The movie made me a liberal at the age of 4. Really, I am telling the truth.
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mikeargo Donating Member (279 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 04:33 PM
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107. Z
Check it out in the foreign film section at a DVD store. Dircted by Costa-Gavras ("Missing," among other left-leaning films), it is the thinly-fictionalized account of the murder of a Greek pacifist leader and the subsequent cover-up by the right-wing faction in the government. (It is in French, with subtitles)
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 05:36 PM
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108. Three Kings
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