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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:44 PM
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Pirogies
I'm fryin' up some of my home made pirogies.
The smell is driving me crazy, I can't wait much longer.

Anyone else make pirogies from scratch? I can't even eat the frozen store bought ones.

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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:45 PM
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1. What do you put in yours? I have never cooked any but
I just might!
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:48 PM
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2. Just potato and cheese
Fry em up with lots of onion, maybe a lil bacon
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:49 PM
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4. Mmm, sounds really good. I have had them in restaurants and
the frozen kind. I bet they are so much better homemade!
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 01:49 PM
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66. try farmer cheese...
delicious!!:9
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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:48 PM
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3. Never made them from scratch, but....
Edited on Tue Nov-15-05 03:51 PM by XNASA
I did live in the Polish neighborhood on the Chicago's North Side at one time and could go down to the corner for fresh made. Just had to take them home and cook 'em up.

I like the cheese & potato, or even the ones with kraut.

Do you eat yours with sour cream, or with apple sauce?
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:53 PM
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6. Sour cream
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:51 PM
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5. I've only made them from scratch once,
and that was years ago. A lot of work aren't they?

I do love them just the way you described - potato & cheese sauteed with onion... :9
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:53 PM
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7. Yeah, it's a lot of work
best to do a whole effing lot in one go... last time I think I made about 10 dozen at once
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 04:09 PM
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11. That's what we did as well.
My boyfriend's mom, the lady next door, and another friend all made a whole bunch of them and divided them up, had plenty in the freezer.

Sounds like a great idea now that the weather's getting cold. :D
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 04:13 PM
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17. You should make some more!
Edited on Tue Nov-15-05 04:14 PM by GirlinContempt
Have a perogi party
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miss_american_pie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:56 PM
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8. My gran would come back and haunt me
if I didn't make them from scratch.

Now I'm hungry.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 04:10 PM
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13. As well she should!
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:59 PM
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9. I have made them from scratch before. Years ago.
They are a part of my family's Christmas tradition (Slovak). We get them from the Bubas at the church now..lol. Well,.. my mother gets them. I forgot what a church looks like.

I favor the kraut ones w/ sour cream and a mess of fried onions.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 04:13 PM
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15. Here, you can buy
home made ones all over the place. The Polish & Ukrainian restaurants sell them by the dozen, either out of the shop or to grocery stores.
Those are acceptable for me to eat ;)
And just about everyone has a Baba or a co-worker that picks up extra cash selling perogies.
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 04:26 PM
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20. There is a lot here also
Parma is a city outside of Cleveland proper that is probably 90% Slovak/Polish. In fact the time I saw Bill Clinton when he first ran he stopped at a place called Parma Pirogies. His bus was right out front and after speaking, he went there to eat. When he would come back to the area he would always stop in. The place is gone now.
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:59 PM
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10. Fast food restaurants in Hawaii sell them with fried squid and
"2 scoop rice". A local favorite, reflecting the diverse cultures of the immigrants to the islands.

no joke! They do a lot with Spam, too.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 04:10 PM
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12. Wow thats pretty crazy
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 04:12 PM
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14. Looks nice!
:9 :hi:
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 04:14 PM
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19. Thats just stock perogi footage
Doesn't look nearly as good as mine ;)
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In_The_Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 04:13 PM
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16. They look great! I love them but I've never made them from scratch.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 04:14 PM
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18. You should
its soooooo much better ;)
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 05:40 PM
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23. Are you also Polish or Russian, Joan? I never thought so.
My Polish grandmother made pirogies, my favorite thing she ever made. I just wish I'd had an interest in cooking while she was still alive, since she was a wonderful cook. She made all kinds of great meals from scratch. My mother, on the other hand, actually seems to prefer frozen dinners.*sigh*:-(
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In_The_Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 09:42 PM
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37. My linage is mixed. Very mixed!
My Dad admitted to having Scottish, Irish, Dutch, German and English ancestors. I must have some Polish blood in me somewhere because I do love all their ethnic food. When I lived down near New York I would pop over to Perth Amboy for store made Kielbasi and smoked pork chops.

Your grandmother sounds like a wonderful woman. :hug:

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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 02:41 PM
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51. Yikes! That is a mixed bag, LOL!
My Dad was mostly Irish, but my mother is actually Polish, though she never learned how to cook like her mother did, unfortunately. There's a Polish restaurant in LG, run by a Polish doctor, who sends the proceeds back to Poland to purchase badly needed medical equipment. Apparently there's a high incidence of breast cancer in Poland. He's a really nice guy and I just ran into him the other day. And this sounds like your kind of place! Maybe we could someday arrange a meet-up!:D

And my Babci was pretty amazing, though I never realized it as a kid. Not only was she a wonderful cook, but she totally pissed my father off by casting her first vote as a US citizen for LBJ, LOL!:rofl:

Rhiannon:hi::hug:
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tonkatoy57 Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 04:32 PM
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21. I love pirogies
My whole family loves pirogies. Not bad for a redneck from North Carolina and a farm girl from Iowa.

I first had the Russian version, I believe they were called pelmeni. Same idea, just a different name. Now every time I meet someone from Chicago I have to ask, "say,you wouldn't happen to be Polish or Slovak or Ukrainian would you"?

A friend of my son's mother is Ukrainian from Chicago and after a couple of years of buttering her up she broke down and made some for me. Yum. I like the potato and cheese best, but the sauerkraut weren't bad. I like them with onions and green, red, and yellow bell peppers sauteed in a little olive oil, paprika, garlic, and a dash of caraway seeds. Oh, and don't forget the kielbasa sausage and a cold Golden Pheasant or Budvar beer.

Pirogies have been my son's favorite food since he was about five. During the winter we have them every week, and yes we do eat the frozen ones from the grocery store.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 05:36 PM
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22. Those look wonderful! Wish I could make them!
My Polish grandmother made wonderful ones, but my mother never learned and my Babci's been gone for a long time, now. I wish so much that I'd learned how to make them. And I agree about the store-bought kind; they just don't measure up. But my Babci made them with kapusta, not potato. From what I understand, kapusta (sauerkraut) is Polish, and potato (which I can say in Polish, but not spell) are Russian. There's a great Polish restaurant around here where I've had them (they offer different varieties), but I wish that I knew how to make them, myself.*sigh*:shrug:
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 07:54 PM
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34. It's pretty easy to learn
most of it is trial and error. Great perogi makers are made, not born, usually. Except for me :P haha
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 08:39 PM
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35. My mother never learned, but my aunt did, from her Russian mother-in-law.
They all get together and make a whole lot of them and did that once at my mother's house, but that was ages ago. My aunt had a couple of strokes in the '90s, so doesn't do this anymore, but her family still does. Wish I could get in on it, but they're halfway across the country. And my own mother doesn't cook. I guess I could try. My memory is of my Babci working on a metal table, covered with flour, and slamming things around. They were so good! I just wish I could have learned this, and so many other great things, from her.:-(
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 05:45 PM
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24. I can only make the store brand
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 05:48 PM
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25. I only make them from scratch
:-). I make four kinds. Potatoes and cheese, lekvar (prune butter), dried cottage cheese, and fried sauerkraut. Saute a lot of onions in butter, boil the pirohi and when done, pour the onions and butter over.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 05:53 PM
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26. My Babci made the sauerkraut kind, but I remember lekvar.
She made these very thin crepes (which I can say in Polish, but not spell) and use different fillings. This was when I was a kid, and my favorite was the lekvar. I know that my mother has a very old jar of it, still in her cupboard. I wish I'd learned to make those, as well. So many recipes lost.*sigh*:-(
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 08:34 AM
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50. In Slovak, we call those crepes "palachinka" and I am sure
I haven't spelled it right :-). Every time I make a recipe from my Babas I smile.

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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 03:08 PM
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55. My Polish grandfather also spoke Slovak. I know the languages are similar.
That's not what we called those crepes, but I'm sure that they're the same thing. My Babci not only made those, and pirogies from scratch, but she also baked and made amazing soups. I just wish that I had an interest in cooking while she was still alive to teach me, but she died the year I got out of school and I was away for six years... You're very fortunate to have inherited such a wonderful skill.:hi:
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steely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 08:22 PM
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58. Mrs. S and her mom make them.
They used to do prune, now just potato, cheese, and sauerkraut.
They'll use fatback to cook'em, and a bunch get frozen for later, and they're usually only made around the holidays.

Gotta ask - what is lekvar?
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 12:53 PM
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63. I'm not sure if you're referring to the pirogies or the crepes.
The traditional filling for pirogies are potato and cheese, potato and onion, or sauerkraut, sometimes with mushrooms. The Polish crepes (which I can pronounce, but not spell), we used to spread with lekvar. It's a traditional Polish prune butter/jam. My mother has a 20-year-old jar of it in her cupboard, but I know you can still get it in stores. And you're very lucky that Mrs. S and her Mom still make these from scratch. Since my Babci has been gone, I haven't had them...:-(

And my Babci used fatback, as well, and fried the sauerkraut kind with this and onions. I can pronounce the Polish word for fatback, but can't spell that, either... Sour cream is also good.:9
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steely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 10:41 PM
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71. I was writing about 'rogies.
Mrs. S knows lekvar, said her mom uses it in babka (I can't spell either). She wasn't too sure about the lekvar in pirogies, but said her mom used some sort of prune stuffing inside of them (pirogies).

I can't do sour cream (taste), but they love it. I recall shrooms in gravy as a sauce.

Now I'm hungry again :-)
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 05:57 PM
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27. I married the wrong woman!!!!
Fuck!

:scared:
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 07:34 PM
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30. I also:
Bake
make soaps and shampoos
make jam
cook huge thai dinners
and on and on...

However, you can have two, just as long as I get to sleep on her side of the bed ;)
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 07:48 PM
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31. Done and done
When do you move in?
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 07:53 PM
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33. When can you come
pick me up? :P
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Beware the Beast Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 02:31 AM
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45. Wow. The power trio seems to be the in thing these days.
:hi:
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 08:02 AM
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49. Yeah - Cream indeed
Edited on Wed Nov-16-05 08:02 AM by ChavezSpeakstheTruth
:evilgrin:



Redstone
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 09:46 PM
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38. Hell! I'll marry you! And I'm female, not a lesbian, nor a big fan of
marriage! But you make a case that I just can't refuse! Yikes! And pirogies, besides!:D
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 09:49 PM
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39. Wowzah
2 in one thread :blush:
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 10:23 PM
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40. You make pirogies! What did you expect?! I guess I'll just get in line...
:D
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 01:17 AM
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41. haha
not much of a line ;)
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 03:03 PM
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54. Once the word gets out that you make pierogies from scratch,
The line will rival the one for Lenin's tomb! LOL!:9
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 07:14 PM
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56. That is so funny
on so many levels.
Trust me ;)
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 12:44 PM
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60. Hey, I wasn't the first one to make an offer, LOL!
And I'm sure that more will be forthcoming, once the word gets out. Homemade pirogies are rare, these days. And if you are referring to the line waiting to view Lenin, I've stood in it and it's interminable. I've heard that it's possible to view it from satellite photos...:shrug:
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TheProphetess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 07:16 PM
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28. Pierogies are my favorite food
But I have never made them from scratch. During Lent, lots of small churches in the area sell them but otherwise I am forced to eat the frozen (sigh).

Are you willing to share your recipe? I'd love to have a good recipe and make a big batch. I'm drooling just thinking about it!
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 07:52 PM
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32. Sure - I'll try to remember it
Its something like.... 2-3 cups of flour, I usually sift it... a couple of spoonfuls of sour cream, salt, a large egg, 1/4-1/2 cup warm water...
Just mix all that together & knead the dough gently. You don't want the dough to be super smooth. Let it stand for about an hour, then roll it out very thin, as thin as you can possibly get it. You'll need to flour the rolling pin and surface pretty well cause the dough is (and should be) sticky.

Filling is just a whack of boiled, mashed potatoes, but don't add milk or butter. I usually use very thin skinned potatoes and scrub them really well but leave some skin on. Lots and lots of grated cheese. mix it all together, salt & pepper it.

So then to actually put them together, boil up a big ol pot of water, and start cutting circles out of the dough. they should be about 4 inches across. Add filling, and wet one edge of the dough with some warm water. Fold dough over and crimp the edges, making sure no filling is in the way. It's best to pull the non-wet edge over the wet one and then press it down.

Boil them for about 10 mins. If you wanna freeze them, coat them with melted butter before putting them in the freezer so they don't get stuck together.

Sorry its not a great recipe. I do it out of my head & by instinct
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TheProphetess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 09:01 PM
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59. No, that's great! Thanks for sharing it
I may get up the courage at some point and give it a try.
:hi:
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 07:18 PM
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29. I have only ever had the store ones. I bet yours are YUM!
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 08:59 PM
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36. Good Stuff....
Now add some fresh kielbasa and sauerkraut and you got yourself a meal fit for a Polish Princess....
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Canadian Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 01:22 AM
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42. You need more cheese.
and onions and bacon. and lots and lots of the sour cream. But, definitely, more cheese. And they are spelled "pyrogies" in Canada.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 01:24 AM
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43. Uhm
in canada they're spelled like, 4 different ways dude.
The cheese is INSIDE
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u4ic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 01:37 AM
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44. I haven't made them in awhile
but now I've got inspiration!

I like'em fried, and topped with melted butter (mind you, the onions are in the filling). I know people who preferred them only boiled. :puke:
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Beware the Beast Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 02:31 AM
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46. Unnnggghhh...
:9 Those look good!
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njdemocrat106 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 02:53 AM
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47. I buy them from a Polish deli near me
They sell all different kinds, from potato, potato & cheese, cheese, prune, sauerkraut, and even pizza (very similar to ravioli. I guess since about 1 in every 2 people in my town is of Italian ancestry, they have to cater to them :) ). I'm half Polish, and I grew up on pirogi and kielbasa.
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samplegirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 03:08 AM
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48. OMG
Those look so delicious! I love homemade peroghi's.
I havent made them in a long while. I have made
them from scratch though, store bought can not
compare.
You did a great job I know they take time. Yours
look beautiful as well.
:hi:
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 02:49 PM
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52. I made them homemade once
it looked like Betty Crocker and Martha Stewart had a war in my kitchen.

good stuff though
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Allenberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 02:53 PM
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53. Proud Pittsburgher here...my mom is an awesome pierogi maker
My mom's half of the family is entirely Polish. Then again, I'm from and live in the American Warsaw, Pittsburgh. :D

Pierogies are always being sold by the churches here for lent...and they're all so so awesome.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 08:00 PM
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57. Look like pot stickers
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Beer Snob-50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 12:45 PM
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61. i am making them
this weekend for the holidays! 150 cabbaage ones only! are those yours in the picture? they look awesome.
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ImpeachBush Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 12:51 PM
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62. There used to be a restaurant in Cleveland, on the west side ....
The Gray Wolf, I think it was. They had WONDERFUL pierogies. Someone told me that nuns in a nearby church made them from scratch and sold them to this restaurant (in their pre-cooked state). I don't know if the story was true, but they were GREAT tasting. I like them all - cheese, potato, sauerkraut - all flavors.

I have made them from scratch twice - I never did the dough from scratch though. I bought some of those packages of egg-roll dough pieces - pre-pressed and cut - it worked well and tasted fine.

I like my pierogies with lots and lots of melted butter and sauteed onions!!!
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WeRQ4U Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 01:11 PM
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64. My wife's 92 year old Grandmother from the Ukraine makes Pyrohy
It's pronounced "Pitt-ah-hey-ya". They are the same thing, however. I LOVE them. I don't like the saurkraut ones though. Potato, bacon, onion... Wow, now I'm hungry.
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u4ic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 03:03 PM
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68. That's close to the way we pronounce them
petto-heh. I think that spelling is pirohi.

My background is Ukrainian.
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WeRQ4U Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 03:06 PM
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70. Actually, the Ukraine's way of spelling and pronouncing is correct...
I think "perogie" is actually an american-canadian derivation. Don't quote me on that though.
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miss_american_pie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 03:05 PM
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69. In Slovak it's pirohy
but I can't quite get the accent right. I did, however, manage to learn the accented pronunciation of "Jesus, Mary, and Joseph."

Gran would be so proud.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 01:13 PM
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65. I haven't had pierogis since my grandma died
:cry:

I so loved them, especially the cheese and potato ones. My mom and hewr made them from scratch, and also stuffed them with plums and kraut.

No polish in my family, but the Germans make them too I guess...

RL
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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 02:43 PM
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67. I live in a great Polish neighborhood.
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